HEY COMMAND 310!!

[scpd patrol]

read sicks ten page 4. This may apply to some of you.
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[scpd patrol]

start sicks ten from page 1. sound a bit familiar?
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[=]

Is it true a certain female rookie was taken aside and spoken to about writing 50-60 a month? I heard she then went to the Lieutenant and complained that people in the squad asked her to slow down. Also heard about a male rookie in the same zone doing the same thing. Is it true the Lieutenant helps another female rookie PO find warrant arrests? If all its true I don't know who is more pathetic the Lieutenant or the PO's.

[scpd patrol]

Yes, she was spoken to by her squadmates. Then she went to the Lt. with tears in her eyes. As for the other rookie (male) he has had words with other PO's in his zone. One PO was going to settle things the old fashioned way (this PO was also a rookie) but only a yelling match ensued. The Lt., from what I know, banned this PO from that zone. Funny because when the "banned" PO requested to go to another squad, the Lt. squashed it.
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[culloden1745]

listen,any rookie, despite all the promises made to you, there are way more pos ahead of you. you are a rookie,relax, have fun.do what you have to, but dont let anyone pressure you into "cope" #. learn how to be a cop 1st. or learn how to be scpd if you have 15 years in the city. talk to the people w/ 8+ yrs on and hear how they were told the same stuff, and how they are still in patrol. quick point,remember couple months ago when the hi-way guy made c.c. from the oakdale thing? thats a freak occurence, 1 week earlier in the 6th a guy working the heights grabbed a perp, leaving the scene of a stabbing, threw him in the car, w/ about 8 hostiles around pulled up to the house, at this point he was alone there for 2-3 minutes, then went into the house did 1st aide on the victim until she died. what did he get? nothing he is still a spare body. this guys got like 2 years, the hiway guys a little over 5. not to take anything away from the hi-way guy,but who did more? its all politics, oakdale was a nice publicity thing, no one cares about a crackhead in gordon heights.
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[money fo nothing]

thats why there are so many burnt out disgruntled people on this job. if you are vunerable to their b/s they will ride you into oblivion. then when they are promoted the minions have to starting sucking up all over. teach these kids the old fashion way let them go on afew 10-85s alone. thats if they even are 27. as far as rookie in the heights(just over a year,i was in academy w/ him) something like that will pay off down the road, the dics in homicide will remember him he gave them a ground ball

[ThreeTen]

Unfortunately they aren't 27 because all you hear on the radio now from rookies is "Headquarters hold me 28 on a car stop." Then when a call comes over in their sector someone else has to handle. What are they teaching in the academy these days?
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[money fo nothing]

exactly, teach them the old way. hold your calls, dont 38, dont back them up, when pulled off something take your time, if they wont listen to you, learn them the hard way. last 2 classes seemed good, maybe its just because they were marginal candidates

[birdie]

I've seen plenty of rookies in my time. They all come around, maybe except for the last two posters. Give them a break. Everyone knows the "job" is learned by doing, not from classroom lectures. The kind of idiotic garbage you are spewing will only get someone hurt. Have some patience and maybe try to share your "wealth of knowledge" with them. Or find some one else to help them because it sounds like you didn't learn anything in your three or four years in the street.
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[Speakeasy]

I THINK THE ROOKIES ARE DOING GREAT IN MY PCT, THEY ARE STEPPING UP BIG TIME. THEY WATCHIN THE BOARD AND OFFERING UP TO PICK UP SOME CALLS, THIER IS NOTHING BETTER TO HEAR THAN "HQ 38 ON SO AND SO SEND OVER SUCH AND SUCH", JUST ONE THING I CANT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THEY PUT A PPO WITH A SLUG WHO IS SHOWING HER NOTHING BUT HOW NOT TO PUSH THIER SECTOR. DROP CALLS ALL DAY LONG TO YOUR NEIGHBORING SECTOR OPERATOR, TAKE AT 1 HR ON EACH CALL NO MATTER HOW MUNDANE IT IS, ITS JUST NOT RIGHT, BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR HE GOT HOOKED HERE , SO AS USUAL NO ONE GOT BALLS TO SAY SOMETHING TO HIS FACE. OH WELL I VENTED BUT ROOKIES KEEP UP GOOD WORK AN DTO THE ONES STUCK WITH SLUGS, WHEN YOUR ON YOUR OWN DONT DO WHAT THEY DO, PICK UP CALLS GET THE WORK DONE AN DIT WILL BE EASIER ON EVERYBODY BE SAFE

[money fo nothin]

i have no problem w/ the rookies that are doing street patrol, i am there for them, but if you look up a few posts you have ppos writing 60+ a month, taking collars from lts? if you have been around in patrol that long you'll know what the deal is. then if some of your squad people come to talk to you and you blow them off? again, this is not learning patrol,are these guys/gals going to be at step 2 and still unable to do a domestic form correctly? as far as hanging them out, i've been hung out a few times by "arrest them all, let the courts figure it out" mentality.if they won't listen to reason they are going to get someone (1 of us) hurt.this is about judgement, knowing when you should not go 32 because of the way the nights going,etc

[scpd patrol]

I see a couple of parts to this problem.

First, the training the rookies are getting centers on summonses and arrests. Call handling, for some FTOs is non-existant. Patrol is not covered by some FTOs. Stats and more stats is being shown. Rookies are being short-changed big time. Enforcement is a part of the job, but not the be all and end all. The rookies, some of them, then believe that THIS is what you're supposed to do all tour. Go 32, go 28 v/t, let the other guy pick up calls, etc.

Second, supervision. Stats are HIGHLY PUSHED in the 3rd. Movement recently has seen guys with 2 years on the job go places. STATS is the reason. I have no animosity toward these guys, they are good people and happened to be in the right place at the right time. Supervisors rarley listen up to hear who's handling who's call in who's sector. They rarely kick out guys that like to hang out all day 32 in the pct. This has been noticed by the other POs but they don't whine and cry to the bosses. I must also note that I recently spoke with a sgt. who did note some of these things and did get on some POs. He is an exception to the rule!

What else have I left out? I know I don't have all the answers
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[hammer]

10-4. birdie, read the prior posts, this isnt about the kids taking45 minutes on a simple 2 car 10/10. those are the ones you don't mind helping. we were all there at 1 point or another.this is about the kids hanging around the bosses, falling into that "i wanna be cope in3 cc in5" mentality. checking warrants ontheir meal 5 sectors away fromwhere they belong because thier boss had some info on someone. im sure the guys posting here have tried to reason w/ these kids, the fact that they are not getting thru and its probably 1 or 2, and still having problems tells you something. when i was new if someone told me something i took it as gospel.these few kids are looking to move as fast as they can, + the fact that they have some number-hungry boss telling them how great they are, only makes things worse. the bosses know what they're doing they get the insecure, i need a father figure types and convince them that they are their friends and we are their enemies. right there you know there is a problem, you are going to listen to 35 or 41 over the guy whose got your back? i know this i was in that position myself 8 years ago, luckily i listened to my coworkes +realized what my priority is. that WE go home at the end of the tour, unless we get some o/t of course

[sector car operator]

period. if someone has to cover your sector for an extended period of time you should feel like crap. things happen,dwi-10s, vop domestics, shoplifters, but when you are new you should concentrate on working your sector.instead of 30 summons or 2 dwis a month shoot for 100 c.c.s that is an excellent goal. it is true some young pos that feel like they are "taken under the wing" of a boss, + misled wont listen to just another po. here is a good point.my friend works in the 6th. they had 2 "enforcemnent cars" 24,25. it was like a promotion from patrol, a mini step to cope, well these pos were promised the world and they wrote+ 32 their buts off. some hit triple digit utts. yes when a opening came up in cope they were considered + some went. but when the current admin came in, and bosses had to cut o/t guess who became relief drivers? thats right people who have worked theeir butts off, thinking that if they do as told, they'llsee the promised land .

[birdie]

These guys have been off field training for what, two weeks? Who in the world do you expect them to listen to? You, or the people who are doing their evaluations? Boy, how soon we all forget. Training of rookies has always been a problem and always will be. Like I said before, we learn this job by doing it. No amount of classroom time will be sufficient. It takes time to learn the nuances of this job. Twelve weeks of field training barely gets their feet wet. Especially if they are trained by an incompetent (a whole other discussion). Some people will never get it, no matter how much time they are given. They are not unique to this group. However the vast majority settle in. To make an irresponsible statement about not backing them up is just plain stupid. There is no backing away from that kind of statement, unless you just say you were wrong. Have some patience, give them some time and they will come around. This group is no different than any other group, including the groups all of you came from. Belive it or not the same things are said every time a new class graduates. It is also the same people saying these things. The "experienced" cops, with 2-4 years under their belts. Spend some more time learning the job yourself. Maybe go to an investigative unit, or get promoted. Then your opinions might have some merit. The bottom line is these guys want to do a good job and be accepted by their peers. They have no choice but to listen to their supervisors, something everyone should do anyway.

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[money fo nothin]

how many of have prior time? more than 1/2 do
icame out a class ago w/ almost 10 years on city. i was not in patrol when i got left. in the academy they stressed the points brought up in prior posts. handling your sector, backing up ur brothers, the pressure from the bosses. listen to the bosses but dont do as they say. if they ask for 60 write 30. are they gonna fail you on probation,? c'mon you really have to screw up for that. if they ask for 60 and u give them 60, next is 70,80,90. as far as not backing them, if you approach them, tell them what they need to do to work in your squad, and they are not listening,then they are not backing you, when they are v/t or dwi, we've had guys not answer up because of this when 1 of us are in something hairy. anyway what am i backing them on anyway if they are 32 or v/t all the time like 310 is saying. again we are not having that problem where i work. but there are solutions.

[birdie]

"Listen to your bosses but don't do as they say". I never heard anyone inthe academy say that. If they did they should be fired. Nobody is asking for 60 summonses. There is nothing you can say that will make me believe you. Yes you really have to screw up to get fired, but the new guys don't really know that. Help them when you can and have some patience, they will come around. By the way, I don't know where you work but I hope it's not my zone. "Don't back them up, don't 38 your calls, take your time on your assignments". You sound like a nightmare. Why don't you take your lousy attitude and go back to the city. Sounds like we have plenty of rookies who can run rings around you. You're supposed to do V&T work and you're supposed to do DWI's and you're supposed to go 32. THAT'S YOUR JOB!
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[simonsez]

Jesus h Christ!!!!!! What a bunch of whining girls...do you guys wear skirts to work?? This job is not to hard.....for 100,000 bucks...suck it up ladies ,some guys like to work, some don't...worry about yourselves...not some guy "he's hanging in the pct to long,whahhhh".What boss has ever told anybody to write 60? ....Go tell your tales of woe to the guy riding in East NY...see what he has to say... I guess the old saying is true....The bigger the Tit,the bigger the baby....

[money fo nothin]

ok based on your stance,and how personal you're taking it. i m guessing you re either a boss or a new guy.#1 our job isnt to write paper,or go32 it's to make sure everyone goes home.2nd the same way bosses dont give you a number but talk about your activity, is the same way activity is discussed in the academy.as far as holding calls, that isnt something i do, but under the circumstance, where i have a person as described, not p/up there own calls, not because of volume of calls but because of the fact that they are NEVER in service because they went 32 w/ a jaywalker etc. 3rd this is a sugestion passed to me by the guys/gals with the #3000 tins. i never did anything like that in the city, nor am i gonna defend myself, i could make up any stat i want. i handle my sector,back my neighbors,+ when called for v/t, 32

[birdie]

You get PAID to handle your calls, do V&T work, do DWI's and go 32. Going home safe every night is our goal, but it's not what we're paid to do. These guys have been on their own for TWO WEEKS. For crying out loud stop whining. As I said before they will settle in. I've NEVER heard anyone go 32 with a jaywalker, so stop exagerating. Are you telling me you should do nothing when you see a violation of the VTL, or PL because you need to stay in service to handle that barking dog call? Give me a break. Maybe if more V&T work was being done our roads wouldn't be the battle zone that they have become. The barking dog can wait. There is nothing to stop you from breaking away from a V&T stop to handle something serious. As far as DWI's go, the fewer on the road the better. Lock them up whenever you find them. I will concede the point that there is no need to run 45's on a busy Friday or Saturday night. I agree 100%. The new guys will learn this, just give them a chance. We gave you one.
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these guys are straight out of scpd academy? they should listen to the guys around them, if not there is a problem. i wouild not go to the extreme of ignoring a rookie yet.call a squad meeting, let the mavericks know that there r problems between them and the squad, they arenot pulling their weight + there will be consequences. again only if the problem is them being hammers not them being slow, the slow guys (like me) u wanna help. money, i think heard some stuff fromsome vets and took it to the extreme. i dont think by the way a cop that puts his calls and sector neighbors 1st over stats is all that bad

[ThreeTen]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, the people I was talking about have 2-4 years on already. I wasn't talking about the new guys, I know they need time and am willing to forgive them for almost anything.
Birdie, I don't need you to tell me what my job is and how to do it. I am quite capable. I don't think someone needs to go 28 on a V&T and then not handle a call in their sector. I also don't believe in holding on to a call to look for warrants which is what is going on with these guys. They are holding alarms for as long as 90 mins! Where are the bosses?
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[ThreeTen]

What the hell does the paycheck have to do with anything? Does that mean I have to shut up and eat S##T? It certainly doesn't. I won't let anyone walk all over me for any reason. This job can be good if everyone pulled their weight in the street and picked up calls in their sector instead of being 32 in the pct eating lunch or holding calls to look for a 32 because it was too busy and they didn't want to answer calls. I had some idiot rookie tell me that on a busy 4x12. "It's sooo busy out I'm going 32." I wanted to reach out and smack him as I was the ajoining sector.
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[310]

yeah, i bet they've been coddled from the start no one did anything because they did nt want to make a big deal, now its too late.again 60 utt a month, how are they on field reports? thats if you're not writing it for them . by the way it is our primary job to be safe and to keep each other safe. before we keep the public safe, before we 32, or anything else. that is why it is a 10-1. that is why whenyou are working in the 5th and you get an emergency key-up in the 1st. ON A CALL not 28 at the pct etc, you ask if 125 or whatever is controlled. dont let anyone tell you different, you do not enter a dangerous situation unless you have back-up, that is why you never enter enclosed places w/ possible toxic air, that is why you trade yourself up for a hostage , make a scene safge to work etc.

[money fo nothin]

i meant never trade for a hostage.

[agreed 310]

What a bunch of whining crybabies. Did your mother have any MALE children?

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[ThreeTen]

You are world class jackass! Are you some pant waste in the puzzle palace or a house mouse somewhere? If you are such a man type up your name and command a let's have at it! Then again everything must be on the level because we get paid so great and you got yours, right? Or are you one of the rookies trying soooo hard to get to COPE that you hold your calls or don't bother to respond to them and then everyone else has to pick up the slack? Do tell I'd like to hear from where your stupidity comes from.
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[money fo nothing]

out of the loop, i'm guessing somewhere in h/q if not liasion,maybe hes background investigator hoping we keep our # up so he can stay in his orifice where its safe. does the public know when there is no one to investigate they're supposed to be in patrol? never saw 1 yet

[ten four]

then they wonder why we are slowing down




how does 7 a month sound birdie, are u gonna make me a relief driver? ok how about 5 and 28 personal 10 minutes every hour,

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[birdie]

you found me out. listen cant things go back the way they were? i need better #s from all of you! if you could just pickit up a bit, everything will be fine for you, listen i got info on this guy w/ 7 warrants so....dont tell anyone you can have them all. yeah hes 7'0 320 lbs but he only resists arrest a little. dont tell anyone yeah you may get hurt so what thats what your paid for, oh yeah the guy you wrote 511, 512 next time 32 him for the 511, and write him340x2 for not turning in his plate, license,( but dont take either so you can write him tomorrow) also check his equip better you only wrote 6x 375 you should have written 12. whats that you are going to a squad meeting to discuss problems/ what problems can you have didnt the retro check come in, you are the bomb, you make 100,000, hey petey suckass isnt goingto that meeting he sandbagging his favorite bar, imgoing to give him this stuff.... how about a checkpoint? i swear the next promotion you're in cope, just try picking it up i know that sherri asslick is writing 75 so you gotta keep up w/her, you are still going w/ those crybabies, hey they aint half the copp you are , dont waste your time w/ those losers...you're going places kid...now go kick some ass... c'mon another year of this i'm gonna be sgt of c.c. if you dont do it i'llget that ppo ...hey rook c'mere... i've been watching you, i think i can help u see this guy hes staying over here hes got 7 warrants......
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[birdie]

Well, you answered my question. A bunch of overpaid do nothing primadonnas. Put on your skirts and eyeshadow. Maybe you'll find a husband on this job if you're lucky. Keep whining and keep crying. Maybe your mommy will buy you a new toy.
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[money]

how when we see thru your b/s we are useless to u right. i + 310 probably have the respect of every sector car operator out there.but because we dont by into the b/s u do. therefore we r useless to u. what is wrong w/"pushing a sector car" for 20?as if thats bad is it because the people who dont want to be cope(yes i know what each letter stands for) cant be manipulated into making you famous? oh well, again now we r overpaid, women, whatever, so i don't inflate my stats by drawing a 2nd cc on 2 charge.i dont respect u, sell out

[ThreeTen]

I always handle my sector. I back the adjoining sectors when needed, I write V&T when needed and even collar when needed. I rarely have to go back twice to a call. So I know my job very well. I don't think we get paid to get hurt. I want to get back to my wife and child in one piece despite the hero complex of the guys/girls gunning for COPE. Just pick up your damn calls and stop the nonsense and everything will be fine!
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[city guy]

it seems that bosses out here get carried away with their #s. they seem to want more+, so they get to where they want to go faster, of course the street cop who wants to go somewhere goes along with the plan. now u get a guy who is content with patrol, maybe he is from the city, thinks cope is crap,(it is) and is very happy to do patrol for 20. it is busy out here, but not as violent for the most part. now when the 38 or 41 gives their little go get them speech,it falls on deaf ears. a guy that works a car for 20 is a slug, listen to the term, push a sector car.now the boss has no choice, he has to put you down,overpaid, lazy,salty, as if a guy who does 20 on the street is lazy, handling 100+ calls a month. that is the backbone of scpd. without sector car operators, there would be no cope,k9 or anything else.
i think birdie is p.off because in the prior posts alot of inside info is being talked about(ex. being the investigators) i think its funny all the posts that still are operated by p.o. instead of civilians, get rid of some, put these guys with 20 backon the streets see how fast they retire

[Vampire]

can the academy instill on rookies that Friday and Saturday nights are not th time for b/s arrests? If you come to us for o/t, don't screw us with a warrant pick-up, then spend four hours in the house because you're clueless to midnight protocal.

[hey sgt]

Hey SCPD Patrol, are you the guy I was comparing rings with the other night?
I'm new to the board and read all the posts at Sicks Ten and here. I have to say that ThreeTen and some of the other guys are right on the money. Some people are having a tough time getting it or just don't want to play nice. Sort of like F#$k them I want COPE and I don't care who I have to step on or piss on to get it.
Anyway, just relax and remember it comes every two weeks like clock work and sometimes more. If you don't want to write, don't, no one can tell you to or they would put it in writing. Back your brothers up, answer your calls, remember the team and everyone signs the return role call.(City guys know what I'm talking about.)
And Birdie, you are a jackass or is that JaggOff?

[scpd patrol]

It's my understanding that our brass is going to employ "Comstat" as the NYPD did. I believe that there will be a huge push for more and more numbers (tickets/arrests for usually summonsable offenses). Anyone out there able to describe what it's like to work under Comstat? I'm all for taking enforcement action reasonably, but I think that this future numbers push will be detrimental to the SCPD.

I understand that NYPD sent vanloads of POs (mostly rookies) out on the streets to blanket areas with summonses. Tracer units, I think they were called. These POs gained virtually no patrol experience and were basically robots with black ball point pens. We have several of these former NYPD tracer guys in my precinct and the lack of patrol experience shows big time. They still have a "write 'em all" attitude and appear to exercise little discretion.

Nice ring J.D. and Congrats!!
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[birdie]

"Don't back them up, don't 38 your calls, take your time on calls, listen to your boss but don't do what he says, if they ask for 30 give them 15". Have you guys stopped to read your own postings? You're all insane. I don't work in the puzzle palace/ivory tower. I never have and probably never will. I've spent my entire career in uniform patrol. I'm not looking to "go anywhere". I'm not looking to make a name for myself from other people's work. I just want the cops in my squad to do their jobs and stop all the pissing and moaning. Based on what I've read here I can see that won't happen. I have cops in my squad who average 1 cc a tour (no exageration). These same cops haven't made an arrest in over 15 months (again, no exageration). They write 3 or 4 tickets a month and they get them on a checkpoint. What the hell are they doing with their time? Then they complain when other cops are going 32 or doing V&T work. These working cops are "making us look bad" they moan. Well guess what? They are making themselves look bad. So you say you write a dozen a month. Good for you. What happens if somehow you reach your self imposed limit by midmonth? Do you ignore all V&T violations for the rest of the month? I guess you would rather let the maniacs run rampant on the roads because you filled your personal quota. Maybe if more tickets were issued the roads would be safer for our families. God forbid you should give the boss more than he asked for. As for discretion, we all found out how the public feels about us using discretion on each other, so why extend the same curteousy to them. What about DWI's? I guess on a busy Saturday night it is more important to stay in service to handle that deli alarm for the 8th time this month than it is to take a potential killer off the road. A DWI is ALWAYS a good arrest no matter what day or time or how busy it is. Anyone who says different is just making excuses for his own laziness. Running warrants indiscriminately on a busy night is not a good idea. On that much I agree. But it is a useful tool and you can never know when you will come across someone who is wanted on a serious charge. Going 32, doing DWI's, doing V&T work, handling calls and backing each other up are all equally important. To pick and choose which one or two you are going to do is irresponsible. Alas, I fear that trying to get you to understand that is akin to trying to teach differential calculus to a goldfish. I've been called "world class @#%$", "jackass", "stupid", "dipwad" and a few other things that I can't remember. Suffice it to say that I take it as the most genuine of compliments when a bunch of imbeciles feel that way about me.
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[victim]

Quote:SCPD has taken a page from NYPD

Great!!! It's about time the Suffolk County Police Department took steps toward becoming a professional police organization.


Quote:but I think that this future numbers push will be detrimental to the SCPD.

Perhaps you would not mind taking the time to explain why you believe making more arrests and issuing tickets will be detrimental to the people who pay the SCPD to protect them.

[victim]

i dont know where you work but no one is talking about alarm calls. in the pct. i work we get real crimes. in my squad we have had robberies, stabbings, vehicular pursuits, foot pursuits,fights etc all within the past 35-40- days of work. if im at my quota, i can simply warn the person, or write the person and count it towards next month stats. i average 1 summons a day, 1 arrest a week, and 6-7 cc a day and 2-3 assists a day. i am no slug.do i write everything under the sun? no, im no puppet, the cell phone push where the cope wannabe writes 5+ a week, i write 1-2 a month. im not a puppet why should i give the boss what they want while they are screwing w/ us? i know nypd would not

[money fo]

of course u take it out of context. if the hammer in the next sector is 28/v+t and does it all the time,never breaks for his own calls, why should you? arent u enabling him/her? if it is a alarm, they wont pull u,its going to be a priority 1 call to pull u. you r either a yes boy or a boss if your in patrol. i cant believe u argue the point that our safety comes 1st. your example of calls are always alarms, never anything else, u seem very out of the loop, maybe u r head of the harbor?

[Jakes Dad]

Victim, have you ever worked for the NYPD? I have they aren't that great to work for. They lose 20% to 25% of the force a year to attrition. A veteran in the city has 5 years. I was training guys and I had 3 years on. Don't talk about professionalism, you don't have clue.
Birdie, you are a boss? What do you think of high visiblilty patrol? Omnipresence and the like? The guy who gets 1cc a day it's obvious he works in a good area, should he leave his sector unpatroled to go into another and get more summonses and arrests? It's bad enough they shut those sectors down on the mids and aren't giving the citizens what they pay for (24-7 police coverage) but to leave them uncovered just to get stats? C'mon man that's stupid!
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[tsm20]

Speaking as a former NYPD, I've seen what you're talking about. Those "tracer" units were van loads of cops (mostly fresh academy graduates put into tracer against their will) that either drove around and handed out summonses or set up checkpoints for numbers. You hit the nail on the head when you said that they seemed to have little to no patrol experience. Some tracer cops spent their first 2 full years or MORE in that "unit" and when they eventually got out of it, they had over 2 years service and had no idea how to handle working in a radio car. We felt like field training officers when we had to work with these guys. But if you needed a summons written, they were the guys. In their defense, most of them were drefted out of field training and could not leave even if they tried (many of them did try). Just some friendly advice: If you get a rookie who says he/she was in the NYPD and they spen t most of their time in tracer, treat them like they don't know patrol at all. You'll be doing a service to BOTH of you and the rest of your fellow officers. Take care and stay safe!

[just curious]

You sound an awful lot like a certain EDP 6th Pct midnight sgt who responds to every minor call for service there is and then doesn't know what to do when he gets there. When his squad confronted him about this he went crying and moved himself to another zone because his feelings were hurt. Be Honest. Is it you? I hope there aren't more bosses out there like that.
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[ok]

V eneral D isease? am i right?

[money fo nothing]

heard from a few guys who had the commish at their inspection, he actually was reported to say cut the "fluff" summons down, he'd rather 7 quality summons, seatbelt, cell, speeders, than 15 b/s obstucted view, insufficient tires etc.i can't confirm if tru or joke

[birdie]

I've worked busy sectors and zones. Been in car chases, foot pursuits, rolled around with countless people. Handled thousands of calls covering the entire spectrum. I've also supervised the same. As I said before I'm not looking for any superstars and I don't have specific numbers that I ask for. All I ask is that they do something. For an alarmingly large minority of the people I've supervised it is like pulling teeth. To say that once you reach a certain number of tickets and or arrests you "won't give the boss anymore" is just plain stupid. The cops handling one cc a tour do work in generally nice areas. However to not make one arrest in 15 months is rediculous. They have some major roads that go through their sectors. They must have their heads in the sand to not find anything. The only tickets they write are the ones they get at a safety checkpoint while I'm holding their hand. They do not need to leave their sectors to find SOMETHING. I've seen plenty of "rich people" driving like idiots through their nice neighborhoods. I am fully in favor of high visibility and omnipresence. Enforcement and omnipresence are not mutually exclusive, they should compliment each other. I don't like "fluff" summonses either. They are numbers for the sake of numbers. I would much rather see movers in their place. That benefits everyone. Writing movers, however, requires the officers to be out on patrol with their eyes open. That is something it seems alot of them don't want to do. I don't work in the 6th and I'm not the guy you so cleverly alluded to. As I mentioned before I've worked busy sectors and I have supervised busy zones. I have a perspective on things you probably have not had the chance to take advantage of yet. Believe me you will see things a little differently. That is not to say you have to lose touch. When your responsibilty changes from doing the job to making sure the job gets done you have to view things a little differently. I would never argue about our job safety. It is extremely important. But we knew the risks when we chose this line of work and to refuse to do certain things bcause of the risk is unconcionable. Do the job and do what you have to do to make sure you get home safe.
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[Eagle]

I've worked busy sectors and zones. Been in car chases, foot pursuits, rolled around with countless people.

Sounds like you encountered situations you anticipated you would encounter before you applied to become a police officer. I?m glad to see at least one officer on this board applied for and accepted an easy, interesting, great job?and then DOES NOT complain when he has to perform the duties inherent to the job.

I've also supervised the same. As I said before I'm not looking for any superstars and I don't have specific numbers that I ask for.

As a taxpayer, I wouldn?t mind if a few superstars were permitted to shine. Unfortunately, if they try to excel, the empty suit officers that comprise about 75% of the uniformed patrol force do their best to stifle and inhibit superstars because the aggressive, dedicated officers make the empty suits look bad.

All I ask is that they do something. For an alarmingly large minority of the people I've supervised it is like pulling teeth.

Face it. Until the Brass starts taking action against useless cops, nothing is going to change.

However to not make one arrest in 15 months is rediculous.

It?s more than ridiculous. In my opinion it?s criminal for an officer assigned to patrol duties to spend 15 months without making an arrest. Why the heck did these people become cops in the first place?

How does an officer spend 15 months avoiding making arrests in the domestic disputes he respond to?
How does an officer spend 15 months on patrol without encountering a drunk driver or a driver with multiple suspensions on his license? How does an officer spend 15 months in a society plagued with drug abusers and manage not to make one drug arrest in that period? How does an officer spend 15 months on patrol and not make one arrest for GLA?

If what Birdie writes is true, the officers who go 15 months without making an arrest should be brought up on criminal charges of Grand Larceny from the taxpayers.

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[Eagle]

Speaking as a former NYPD, I've seen what you're talking about. Those "tracer" units were van loads of cops (mostly fresh academy graduates put into tracer against their will)

Young officers out of the police academy assigned to tracer units against their will!!!!!!!!!!!

My God, That's horrible.

I have to tell you, the police department that treated these fine young officers this way should be investigated for using their discretion to assign employees where it wants.



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[victim]

Quote:A veteran in the city has 5 years. I was training guys and I had 3 years on.

Are you saying that when you had three years on the city job, you were not qualified to train newbies?

[money for nothing]

ok mr.civilian. u r clueless as to this whole conversation. 1st you are not a superstar unless you make very high numbers. when you do that you are screwing w/ the good people(who apparently have no prob. screwing w/ us) there are plenty of unlicensed, or 511, or reckless drivers out there to hit. since i've been out here i've been around 20 a month. rarely go to tvb, why? because the people i go after end up in 1st district. there is nothing criminal about no arrests. its been posted before, and i asked a union rep. as per our contract, as per nys pl all scpd has to do is show up. not answer any calls,no summons, no arrests.
rather than attack this cop why dont we check the statisics for the neighborhood that he patrols. believe it or not there are many areas were there is nothing going on. head of the harbor, old field, poquott, belle terre, are 1s that come to mind(because i lived up there). thats all alarms,aided cases and mvas.
you sound like that ocd poster that started discretion. you were beat soundly there, then on another thread, now you are here.as you see, one cop went 15 months without any arrests, there is nothing that can be done to him. we are given the discretion to do as we please, deal with it. there is nothing you can do to change it. accept it.
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[Duck]

eagle is merely looking to force his views on the world. dont reply its not a discussion, its a opening for him to attempt to get his shots in. be safe out there guys + gals

[ThreeTen]

It's called discretion. When I reach my self imposed magic number, I warn and admonish and send them on their way. Someone has to piss me off greatly for me to go past that number. This works great because there are enough skells out there to write summonses to and the normal taxpayers get a break. A public relations bonanza! Locking somone up for 511.1 and 2 is ridiculous when a UTT can be issued to 1st dist. That is the problem I have with my co-workers in 310 who do make these arrests and are out of service for 2-3 hours not handling the calls in their sector.
Birdie, what do you think of the Alpha cars that come on duty and are answering calls that are from 1510 hrs because the 3 x 11 are 32 on BS? Is that public service? Isn't THAT what we signed up for? If I was to guess, Birdie is a Sgt we used to have in the 3rd, then went to marine bureau then went back to his original command. His motto when he was studying to be a boss was "no complainant, no response." When he came to the 3rd no one was working hard enough for him and most everyone thought he was a fool.
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[scpd patrol]

How can a guy go 15 months without making an arrest?
There are several reasons I can think of. Quiet neighborhood, domestics where no crime has occurred, stopping cars that have sober drivers, GOOD EFFECTIVE PATROLLING OF SECTOR( HIS OR HERS )! Would you like to see officers worried about discipline from supervisors going out and making stuff up, or making ILLEGAL SEARCHES!!? I don't and won't. That speaks for the job as a whole. I'd rather give 0 32s than violate someone's rights. Oh, I could stir up people to "create" 32s (spelled DisCon/Loitering/(sometimes Resisting Arrest too. That's nonsense!! Sadly, there are POs who play that game to get off patrol and appear on paper to be superstars. Sometimes, Birdie and Eagle, no matter how hard you look and try to go 32 and write paper, you just strike out. Sometimes you feast on stats, sometimes you starve. Better a legal 0 than a nonsense (or worse, illegal) 1-whatever.
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[scpd patrol]

You are right, some of the tracer guys were drafted and had no say. I should have mentioned that.

Why does patrol have such a bad rap within the SCPD? Guys with very little time want off, bosses (especially HQ) look down on patrol. Patrol is the backbone of the job, plain and simple. Funny though, the Dept. is putting 30 or so POs assigned to HQ details out to various precinct patrol units in order to re-introduce them to patrol and the street. Why not send them to HWY? It appears that the officers displaced by this maneuver are being put out on seat belt checkpoints, and summons writing details. Why not have the HQ guys do that? One answer from a boss was , well, they need to be trained!! The POs they have to work with are now expected to train these guys and not receive training pay. OK, then put them into the Academy, re train them and then put them out in the street. Some of these HQ people who need "retraining" are being put in double cars (busy neighborhoods) with people who have recently gotten off field training and who may have questions regarding the handling of a call. No knock against the forced out Hq PO, but he won't have the answer most likely because the Dept says he needs "retraining".

Another problem with this move is that Patrol works 0700-1500, while most HQ details work 0900-1700 or 0800-1600. Did the Pc or Chiefs forsee an overlap problem? A better move would have been to put these POs in a single car w/ a FTO. They would spend the majority of the time being trained by the FTO, would would be properly compensated, and then at tour change the HQ PO would remain in the SAME sector for the remainder of his tour with the 3-11 operator. Otherwise, what happens when the 3-11 double car operators come to work? Do the HQ guys work until 1500 and go home? Do they get a 2 hour meal if they are supposed to work until 1700?
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[Nefarious6]

SCPD Patrol... its my understanding that they will actually be 'transfering' the officers to the '10' commands, this will eliminate the chart problems...
They are supposed to be mostly placed in the 1, 2, and 3 precincts where they will break up double cars, placing one of the Headquater Paper Weights into the car and moving one of the double officers to a single car... and WHALA... you have just cut back on overtime... Do you really think this has anything to do with retraining? Do you really think they care that they are breaking up partners and possibly putting them at risk by having someone with them they may not have handled a call in YEARS?
If the department cared at all... EVERYONE not in patrol would be required to spend at least one week in a sector car.. EVERYONE, all the way up.. maybe if some of them saw what we do, then patrol wouldn't be looked down on and the guys who CHOOSE to stay here wouldnt be thought of as slugs that just couldnt write enough paper to move on.

[birdie]

First of all Mr. former NYPD I'm not "bragging" about how much I've done and seen. I brought it up because someone else accused me of being "out of the loop" and "out of touch" and not knowing what I'm talking about. If I worked my entire career in HQ I wouldn't listen to anything I had to say either. Second of all I really don't care if you don't care. You can call my postings whatever you like. If you think I'm whining about how little my squad does that's your opinion. Go back and read the other posts from these other whiners. If you're going to tell me you agree with them then you are just as bad as they are. I can't believe anybody would actually try to defend a cop or cops who have done NOTHING for the last 15 months. Are you seriously trying to tell me they couldn't find any violations of any law in that time. If that's the position you're going to take there is no point in continuing this discussion. They don't need to violate anybody's civil rights. They just need to take off their blinders and get off their lazy butts. When I see violations of the law I do take action. I write more tickets than half my squad, which sad to say isn't difficult to do. I am just looking to see enforcement of any kind. A summons or an FAT is just fine by me. It does not have to be a summary arrest. As I said before I don't care about numbers for the sake of numbers. Just do something when you observe a violation! Seems to me all of you are hiding behind this "discretion" thing to avoid doing more work or even any work at all. It also strikes me as comical that all of the sudden you are concerned about civil rights. You can't be serious. Sounds more like another excuse for not doing anything. Before you jump all over that, I'm not suggesting you should violate the constitution. A competent cop can operate within those parameters and still effectively enforce the law, no matter where he works. I'm really growing weary of this discussion. Obviously you whining crybaby primadonnas are not going to see the light. When I compared you to a goldfish I was being too kind to you and insulting to the goldfish. I would say a more accurate comparison would be to a one celled organism, maybe an amoeba. Oh, and 310, nice try but keep guessing.
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[ChattiPatti]

because they get away with it. Face it, unfortunatly most people are naive and trust them.

"If what Birdie writes is true, the officers who go 15 months without making an arrest should be brought up on criminal charges of Grand Larceny from the taxpayers." BINGOOOOOOOO

But they barged into my home and arrested me for (allegedly) RESISTING ARREST!!! If you ask me that was CRIMINAL. But then again the arresting officer has an angel on his shoulder (on the force) who protects all his MISTAKES that the rest all turn their heads (in shame?) and allow this officer to assault women OVER & OVER & OVER. FOR CRIPES SAKE THE GUY FAILED 2 PSYCH EXAMS LATER ARRESTED FOR RAPE:">

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[former nypd]

Let us clear something up. There are absolutely some people on this job that are a complete waste. The kind of people that hold on to garbage calls forever while someone else gets stuck with a bag of sh*t in their sector and then they clear a meal without thinking twice. The same person that will not back their neighboring sector on a gun run. And then there are the cops who 2 mins into the tour will knock on someone's door for a 511 warrant, take a few hrs processing the arrest, they don't go 27 and will do the exact same thing again. If any city cop pulled this stunt, not only would the desk sgt throw him out of the pct but the cop's squad members would surely take some sort of action against him. I find it hard to believe that your entire zone or squad does no activity. Let us examine some things. First of all you said some people handle 1 cc a tour which makes me think that they work in a really nice area. That probably means there are few call related arrests, including domestics (which you know they aren't sh*t-canning because it is your respnsibilty to respond if it is physical). That primarily leaves vtl and dwi enforcement. Do I agree in squashing DWIs? No, I do not. There are situations where I feel that it is not wise to bring in every one (but they are few and far between). But I ask you this question, have you made a DWI in the past 15 months? You can't honestly tell me that you haven't come across one during your tours. Like I said earlier, there is nothing preventing you from making an arrest. If it is true that your entire squad does nothing then maybe the bosses should look at themselves and think about what they may be doing wrong. If you talk to your POs the same way you talk about them on here, I can't really fault them for not wanting to give you more activity than necessary. Just remember one thing. The only difference between you and that cop in your squad is that you "took a test" to make boss. Those stripes on your sleeve do not make you smarter or better than any other patrol officer. Im not trying to get in a pissing match with you and before you respond, I am far from a do nothing. Im just trying to share my views on this topic. I apologize to all again for the ultra long post.

[Jakes Dad]

Birdie, do you have the courage of your convictions? If you do, write a 42 to your squad members and tell them they suck and you want more stats. Even come up with a number for them, sort of like the "slug not a slug" magic numbers. You must lead by example write, go 32 and 38 calls. Rember, you can't lead from behind!

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[joeybagodonuts]

Joe- stop your whining about 310 command guys working- get off the puter- and forget getting elected-
have a safe tour- but maybe earn your check for a change-
bye bye!

[money fo nothing]

how much actual crime takes place in this sector? how many 10-2s, 3, 14s, 15s, pl 145.00 s ? if there isnt much crime, no shopping malls, stores there are no shoplifters, no bars no 10-20s. if this is an area like head o' the harbor, there isnt much going on. is this a guy who never leaves to back up his neighbors? certainly there are neighboring sectors that have some action, cant he take something. you cant make something out of nothing. is his 1 cc a 10-8,9 or 73? cant you put him in a zone car and let a ppo in for a week, let him make #s elsewhere? how many years on is he? is he on his way out soon? ( iwould not mind a sector like that when is the next sgt test?)

[tsm20]

Young officers out of the police academy assigned to tracer units against their will!!!!!!!!!!!

My God, That's horrible.

I have to tell you, the police department that treated these fine young officers this way should be investigated for using their discretion to assign employees where it wants.

Let me address the sarcasm here. Of course the rookies get the bottom of the barrel when it comes to assignments. I never meant to suggest that they shouldn't be the ones to get drafted into a unit like that. However, my point was that it's a unit that serves no other purpose other than to make numbers. Of course the people you assign to a numbers unit like that have to be rookies who are on probation and have no choice but to give whatever the bosses tell them to get. My main concern, which you apparently missed, was that when a department puts such an emphasis on summons numbers, the cops will suffer in one way or another. In this particular case, it's the patrol cops who have to wind up working with these 2,3, sometimes 4 year cops who eventually get out of tracer and are thrown into a sector car with no clue how to handle the barrage of radio runs that are about to be thrown at them, much less how to guage their activities during the tour so as not to get taken off the street for something stupid thereby putting the other cars at a disadvantage.

[Wowwwww]

If u got the nutz to put names in your posts... then you should have nutz to leave yours!

[money fo nothin]

dont worry bout eagle, hes the guy from the discretion posts. he resents paying us our salary, wants us to arrest the world and so on. anything you explain to him he analyzes for a couple days, then tries to twist it into something else.

[ChattPatti]

I haven't had a man in over 10 years! and my batteries are running out !!!!! help!!!!!
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[birdie]

Now I don't know what to do. That whacko EDP Patti agreed with something I wrote. It's enough to make me swear off this board forever.
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[Jakes Dad]

Joe has my vote! He earns his check everytime he puts on his vest, gun and uniform shirt and takes out his marked RMP, just like every other patrol guy.
The bosses need to stop whining and crying over stats and realize that when an alpha car handles a call that is from 1510 hrs that is the real problem that needs to be addressed. Anybody else think thats a problem? How long does it take for a double car to process a warrant, 511 or a crack stem with ass smell on it? Is 2-4 hours reasonable for 2 people or is 1 to 1/2 hrs more reasonable? How about kick one guy out to answer calls while the other processes?
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[ThreeTen]

I have to agree with JD about his last post. It is embarrasing when you answer a call that is hours old. I worked a mid after my squad was on 4x12(letter day) in one of the alpha cars. I answered a call that was from around 1700 at 0030. Very bad!! I was told this wasn't anything new. When I go into the pct and see the double cars who haven't answered a call all night eating lunch in the Sgts. room, I have the right to be pissed! Where is the desk Sgt.? Where are the patrol Sgts? Don't piss and moan about my stats when I'm running around all night picking up calls.
As far as "BIG Joe", he also has my vote that loveable imitation of the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Let the canolis flow!!!
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[Sheik Yabooty]

Don't blame the cops, these dispatchers hold these low priority calls for hours so the real cops on 2 tour who are running their asses off can handle the high priority calls..Now when all quietes down the dispatcher will give the midnites the calls they were holding...At least then they have something to do instead of 1 0r 2 cc's a night, and thats on a busy night ! Or hanging out watching TV. And if a midnight guy actually made an arrest he would know how long one takes....Hey joey bachagalupe...u got my vote

[former nypd]

Let us not start with how 2 tour cops are real cops and the midnights are do nothings. The 2 tour may handle more cc's but how many of them are mva's, aideds, or those high priority shoplifters in custody. You make yourself sound like an idiot when you make statements like that. Im pretty confident that the midnights handle as many robberies, burglaries, etc.. as the 2 tour does.

[money for nothing]

2 tour has much higher volume of work, 10x8, i mean 9x7 has less b/s calls.although when they get a 72,73,74 etc its probably for real, if fact most calls are more legit at that hour. less traffic on the road, also less cops to back you. im sure if they did a study more pd10s at night
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[scpd patrol]

Whether 2 tour or midnights, cops are cops and we should be sticking together and working together!! Of course there are some interesting people and work ethics within each tour, but we must stick together and try not to paint squads with a broad brush.

Anyone hear anything new on the task force looking into police coverage within the SCPD? I know it's summer, but maybe the SC Legislature had started to tackle the issue.

Speaking of police coverage, why are guys out there 60ing so many calls. I think we should be 38ing as much as possible to justify our existance and importance to handling service calls. I know what it's like to run around on crazy days and nights, but I think it's important to show reports generated. This may go a long way towards getting badly needed new sectors created. Try not to void out repeat calls also for the same reason. What do you guys think?
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[money for nothing]

i handle 140+ calls no way i can write up 1/2 the field reports. if its a false report of a crime i would write it up, but d/ms etc 10-19 are handle as such. i do write anything possible as an incident as opposed to a field. harrassmnet vs disturbance
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[Jakes Dad]

Make the time to 38 instead of 60. It takes 2 extra minutes to write a field. There is really no excuse for the mids not to 38.
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[Sheik Yabooty]

midnites handle just as many robberies and burgs as 2 to tour? Are u kidding? How many stores are open a 4am to rob? Burglaries...when most people are home? Maybe business's are broken into but TWO TOUR handles it when the business opens in the AM..If the zero's on the midnite's did anthing, like "preventive patrol" Or wait,better yet , "check their glass" like they should. How many times did an 8x4 guy go to a burg where the perp threw a rock through the front door and it wasn't discovered until the owner showed up??? where was the midnite guy? Doesn't he check his sector and glass, making the appropriate memo book entry? No he's either ZZzzzzz or hanging at the diner....Go back to the City jackazz....

[former nypd]

I am convinced that you must be out of the last class and are feeling a little overwhelmed with all the paperwork that you must do. Don't worry too much about it. It will come with time and experience. When little Billy pushes little Suzy and takes her lollipop, you don't have to arrest him for robbery. The boss won't yell at you. Believe it or not, some burglars don't care if people are home or not. Good work to the 2nd Pct "midnight" cops for catching the rapist in Greenlawn. I know that guy had no problem breaking into an occupied house. I am by no means trying to start a war between the tours. I just obviously take offense to someone mouthing off when they don't have a clue.

[dont waste your breath]

While attempting to explain why officers can go 15 months without making an arrest, scpd patrol wrote:

Would you like to see officers worried about discipline from supervisors going out and making stuff up, or making ILLEGAL SEARCHES!!?

Officer, I am reading what you wrote and saying to myself that you have intimate, first hand knowledge of police officers manufacturing evidence AND intentionally violating the rights of citizens by ignoring or laughing at 4th amendment of the US Constitution. Please tell me this isn’t true.

Please tell me you are the type of stand–up officer who would immediately report to your commanding officer any serious misconduct you observe your brother and sister officers engaging in.

Birdie and Eagle, no matter how hard you look and try to go 32 and write paper, you just strike out.

Officer scpd patrol, for attempting to defend officers who month after month show little to no summons or arrest activity, I’d like to nominate you for the SCPD PBA “I Got Your Back Award.”

[Eagle]

Quote:Those stripes on your sleeve do not make you smarter or better than any other patrol officer.

And the shield over your left breast does not make you any better than any civilian you encounter.

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[Jakes Dad]

You definitly are a rookie. I can't believe the crap you just posted. Ever work a mid? Painfully obvious you haven't. I know I have responded to burgs that happened on the 4x12. Where were the 4x12's? On a 32 with 511.1 or huge UPM nickle bag bust. Maybe they were trying to pole smoke their way into COPE.

[scpd patrol]

Thank you for the award. I also thank you for catching a line in which I meant to type the word "sometimes"

No matter how hard you look for summonses or 32s you sometimes strike out. (that doesn't necessarily mean zeros across the board).

What is the right number of activity (summonses and arrests) an officer must produce in the SCPD? Guys do their job and do utilize discretion. What makes 1 PO a "better" PO over another? I would like to know from a supervisor.

It is obvious to most POs that in order to "go places" many guys run up very high numbers because they do not have a "phone call". No one wants to work patrol it seems. "Too many radio calls" said one 2 year "veteran". Another told me he'd rather be off the road 32 than deal with people. That's ridiculous to me, but he went to COPE (I thought you had to deal with people there. Community people!) I truly believe that the job has to set up and post criteria for open positions, including ones such as COPE and CCU/PCS. Guys with several years experience and good problem solving skills are passed over for guys who write lots more paper and make lots more collars. Obviously guys who give zeros will stay where they are unless they can make the phone ring.
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[money for nothing]

dont waste your breathe with eagle thats the discretion freak, ignore him, he'll go away. discretion, we got it you dont nothing you can do.just stomp your feet and cry.
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[No doubt]

no 1 puts us above" county residents", that must be your insecurity,poking thru, we do the job the way we were trained, we dont need unqualified, untrained civilians explaining our job to us. unfortuneately that is what we encounter everywhere. people think because they are REQUIRED to pay taxes to finance the poilce dept., they somehow become our bosses (by the way i am a tax-payer in suffolk does that make me my own boss?). yes we are here to serve you in a very basic way. you call us , we come, we investigate and take proper actions. we are trained to take those actions, and sometimes non-action. we answer to our supervisors, and always can articulate our actions to them. that is it in a nutshell.
another quick point 6/30 at 300pm we, scpd, were at 360500 plus calls, how many times have we been on the cover of newsday? we are human we are allowed to make mistakes,we dont have to be right just be ableto explain our actions.
that is the way it is do whatever you have to to accept it, you cant change it, you know that, you are just working up your b.p.

[money fo nothing]

i wonder how much of the stats has to do with pressure from above for a sgt., can you explain that to us,or is that subject off-limits? i'm not trying to be a wise guy, just curious. when you have a guy or a sector that is a dead zone what do your bosses say to you? do u want numbers so you look good, or so you move? honestly dont answer if you dont feel comfortable,dont make something up

[birdie]

Of course there is pressure from above. We get pressure from the Inspector, he gets pressure from the Chiefs and so on. The squads are always being compared to each other statwise and sicktime usage. It is a good idea not to be last in productivity and first in sicktime. I guess the top brass feels there is no other way to evaluate their subordinate's performance. They feel a good supervisor gets his subordinates to produce. As I mentioned before I personally am not looking to go anywhere. Uniform patrol suits my life and needs just fine. As far as productivity goes one can make an argument that a cop working a "slow" sector doesn't have the oppurtunity to put up any numbers. On its face that is a valid point. However, when you compare the numbers of the other cops who work the same car or relief drivers who are showing reasonable activity in that car we need to look at other reasons. I don't care about numbers for the sake of numbers. I am not on any power trip and I don't particularly enjoy telling people what to do. What it all boils down to is if you keep the Big Bosses of my back I will stay off yours.
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[hawkeye]

birdie are you the same birdie from the illegal aliens thread? that birdie is awfully similiar to county an.l retentive resident, who is awfully similiar to eagle.#1 are you even in law enforcement, #2 if so are you playing both sides?#3 just for sh:ts and giggles give us some info that only a scpd would know, like a pdcs form # and what is the name, like field interview, ur-18 if all of you are the same guy, you have got some issues to deal with.

[birdie]

Hawkeye, if you have something of substance to discuss, by all means do so. I don't see the need to provide you with proof of "who I am". As far as I can tell everyone else is satisfied. I'm going to ignore your ridiculous questions and accusations. If you don't like it then don't participate.
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[ThreeTen]

Birdie=County Resident=eagle. Under any name he cares to use he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
As far as the shield above my left breast, it was given to me by the people of the County of Suffolk to enforce Federal, New York State and local laws. Yes, they gave me discretion(NYS CPL) to enforce the letter of the law(arrests and summonses) or the spirit of the law(stop, warn and admonish). You don't have to respect me but you'd better listen or I won't use any discretion on you. Remember when you are dealing with the police, sometimes you're the dog, sometimes you're the hydrant.
As far as the CO not being responsible for a sector, you couldn't have been further from the mark. You have zero military experience and zero police experience or you would know about vicarious liability and that an officer, NCO or supervisor is ALWAYS responsible for those under his command.
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[birdie]

Three ten you are an absolute moron!!!! The question I was asked was if we were getting pressure from above. I believe I answered that quite satisfactorily. Go back and read the question again, that is if you are able to read at all. What does it have to do with vicarious liability, or The CO's responsibility? I am only one poster, I am not using any other names. Maybe it would help if I submitted this on an Internal Correspondence (PDCS-2042), you idiot.
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[sensei]

is the birdie posting on the illegal thread, who seems to be county resident/ eagle/birdie you have the same name but a very different outlook, guys want to make sure you arent him
by the way what is a pdcs 2001i?
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[scpd patrol]

Birdie, as long as statistics are kept there will always be some sort of ranking..first, second, third, all the way to last. Someone will have to be first and someone last. As long as the job gets done..calls for service handled, no one gets hurt...that should be the Depts #1 priority. I don't know where you work, but where I am, stats apparently are the only thing that counts (arrests). Check bulletins county wide during the month of March 2004...you'll see what I mean. no mention of who handled the most calls or got the most good guy letters from the public. Only arrests!!

Sensei, I know the answer to your last question! The most important form on the job!!
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[ThreeTen]

Birdie, county resident, eagle- I'm convinced you have no clue just based on your last post. Everyone, even an outsider like you with some access, can give back a certain forms numerical. What does everyone think he is? I'm guessing an FNG type who was NRT and possibly sent 28 for the remainder of his life. Definitly not MOS.
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[Jakes Dad]

I was just reading through his posts and find guys like him to be quite scary! Imagine if he was your boss, YIKES! I don't think he is MOS either. Maybe an Aux or someone with just enough knowledge to post and be somewhat credible.
Easy test: 104a? 1086k? DD214?
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[birdie]

Well, I guess we can all be friends again. No more stats as of 6-30-04. You guys can do nothing and not worry about getting your chops busted anymore. Now all I have to do is keep you guys out of your 43's for at least part of the tour. They did this once before when Guido was in charge. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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[SCPD12]

Sorry Bridie, Stats are now compiled through admin and arrest processing. As they have already been doing for a while, at least as i'm told. it was redundant to have PO's submit them and Bosses enter them.
The point being if you think STATS don't matter you better have a Chief as an Uncle. Isn't it funny this order came from Chief of Department, Not Chief of Patrol. And why is that?
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[Cop]

"Isn't it funny this order came from Chief of Department, Not Chief of Patrol. And why is that?"

Because the current administration is doing things with little or no input from their subordinates. That's why we hear of all these decisions that are recinded soon thereafter (name tags, bdu's, no mutuals, etc). Kind of like the dormergrams of long ago...

[money for nothing]

if we dont write our stats down there is no way anyone can find out how "active" we are. that means the guys claiming they'll be lucky to have 10, but somehow end the month with over 20 cant be found out.i've seen this 1st hand doing some o/t on the desk, and snooping around in sgts boxes. now there is nothing to prevent a guy from stating he is keeping in line, but doing whatever he wants.sounds paranoid? maybe, shows how well this admin is doing there job
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[sensei]

but pretty good point,we all know who is going with the program, and who is out for themselves. dont know if the admin is that smart to figure that out though.
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[statman]

Almost everything that is reported on someone's monthly stats can be obtained/verified on the computer systems (IRS, Summons Tracking, attendance system, etc).

This new way is better...now all those superstars don't have to write in at the top "once upon a time"...

[scpd patrol]

As other posts state, all major stats, like summonses, arrests, ur-18s, and calls handled are computerized. They can easily be checked from computers within the precinct. All you have to do is enter a shield # and you'll get the info.

Just to go back to something that i feel is very important, we should be writing up as many calls as possible. Recently the Dept has allowed more calls to be 10-60'd, including alarms. This comes a month after a task force to review police staffing was created. The reason for this, I believe is that the Dept realizes how understaffed the SCPD patrol division is in comparison to the public we serve. They know that anybody, when shown certain stats (population, sector size, and CALL VOLUME) will look to create NEW SECTORS. One way the Dept can try to skew things their way is to show fewer calls for service that actually required a police officer to respond and take some sort of action, including WRITING A REPORT! 10-60's basically indicate that we responded but nothing really had occurred. This enables officers to spend less time on calls, thus requiring FEWER OFFICERS on the street. The argument they will make then to the task force is that the SCPD really doesn't need MORE OFFICERS/SECTORS! I think that it is incumbent upon US to keep WRITING REPORTS. Alarms are 10-60's, but if you need a rep. to respond to secure a premise or business, WRITE IT UP ON A FIELD. This also shows that we are out there doing what we are supposed to. Don't void out repeat alarms too. I know what it's like to be busy, but if we stick to this, we will only help ourselves and the public!

Drawing CC's on during a quiet tour will also help this cause. Remember, the Dept will present printouts showing low call volumes and try to use it against the addition of sector cars. Don't be lazy and complacent, that is what the Dept is hoping for! Take the time now and help yourself later. Pass this on to your co-workers.
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[Eagle]

Scpd patrol wrote:

What makes 1 PO a "better" PO over another? I would like to know from a supervisor.

I?ll tell you what. The next time your supervisor asks you to sign off on your Performance Evaluation, why don?t you ask him why you were evaluated as ?Meets Standards? and Officer GoGetEm received an Above Standards evaluation?

I?m sure most supervisors would jump at the chance to offer constructive criticism to an officer whose requesting to know why his or her performance merely Meets Standards.

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[Eagle]

A poster who could also be known as one-under-por wrote:

I am not on any power trip

Birdie, when you?re not calling people names like moron or idiot, you come off as a reasonable man and boss.


and I don't particularly enjoy telling people what to do.

You should not have to tell the adults who work under you what their responsibilities are.

From reading the various comments to these threads, and in particular most of the replies to your comments, it appears you have a very difficult job. A job made difficult by people who swore they had the capacity to be dedicated to duty, only to shuck that front when their initial probation period ended.

I have no doubt there are officers who enjoy police work and get a kick out of locking bad guys up. I believe there are officers who look forward to going to work and are not, on a 24/7 basis, thinking about their compensation package.

What I am curious about is the percentage of officers in your squad who show a dedication to duty VS those who are marginal and merely seeking a paycheck for minimum services rendered?

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[Eagle]

Which Online Police Officers Are We, The County Residents, Suppose To Believe?

Officer ThreeTen writes:

As far as the shield above my left breast, it was given to me by the people of the County of Suffolk to enforce Federal, New York State and local laws.

PO3617 writes:

We do not have the power to enforce the laws of the Immigration and Nationality Act which they fall under. That is the job of the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

One officer writes that he has the power to enforce federal laws. While another officer says he does not have the power to enforce federal laws.

Who should we look to for the truth?

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[Eagle]

It is the responsibilty of the C.O. to determine how he wants to handle the situation in his command.

When a police officer takes his post, who is responsible for addressing violators that urinate in public, consume alcohol in public, or impede pedestrian or vehicular traffic? Most communities, if not all, have littering ordinances. When a police officer takes his post, who is responsible for enforcing the littering laws on his or her post?

I can?t begin to imagine the stress suffered by homeowners and other legally domiciled residents who live in a community where police and politicians refuse to address this issue.

Would you lock them all up for trespass or discon and take every sector out of service processing?

Thank you for admitting that you believe the laws being violated by day laborers are so numerous that addressing the problem on any day of the week would cause EVERY sector to be tied up.

If the people who live in the communities affected by this problem can?t elect a leader to address the problem, I guess the police can just continue to ignore throngs of people committing violations on their posts.

There once was a time when a police officer took enormous pride in the fact that he kept his post clean. I guess today?s officers have better things to do with their time.

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[Eagle]

Officer ThreeTen:

You don't have to respect me but you'd better listen or I won't use any discretion on you.

If a police officer catches me committing a crime, I don?t expect him to use discretion. I expect him to arrest me.

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[Eagle]

Birdie, county resident, eagle- I'm convinced you have no clue just based on your last post. Everyone, even an outsider like you with some access, can give back a certain forms numerical.

Officer ThreeTen, based on your replies in this thread and others, it seems painfully evident that birdie is correct in characterizing you as a moron and idiot.

At least tbaw and two dollars a day were smart enough to pack up their bags and leave town after displaying their ignorance on the board.

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[you have it wrong]

lets make this simple, there are federal laws set out by the federal govt. these laws apply equally in all states. then states have their own laws. these are made on a state level.i do believe, the state can even modify a federal law, as long as it makes it more restrictive as opposed to less liberal, in example a murder charge of 10 years becomes 20 thats good. 10 years becomes 5 that is bad. then the local govt. can make their own laws,hov lane, right on red, cell phones, and so on. there are areas we dont enforce, immigration is 1 example, we have no training, no certification, we cannot deport anyone, we have no planes, trains buses. that is the way it is. we do not go after income tax cheats for the same reason, the training, not the planes. another example : if you lie to an fbi agent they can lock you up, obsruction, i guess. that is a law, we do not have the capability to enforce, much to our chagrin. yes certain lies are enforceable, false personation is 1, in some states you can be arrested simply for not giving your name/ id upon a po's request. not here, that merely is reason to be suspicious. anyway, when we get a illegal on a crime scpd protocol is to notify the feds. they determine if he/she/it is to be held for any deportation. otherwise they are EXACTLY the same as you or i. period.and i've never heard of any illegals being deported. the issues you have are not with the street cop, its with the politicians, that allow this. its the federal govt. who allows them to stay. allows them to work tax free think of all the contractors making their money off these illegals, the people who see them working on their lawns, houses and so forth.you need to take this up with the people who can make a change, you think any of us like them being here more than you?

[Tick Tock]

now that i actually read some of your posts, we dont even do performance evals unless we are on probation,its against our contract. we just hand in our stats at the end of the month.oh yeah, as of 7/04 we are not required to even keep track of our stats i.e. arrests, calls and utts . shows you which way the powers that be are leaning, less is more.deal with it my man, i know its rough, you cant win,sooner or later you'll see. hey what are you going to do when the county goes to a fully paid emt/ fire/resue. thats another 300+ a year taxes, more pensions you're funding, and less work for us? while you're at it learn to accept that too. its coming.

[scpd patrol]

Performance evaluation?? I've long since past my probationary period. I'm starting to believe others about you not being a sworn member of the SCPD. One of your posts does make it appear that you have something to do about speaking out on the Farmingville community's problem on Rt 112.
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[scpd patrol]

Anyone have any concerns like I do over the 10-60's? (go back several posts if interested).
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[Jakes Dad]

It is getting out of hand. I guess people don't understand what's at stake. We need a message from the reps on the MDC or at squad inspections to set people straight.
Eagle, county resident and Birdie are all one in the same person. Not an MOS and we should now ignore him. Everyone agree?
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[Chico]

yeah must suck, living in farmingville, being forced out by the illegals no wonder he hates us, gotta blame someone for the situation, property value etc. whats sad is the illegals rarely cause problems for the p.o.s that is still the archie + edith bunkers job, domestics, vops, neighbor disputes, etc. the illegals never call us, rarley bother w/their neighbors (thats rite tweety you + them are neighbors). mostly its w/each other. the real problem is the guy who owns the house that rents it out
(town problem), the cotractors that pick up the workers(irs problem) and the people that allow the illegals to work on their property because its cheaper than hiring an american(neighbor problem) . my suggestion is move up north, seems rt 25 is the line they wont cross, i lived in medford, sold 4 years ago, got decent house in miller place, might be too late for tweety, his house is going down, while the rest of the market went up. and no i aint no stinking cop, im worse, a lawyer. but i hear this all the time from people who dont have a clue.

[PO3617]

SCPD patrol, you are absolutely correct. It is definitely getting a little out of hand. I would like to know why people aren't drawing more cc's. Why aren't people drawing a cc when they move an object out of the roadway or 26 a d/m to a payphone. They may not be glamorous things but it is a service and it is a police action. I know how busy it gets at times and the last thing anybody wants to do is right more fields but maybe in the long run the dept will see the need for more sectors and then birdie/eagle/etc.. can have more cops to complain about.
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[ThreeTen]

Our goal as dept should be to handle over 1 miilion CC's. We take all this action yet don't draw cc's from the cad. It is an easy thing to do. Nobody should 10-60 a call no matter how busy or how much you hate to write a field. When I work a mid I notice that many guys 10-60 calls. Where is the squad rep? I even heard him 60 a call. Really happens a lot in the 36 zone. 60 an alarm? You don't even have to fill out a field, no excuses there!
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[birdie]

Jake's dad, you can go on believing what you like. I am not"eagle" or "county resident". Despite any similarities or common opinions we are not one and the same. I don't remember who asked about the most important form in the county but the last one I approved was PDCS-2000j, not 2000i. Does anyone have any more questions about arrest worksheets or accident reports?
Now it's my turn. Based on some of the asinine comments I've read I'm having a hard time believing some of you are who you say you are. Try this; PDCS-5201c.
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[money for nothing]

seriously i think there were 2 birdies the 1st is the wah-wah you guys get 100,000 to do nothing you should be ashamed guy, 2nd seems to be a boss.
if you notice chico, who claims to be a lawyer also says you hate us, meaning scpd.
i definitely agree. ignore the static from the miserables, everytime you answer you encourage him to post.
as far as 10-60 i again state last month i had 140+ ccs. 50 + assists, 9x32, on 7 different charges (all call related)and 20ish on the vnt. i rarely get a meal, if the call is unfounded, there is little chance i'm writing a field. in my pct, alarms are 38 without field, not 60. i see your point with this, i will try to keep it in mind when the cad isnt a page deep.
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[county resident]

Quote:Eagle, county resident and Birdie are all one in the same person. Not an MOS and we should now ignore him. Everyone agree?
county resident and eagle are obviously the same civilian poster.

They are not affiliated with either of the birdie's posting on this board. The birdie in the "ticketing illegals" thread is definitely not the same birdie posting in this thread.

Based on his writings, it is easy to see that birdie is a dedicated LEO who expects his subordinates to perform the tasks inherent to their job.

Can you seriously fault a supervisor who expects his officers to earn their paycheck?
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[county resident]

sensei wrote:

Quote:lets make this simple....
lol...simple? I snipped the 340 words you wrote that comprised the simple reply you offered. lol
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[PO3617]

I sure hope that you are putting in OT slips for your missed meals. I know too many POs that don't get a meal and simply accept it This isn't the city anymore where meal is a privilege, out here it is contractual. I'm sure there are some bosses (Birdie for example), that will probably give you a hard time about signing off on it but you must ignore them. That is not their money, it is yours and you are entitled to it. We must not take for granted these wonderful little perks in our contract. If we don't take advantage of them, they may not be around in future contracts.
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[scpd patrol]

I was told recently that the Dept wanted alarms 60'd because no field report was required. I guess too many missing field report papers were coming out. I agree with the other posters on the generation of fields, obviously.

Remember we can handle one call at a time. I have handled over 100 cc's monthly also, but write up the fields. I also am sure to clear a meal period as do my co-workers. Remember, you can submit for the missed meal period. Stay safe guys/gals!!
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[money fo nothing]

no one in my pct puts in for meals, i'm too new out here to rock the boat, again we 38 alarms but no report required, unless we take police action, clear house w/ open door.

[sensei]

73 equals 38 or 60.every pct is run differently, we do not all follow same inhouse rules. the new guys come out and are told by the old "gentlemens handshake crew" dont do this or that, because thats the old ways they came up in. things are changing, we need the union guys to take the ppos to the side and explain how things are, once they're off probation, of course. everyone tells these guys dont rock the boat, and if they dont see us vets. doing it, they are not going to be the ones making waves. we need to talk more to each other,in pct, and between. the eastern pcts. were clueless to what was going on this spring, until we started telling them (at cpep our daily class reunion) what we were doing.
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[PO3617]

I hear what you are saying about not rocking the boat because you are new. You shouldn't be the one to have to start a trend. It scares me when you say that nobody is clearing a meal though. We are definitely busy out there, especially during the summer, and we need more cars. Everybody should attempt to clear a meal. If it is busy and you get denied, put that in your memo book. When you try again later and get denied again, put that in your memo book too and then fill out the OT slip. I believe that if more OT slips start getting put in because it is so busy and meals are being declined, the dept just might feel obligated to do something about it. Once again this is not some trick or a conspiracy, it is our right. Everybody in each pct needs to get on the same page though and the delegates need to get that across.
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[money]

sorry,i meant no 1 puts in for missed meals, not no 1 clears meals

[ThreeTen]

Good Lord Man, get off your high horse. If there is one thing I learned about leadership, from people who really know, is that one can't lead from behind. You make v&t's stops, you write summonses,you make DWI 32's, you post your stats every month on the pct bulletin board whether we are required to fill out stat sheets or not. Then and only then can you get on your people's back about how much they do or don't do. Even post your sterling stats as a PO on the bulletin board. Lead the way my friend! Again, YOU can't lead from behind!
I have to say I have great bosses in my squad. No nonsense about stats and everyone gets along great. Nice coming into work and we don't dread seeing them. We even have meals together sometimes. Why do only some supervisors feel the "heat" from the higher ups?
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[birdie]

I'm not on any high horse. This all started when I objected to the recomendation that no one back up the new guys because they spend too much time on traffic stops and running warrants. I believe I said that was dangerous and some one could get hurt. Somehow I was later accused of not being concerned about officer safety. I get along very well with the officers in my squad. Even the non producers. While I do make efforts to get them to increase their activity it is not taken personally. Some bosses feel heat and others don't. It all depends on who is in charge. I am not a "numbers guy". I do, however, expect the cops in my squad to take action of some kind when they observe a violation of the law. Staying in service bacause it's busy is not a valid reason not to make a DWI arrest. A DWI arrest is always a good arrest. I have no problem issuing a summons or an FAT in the appropriate situations. A summary arrest is not always mandatory. I've seen comments that said "listen to your boss, but don't do what he says", "slow down and enjoy the view", "if he asks for 30 give him 15". If you go back and read the previous posts you will see that those comments and others like them are what I have objected to. As far as missed meals go, I follow the R&P's and the contract. After the second denial I will attempt to arrange for the officer's meal. If that can't be done and the officer has had no other oppurtunity to take a meal I will happily sign the OT slip. What usually happens though is the officer will want to take his meal two hours before the tour ends. For whatever reasons he just can't be accomodated. He will come to me the next day with his OT slip and when I check his memo book I see that he had a five or six hour block of time available earlier in the tour. He just didn't want to take his meal then. In that situation I will not sign his slip. This does not even take into account the many, many times I have cut someone loose early to pick up their aunt Millie at the airport, or to take their wife to the doctor, or watch his kid play baseball. Usually the guys who are militant about their meals are the ones who are asking for one of those leave early favors. The missed meal thing works both ways and with a little bit of cooperation on both parts we can make it work to everyone's satisfaction.
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[SCPD alumni]

I really haven't been following this whole thread, but your last post is right on the money. Let me put it another way to the newby whiners who are "missing" meals. If you can't find a few minutes to grab a bite to eat then shame on you. Chances are there are more than a few of you who time your mealtime requests when adjoining sectors are out of service, knowing damn well a refusal is forthcoming. In my day there was no such thing as a missed meal. You ate when you got a chance, and once in a rare while not at all, but no one complained, much less expect to get paid for it. If the tour was really busy we didn't f**k the adjoining sector operator by taking an hour long 18. We ate on the run or worked it out with the adjoining cars, covering for each other. That was an unwritten rule, and one that everyone respected. Perhaps we respected each other a little more in those days, or perhaps the job wasn't just about the bucks. Some of you new guys sound very much like spoiled brats and are giving the public the wrong image with your posts on this board.
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[SCPD alumni]

why does any negative complaint have someone telling us to shut up? this isnt whining, this isnt newbies, this is our right. we fought to get a good contract, and we are being told by our reps, "clear a meal everyday". there isnt 1 job out there, including pro sports that does not inlcude time for a meal. just so that we dont lose the right to take a meal. everyone knows when its busy, we may not get a meal/ get pulled off early. no one is complaining. you clear a meal you ask for a time of refusal, you document it. you clear a meal you aske for a second time of refusal, guess what, the union has ammo to show just how busy we are. alum, god bless you, enjoy your retirement, but understand, this day and age, this job is 3x more paperwork, than anything. every inspection there are new procedures to deal with new problems we encounter, again no complaints,the guys coming out today are no different than any others, its just a slightly different world
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[scpd patrol]

I must say that most, if not all of the last 2 classes that are assigned to my squad have been very much on board pertaining to the Meal and CC/10-60 issue. The squad delegate spoke to the entire squad and they listened. Most of these guys came from the NYPD. They realize where they came from and what they now have and enjoy. They don't want to see this job go the way of NYPD. Sadly, there were a few guys who have been on out here for some time who could not stay with the team. They apparently are trying to serve their own interests. They wouldn't get turned down for other details if they stayed with their squad.

The trustees and squad delegates have to reinforce the contract with their people. Once is not enough. Guys also have to help their squadmates and set examples (take meals/ put in for missed meals/ draw extra CC#s to show how truly busy we really are). None of these things will get guys in trouble or hold them back from details.
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[PO3617]

I believe that you misunderstood the point that is being made. This is not whining and this is not about ditching adjoining sectors. If you try and clear and you get denied, no problem, no complaining, just document it and go handle your calls. This county's population is growing at an astronomical rate and we are not adding more sectors to handle it. If a cop doesn't get a meal he just hands an OT slip in for it. It is part of our contract. I find it difficult to believe that as an alumni you would tell any cop to ignore the contract, that cops such as yourself fought hard for us to get. All I am suggesting is that if OT slips start getting turned in maybe the higher ups will see the need to start turning out more sectors. This is not to say that everyone tries to clear a last hour meal at the same time, that is stupid. I also don't agree with birdie, that if the cop didn't clear in the first few hours because it was quiet and then was denied during the last few hours when it got busy then the OT slip doesn't get signed. Let's be smart about this, don't abuse the system, and start putting in those slips.
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[BossMan]

Birdie has a point. You can't have an entire squad going for an 18 during the last 3 hours of the tour. Generally, only one per zone will be granted, which means 4-5 hours to clear everyone. Considering limited last hours, this means that if everyone wants to get their meal, they have to start 2 or 3 hours into the tour.

Make no mistake, bosses don't mind signing missed meal overtime slips. Just remember...the owness is on them to supervise/manage their respective zone (this includes getting everyone relief, etc.). If a road sgt. is signing off on missed meal slips constantly, it will be apparent that they are not managing their little corner of the world properly.

[SCPD alumni]

I realize the contract provides for missed meal payment, and that the unions want everyone to abide by the contract to avoid the county taking advantage of the workforce. All well and good, and good intentions. However, supervisors have it in their power to give subordinates leeway in other areas (you all know what I mean), and most every effective supervisor I ever worked for used that discretion wisely to insure that their squad personnel remained happy. In other words, there is a two way street and a lot of give and take when it comes to the contract. Remember this-you really can't have it both ways (and I mean this for BOTH supervisors and PO's) One hand washes the other. If you want to construe the contract to the letter, go right ahead. But you must then expect the other side to do likewise. From that point on, everyone suffers. From a union standpoint, it is easy to demand everyone obey the contract whether they're happy or not, but in reality it is the majority who will suffer for the minority. Once the issue becomes an "Us vs Them" mentality there are no winners, only losers. I realize there will always be thickheaded supervisors that in their own quest for career glory will try and rule with an iron fist, but I'm sure they're outnumbered by the good, just as dedicated cops outnumber the cynics and do-nothings. Absolutely the most effective superior officers I have ever seen dealt with their subordinates fairly and with the respect they deserve. Again, this is a two way street. Cops who treat their superiors with disrespect and demand more than they give can expect the same in return. In my many years on the job, I have never, ever seen a supervisor who used strongarm tactics that ever amounted to a hill of beans in their career. In fact, they accomplish exactly the opposite of what they're trying to do by making subordinates unhappy, disgruntled, and ultimately unproductive. I really think if ALL supervisors were good managers there would be very few issues at all. Hats off to the people who realize you're all in this together, and who also realize that everyone suffers when there is dissension amongst the troops. It really is (was) a great job. Don't be so quick to become cynical and antagonistic---that's an easy trap to fall into. To the supervisors out there, don't be so quick to invoke your authority and remember to treat people with respect. There's an old cliche' that says "you'll catch more flies with sugar than vinegar". More importantly to all, stay safe and never lose your most important asset--your sense of humor.
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[preglock]

thats where we are headed, thnx to stevie, be glad u got out when u did. it is us vs. them, w/ the raod sup stuck in between
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[nypd alum]

couple days ago there must've been a domestic at my neighbors house, they rent their basement to a "nice" couple. when the cops got there, both were gone, the cops were 3 stout guys,smallest being about 200 lbs, next 250+, then a 300+ sgt. the guys stood there and talked for a couple minutes they seemed like good friends. the little boy that lived at the house hung out with them and they actually seemed glad to talk to him. all 3 were 35+ years old. not rookies by any means, yet they were truly happy to talk to each other and this little 4 year old. the 2 bigger guys left and the other po got back into his to write up his report, and the boy walked over to the car, this po actually let him in the car, let the boy jump all over the seats play with the mike, the po seemed to really enjoy the boy, obviously has a kid of his own. anyway whats my point? sometimes i forget, whatever problems the rest of suffolk has, these guys didnt seem to be suffering from it. you have 3 guys show up for a routine domestic, 1 being a boss? then to see them treat the boy like 1 of the guys, most cops barely even say hi to the kids anymore... great work guys. you made me proud of the local 6th pct cops

[ThreeTen]

Are guys really staring to have a problem with the blockheads? I know they have been having radio trouble for a long time. The posters were very funny in the pct! Are the bosses staring to wake up or will it be business as usual?
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[not in 310]

for those of us not in the 3rd, who or what are blockheads?

[finally]

Staying in service bacause it's busy is not a valid reason not to make a DWI arrest. A DWI arrest is always a good arrest.

[blockhead]

this is a blockhead?

[ThreeTen]

Cars are being shut down again! Thanks for jeopardizing everyone's safety inspector!!!!
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[you know what to do]

Some of the funniest material I've seen on walls in some time. Maybe we should get some "miracle ear" ads up to back up the blockheads. How many times must hq call them? Their act is very old. Hq will pass off their calls to other units who actually answer the radio. They also like to hold calls for as long as 1hour and 15 minutes. Supervision hears the complaint but does little/nothing to correct the problem.

Cars are being shut down again? which ones? It's posting time again!!!

[Jakes Dad]

321 was shut down at 3am on the night of the hostage situation on Connetquote Ave. Five cars were tied up over there(305, 307, 309, 320, 306a) and yet it was great idea to shut down 321! That left 308 with the entire 337 zone. Some really good police management tactics! Are taxpayers going to get a tax refund when their sector cars are shut down? What about our safety inspector? What about the public's safety inspector? What's a life worth in dollar amount inspector?
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[culloden1745]

of course newsday doesnt have anything on that. is that at least a delta car? whats the population exposed to this? taxpayers should be informed.not that they care.
i had a breath tech tell me how bad things are over there, his boss pulled him off a 10 where 1 party was 511,512,319, etc, he informed hq of o/t because of impound, his boss denied o/t, on the air, this skell goes off and runs some one over this boss is on the air giving him a denial. i guess there is hope for me to be made, you dont have to actually have any common sense just pass a test to be a boss
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[scpd patrol]

321 is a single unit that covers the Central Islip/ Hauppauge community. On the midnights, it also covers a portion of Brentwood.

Was the car shut down at 0300 because no one could be found to work it, or was it shut down via the Inspector?

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[Jakes Dad]

The inspector is angry about 301 time, therefore he is shutting cars down again at 0300.
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[bangers hash]

the only answer to that tactic is to start banging in more

[911]

to the cop that saved the kid too bad newsday did not print your name. thats f#$ked up. you earned your paycheck last nite bro

[TBAW]

The irony of your post did not escape me. Those overweight, overpaid cops (the Sgt. is required to respond to any domestic involving violence or threat of same) played with the little child instead of doing 'the real job', correct? The problem here, my friend, is that those cops don't work in NYC. We have the time to give people their due, nonsense or not. Put your blinders back on and go back to being disgruntled at YOUR underpaid, corrupt, job and quit the fancy commentary. I know you, and your not as smart as you think.........
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[you are on a roll]

we got bigger guns out here

[scpd patrol]

Great job saving the 14 year old's life the other night, PO Keenan!! I hope the job does a better job of getting out the word to the public! News 12 had his name out on the air.

Why do we have a PIB? Many times good work is performed on a daily basis by our members, but is not put out to the public. What ever happened to media relations? If the press won't include officers names for the many good things we shouldn't give out officers names for some of the few bad things!
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[Media]

The PC dissolved PIB. Guess he felt that positive media/public relations weren't as important as recouping 3 PO spots

[tip o the day]

everyone getting that on their mdc? i hope its not just me.who brainstormed that up? how about some real tips... how to stretch another day out of your blues, not to have a smelly vest, what restaurant in the area is the best.. important tips like that

[scpd patrol]

The last post had me

I wonder how long the "thought of the day" will continue.

Here's one: "The use of Febreeze will extend one's uniform by 1 day"
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[tip o the day]

when issuing a 511/512 be sure to issue an companion 340a but do not confiscate the license/plates thereby keeping the ball in play

[ten fo]

you see the 1 yesterday about a follow up visit,"yeah hq hold me out to riverhead jail reference a follow up visit with my vop 32 from tuesday"

[scpd patrol]

"hold me out to yesterday's i/l to follow up with his old lady" uh -oh
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[tip o the day]

when called to above at or around 1400, be sure to get all pertinent, info . because of the probability of a court appearance take your time on the pdcs 1053a, rather than rush to complete prior to ambulance leaving for hospital. upon completion hold yourself out to said hospital, after both cars are removed from the scene. if victims went to separate hospitals go to both to drop off all paperwork. promptly call in your time, minimum 1520, hold yourself out to your 43, promptly fill out your pdcs 2001i for 2 1/4.

[money for nothing]

at 1520 you still have to hit 1546, drive carefully, if the cad is backed up do dispatch a favor clear a 73, or a anon 17 of quads, guaranteeing the magic number.
scpd patrols i aint touching that one. id expect another dissertation from county resident on how we arent supposed to be getting it on in uniform and while we are payed?
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[county resident]

something like this;
paste.....paste.......paste.......paste..........p aste
are you inferring scpd patrol that our highly trained, respected, officers are committing adultery while on duty? i doubt the tax payers would approve if they knew their hard earned money is going to a police officer having sexual intercourse with a married woman.(especially if it was their wife). this is why i should be in charge of the ccrb.
is this something you have 1st hand knowledge of scpd patrol? or are you merely jesting at the taxpayers expense? dont you know reading stuff like makes me go nuts,i just had to take 5 lithium pills to calm down enough to paste your post.
all i really want is for all scpd to feel guilty for how well off they are, and how miserable i am. i pay your salary, well you guys split up the 400.00 i pay between all 3000 of you plus the 500 civilians. if i moved off l.i. you guys definitely would feel the loss.
anyway just do what i say here in my posts, that would make me happy, then i would like you guys, well maybe a little, you still should not have any discretion.
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[tip o the day]

not 1520, tip o' the day meant 1620

[scpd patrol]

We have been receiving daily e-mails from some where in HQ. Some are referring to them as the tip of the day. one of the tips was along the line of "Why not follow up on a recent call, it's good public relations" That's what prompted my posting. Nothing more, nothing less.
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[scpd patrol]

Make sure you complete ALL paperwork at work. We do not do homework. If your assignment carries into OT, so be it. Do your paperwork then go off duty. ( I've been seeing guys going home and then doing the paperwork the next day--that's not a good thing)
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[dadaland]

Are you that naive to truly believe that any one man that is highly respected and in a good position is not capable of committing adultery when it suits him?

Our local married COPE officer has been hooking up with his Ho on the job for all long as he can do it because he has nothing to do all damn day long but sit on his ass and then be home on time to have dinner with his wife.

[now look what you started]

I should have known better. Thought it was good cop humor. Others, I guess cannot handle a joke like that.

[county residue]

it was me pretending to be the real county resident. im pretty good huh? fooled ya it had to be the paste job
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[tip o the day]

always run out of state licensee's name in state system, 90% chance he has 2 license + ny license is 511.

[scpd patrol]

Good tip, I have found that to be very true!
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[v and t]

for having more than 1 license?

[tip o the day]

was tomorrows tip now you gotta think of 1

[scpd patrol]

The local letter carriier (mailman) can be a valuable source of information when looking for a wanted subject. They are usually familiar with who is around during different times on their route.
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[money for nothing]

thats too similar to the make friends with the local principal tip from last week on the mdc.
how about:
people judge you by your radio voice, no matter how hairy a call is, or how mundane always use the same voice, like ordering burger king at the drivethru.
if you think you're going to scream like a girl, (even if you are a girl) stop, take a real deep breath, exhale then talk in the calmest voice possible.
if you sound like a 10-1 on every call people are going to start having fun at ur expense
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[tip o the day]

if dispatch puts out a call on the blind, of anything say male with rectal bleeding/exposing/lewd act type call do not be the first to answer up for it, even if its yours. let dispatch assign it, certainly save your reputation

[scpd patrol]

I like the tip regarding the radio voice. very important.
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[SCPD alumni]

Make good use of the PDCS 1018 report. Fill them out every time you suspect someone of illegal activity but don't have enough for an arrest. These reports become an extremely valuable tool when dealing with or investigating that person in the future, for both uniform and the Det's. Highly underrated, these reports only take a few minutes to complete, and create a powerful database that is useful in any number of ways. One of these reports saved my butt in a civil suit brought by an "upstanding citizen" who had never been arrested, but had numerous encounters with the police that were well documented by field interrogation reports. Stay safe.
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[tip o the day]

never write a summons/ make a arrest that you'd be embarassed to testify to.
i.e. if someone tells you a story, and its a tear jerker, and you have no prior history with this person, give him/her a break, theres always tomorrow, and the next car.
however this only works if u can see thru the b/s. officer" i never drive but i have to get to the hospital for my kids cancer treatment".
if u hit that 35 tomorrow will u see that same car again? if so write it everything u can think of.
sorry this one got too long

[Once]

When entering an house or apartment and situation is a little heated lock the deadbolt while door is open so door will not lock if backup is needed.

[tip of the day]

sadly this tip is based on the death of po ed hernandez, #3444
never leave your house with unsettled business. if you are mad or in a fight with a loved one try to settle it. if it is too complex call a truce, kiss,hug say goodbye as you normally would.
be sure to say goodbye to all family members, if they are fortuneate enough to be sleeping when you leave kiss them.
always remember, this could be your last day of work. dont leave your family with the guilt of being mad at each other, or not saying goodbye.
may you rest in peace edwin

[well said]

Probably the BEST post I have ever read!
May P.O. Hernandez and his family always be watched over!

[tip o the day]

2 types of calls you go b*lls out,
assist another p.o. on or off duty
any call with injury, especially children, this includes the missing calls
in this group you will also have non priority calls man with rash, stuff like that
any other call, crime in progress does not warrant you hurting yourself, its just property, just material stuff.
any alarm call likewise, silent, panic, etc

[scpd patrol]

Safety, safety,safety!

Always trust your gut instinct! If you get the feeling something's not right, you are most likely right! There's nothing wrong with asking for an assist.

Vehicle maintenance is also very important. If your unit has a problem, put it out of service! Do not jeopardize your safety and that of the public. Not enough spare cars? Double up, ask for an unused COPE or Sgt/ Lt. unit, but please don't continue to operate yours until repaired. STAY SAFE
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[Tim3214]

If your in cope and you hear an 85 or 17 edp come over the radio. GO! Don't worry you will have plenty of time for v+t's later. You may even help a sector car from getting hurt. I too many times pass a cope car who's on a v+t 2 blocks from a heavy call. My tip is if your from cope do the right thing and give up that tail light or yes even 511 and help your fellow officers. Don't worry you'll still get to crime control!

[1192]

In light of recent events a good tip is to never operate a marked or unmarked department auto with a BAC exceeding 0.6

[huh]

WTF is that supposed to mean A-hole?

[tip o the day]

never be intimidated by a civilian stating they are going to complain. as soon as you are off probation, and you are acting in good faith, never change your actions based on the fact that you are going to get a civilian complaint.period.
as long as you can explain what you did and why you did it, you will be fine. you can even make a mistake, as long as it is reasonable, you are ok.
never not arrest or issue summons because of a civilian complaint. if someone states that they are going to complain, in fact, you should go by the pl/ r+ps . you can not show any discretion whatsoever. that means the guy/ gal who is 511,512,319, 402, and says "you just pulling me over because i am ______", whatever, at that point you must impound the car take the plates and license, and issue all appropriate summons. this way if you are checked by iab, you acted as per procedure.dont call a boss out if the civilian wants 1, only to cya
remember think b4 u speak, keep cursing to minimum, never use derogatory terms, that is where you'll get hung up.
i once had a civilian comp. because a women stated i threatened to f'ing shoot her child, a 23 y/o man. the reality was i didnt threaten, i said drop the f'ing knife or i will shoot you. if i left out the f it would have been less paperwork

[pehole]

100% true. if your going to have to answer civilian complaint lock them up. at least get a stat out of it. go by the book, no breaks, anything you do can be scrutizined by iab. no losing the roach you found, certainly in the tip's scenario, impound+ confiscate, dont let him drive away. and no fat, do a summary arrest, an fat might appear that you were scared to bring him into the pct, where a supervisor would interview him. immediately after incident take good notes,on a pdsc form, date and time it, this way if it goes bad that can be rosario.
dont hesitate to call a supervisor, they're on your side, and they wont be p'off that something happened and you failed to let them know, common theme, dont act like you're hiding something, be honest, you are authorized to use force or arrest, you just have to articulate your reasons.

[tip of the day]

in light of the post yesterday, from 1192, expect some losers to start similar rumors, its always going to ge a friend of a friend of somene that was there at the 10. or saw him in a bar. same thing happened to my brother in the midwest, problem here is all the miserable f"cks who cann post anon, any chance to get a shot in. dont let it upset you. how many turned out for ed's service? whoever you are when its your turn, you'll be lucky if anyone claims your body

[Question]

I'm not in highway, and don't claim to know a lot about your PD's. But, word is that they determined that PO Hernandez had his siren on when he crashed (whether doing a stop or otherwise I don't know). Now, if the siren was on, doesn't that trigger the camera in the highway units, or is it manual. If it's auto triggered, we should know a lot more about what happened. Just curious.
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[tip o the day]

sorry just read my post. sounds like it was my brother that crashed. it was my brother's town it happened in

[to question]

the tip of the day, rumors, rumors, rumors the people who know aint talking, whatever u hear is probably as reliable as any other rumor or inside info u get here. believe 1/2 of what u see and none of what u hear

[tip o the day]

when processing a 1192, mr taxpayer gets 1 chance at taking test, . if at pct, perp changes mind too bad. he is playing games, if you get a robust .2 or better maybe let him take it. dont be afraid of refusal hearing they're 50% noshows.
if perp agrees and sd2 reads below .12 expedite matters. remember they changed dwi,but not dwai.

[po 5700 plus]

what happened w/ the dwai, they never changed it to match the dwi,can someone explain that?

[tip of the day]

bolo cars that are owned by people w/ 1940 or older dob
seems that it is very easy to register a car to a expired or catatonic relative. the few that caught my eye have 20-25 yos driving w/ 511 or no license. if you yank a few surely you'll have same success

[blahblah]

make sure you go home everyday. u must win, this isnt a game you must win or you die like lt. brooks, a seasoned vet,hes been doing this since i was in 1st grade. did everything right and still god took him, he lost.
make sure the guy working with or next to you goes home every day.dont be complacent, be aggressive. dont be caught flat-footed always have a way out... in a unit or on foot,have a avenue of escape.if you dont have a way out you must be prepared to fight. to fight to win. always have a plan to kill the person talking to you. we are authorized to use deadly force. last resort..no last resort is you not going home. do whatever it takes. to the democrats or any one else shocked by this; save it, walk a day in our shoes... if you could. you would agree.

[Blueman Group]

Never under any circumstances eat a powdered donut while in uniform.

[tip o the day]

when dispatched to a call not in your sector, or far into someone elses, do not say "10-4 from a distance, or from 2 hamlets away" no one cares. this applies even more when the adjoining sectors are all on a call/ 10-18. just go. save the drama/ guilt trip, dont sound so whiny, plus it kills your reputation. if the guy next to you can break he will if not, thats what you get paid for

[OnPatrol]

That might be a good point for the 3rd pct, but when you work in one of the east pcts and you sector is 12-square miles in size, the next sector away can take you 10 minutes or more to get to lights and sirens, especially during rush hour. So when some inexperienced dispatcher tells you that your the "nearest car available", and you kow there are a lot of other cars that you know are closer, it might be a good idea to let everyone know where you're coming from.Especially if it's a CPR call or an MVA with PI. There's also no reason for a PO to go that far for an alarm either. If you're going to say "from a distance", it needs to be for a good reason. ( And NO, I"m not exaggerating about the sizes of sectors, the distances, or how long it can take to get places in the east pcts. I've gone a week without seeing some of the people who work the cars next to me )

[tipster]

i've worked the 6th.i know how big it is. ive lived in the 5th, now in the 7th.
you're dispatched you go. if someone is closer, they should offer up, if its their sector, they should go. if not,switch them down, email them. problem is someone with a 5300 tin hears you say give your 35, they do it for every 73.
it also works if you are 3 sectors away,and you offer up for priority 1 call, all the closer units should feel shamed that you have to go that far, they end up going

[tip o the day]

if you are on a car stop, the vehicle has kids in it, be wary of what you say, certainly if the person only violated the vtl, no reckless, suspensions, and the like, go lite on the paper, kids look up to their parents, you dont want to be a heel, never berate the parent in front of the child, take them to the side, away from the child

[Blueman Group]

Always get a spare key made for your unit and keep it on your person in case you lose the original or lock it in the car accidentally.

[tip o the day]

know you equipment section. the 375 section covers the car bumper to bumper. literally. this is your key to making a questionable carstop stick. you might know via the mdc, mr taxpayer is 511, or has warrants, but what is the reason for the stop? window tint, obstructed plate, this is your bible.

[tip o the day]

If you are gonna flake a perp for CPCS and need a little blow to do it w/ you can always ask the CO to dip into his personal stash to cover your arrest.

[soda deprived]

thats a negative, he wont even share with the other bosses, let alone a sector car

[tup o the day]

when you 38 a call just 38 it unless it is a 86, 85, no 1 cares if it is a 145.00 or a 120.30. no 1 is "marking the call" anything. you are just clogging the radio with useless info. other people may be waiting to 38 theirs, or, far more importantlty, ask for assistance

[lawdude]

Your job is to serve the taxpayers and communities that pay your salary. Yes we all want to go home every day, that doesn't meen hanging out at the 43 all day hiding. Your a Police Officer. For $100,00 a year most people would pick up dog @#%$ with their hands. Instead some guys think the more I get paid the more important I must be and the less I should do. You are complaining about having to pick up an extra call or two because the rookies are making an arrest or doing v&t, learning their jobs, paperwork, etc. They will lose their steam in time and settle in. Stop your whining and think about what your getting paid for. Wait, think of it from the taxpayers point of view, or what your spouse thinks your really doing out there, WORKING.

[lawdude, yawn]

dont turn into a mayor. that means do not get involved in petty neighborhood problems. do not grab the kids on their minibikes. do not "solve" the neighbor's disputes, fences, leaves and the like. do not take action when your neighbor comes to you with a problem like those.
you certainly can give advice, but remember, you do it once, and it becomes expected.
this by no way means dont call a burg, or a accident in, or get involved with a serious crime, local cop getting a beating. just the petty stuff. remember people in your neighborhood know where you live, who your family is. you dont want to put them at risk because you like playing cop.

[scpd01]

Gee how does a Female Officer in the 320 car get away with all sorts of stuff..Gee are the bosses afraid???

[sicksten sqd 5]

talk to our squad one about their winner.at least she's a spare body, screws everyone equally. sad there are 2 quality guys from the class after her that might not get a car until after she does. probably even the ppos should get a car before her.

[yeah we got her]

nickname 12-18 cleared a 12 to pba office

[money for nothing]

thats the way it goes. there are the few,sadly and they give the females that work hard a bad name, who use their "tools" to get ahead. stay away from these world class bimbos, in 10 years, no 1 will pay any attention to them. they'll be like last years porno mags. all used up, shriveled and the pages will stick together
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[sicksten]

10-4, but this 1 is fugly, think shes 45 y/o no one can stand her, not even the bosses, and she aint doing nothing for them anyhow. but she still does whatever she wants. good tip of the day, dont clear a 12 to the car wash until you're in 1. everytime im on o/t shes getting the pd cleaned.

[Svorkin]

Quote: dont turn into a mayor. that means do not get involved in petty neighborhood problems. do not grab the kids on their minibikes. do not "solve" the neighbor's disputes, fences, leaves and the like. do not take action when your neighbor comes to you with a problem like those.
you certainly can give advice, but remember, you do it once, and it becomes expected.
this by no way means dont call a burg, or a accident in, or get involved with a serious crime, local cop getting a beating. just the petty stuff. remember people in your neighborhood know where you live, who your family is. you dont want to put them at risk because you like playing cop.

I hate civilians too. Thanks for bashing them for me.

[tip of the day]

as a ppo remember everyone is watching you. you need to get enough paper to satisfy the bosses, go 32 when possible.this is probably the easiest part of the job for anyone.
just as important pick up calls,not just 73s either. back up your neighbors. when you are 26d unit show up on 85s. relieve sectors on tlms, road closures etc. pick up the call hanging so your neighbor can clear a meal. whether or not the shirts are listening, the other cars are.

[tip of the day]

the tip of the day in regards to neighbors is meant for law enforcement only. anyone else disregard, you dont understand.
you would not want to be assigned your neighborhood as a post,dont be a cop in your neighborhood off duty. perhaps i should have added this line; when asked by your neighbors to take police action quickly refer them to your local law enforcement agency.when offduty dont be a cop to your neighbors just be a good neighbor. anyone who doesnt understand or no longer likes you is a jacka.. anyway. they were just using you, dont care about you or the problems you would face.

[tip o the day]

whats important
sadly this tip is based on the death of Det. Bobby Parker and Patrick Rafferty.
never leave your house with unsettled business. if you are mad or in a fight with a loved one try to settle it. if it is too complex call a truce, kiss,hug say goodbye as you normally would.
be sure to say goodbye to all family members, if they are fortuneate enough to be sleeping when you leave kiss them.
always remember, this could be your last day of work. dont leave your family with the guilt of being mad at each other, or not saying goodbye.
may you rest in peace Patrick Rafferty, Bobby Parker
god bless, you've made us proud to be cops

[Nice]

remember the 1st time i read that for hernandez
still hits home
god bless
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