SCPD/SCSD Salaries

[theseanspecial]

Could anybody tell me what the Deputy Sheriff's make in comparison to the Suffolk Police? Are the two even close or do the Deputies not even come close? I took the Sheriff's exam back in January and still waiting for the results to be released.

Does anybody also have any info on when they'd start to pick from the new list and how many their looking to hire?

I just found this board alittle while ago and there seems to be some great information that can be found here. I would've just posted this in the original Suffolk County Sheriff's thread, but that thread seems to have turned into some kinda wacky name calling contest. So, here's to a new start.

Thanks everybody!
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[ischkabittle]

I,m pretty sure with the SCPD on rotating shift with all their benefits and allowances they make just over one hundred grand. I believe the Deputies are in the area of about $70,000 or there abouts. I'm a C/O and our pay is comparable to the Deps. I will say this though, if given the option I would take the Deps. They're a smaller group. From my experience they are the most professional out of the bunch and they seem to be pretty tight. Also with the Deputies you have to add on the use of the cars. That alone has got to save $10,000 a year. They seem to get a decent amount of overtime and they have a pretty good group of supervisors. My wife is a Dep and she loves it. The Deps also recently got binding arbitration. I don't think you'll see their pay rise to the level of the SCPD but they have a pretty good argument for a sizeable pay raise.
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[culloden1745]

scpd is actualyy about 112,000. no question sherriffs have better gig though, its about what u want to do scpd u can go anywhere u want w/ some work scsd is more limited but u can make 100,000 w o/t
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[awwwww]

No patti, its dealing with nasty,whining, dirty, crack-hos, who dont even know the names of their children's father(s). that makes them mean. ot makes them happy....

[Ive Learned]

I have learned the following from ChattiPatti - Patricia Cantore:

EDPs should not be allowed access to computers with internet connections.

Thanks for the lesson.

[ischkabittle]

Tell me Chatti, how was your little stay at the Riverhead Jail? Did you chill your milk in the toilet bowl like the rest of the skids? HeHeHe
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[SuffolkCO]

Take the Deputy job. 5 less years and plenty of fresh air. I'm a C/O, doing just fine, but if given a choice when I was younger I'd of opted to be able to retire earlier. Plus, working in a correctional facility is not for everyone, especially with those 'Patti" types in abundance.
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[ChrisF202]

Ive always thaught of becoming a deputy sheriff here (which is why I ask so many questions about them lol) or even running for sheriff. I got a few questions:

1) How much does the sheriff himself get paid?
2) Is the work of a deputy sheriff any more dangerous then that of a SCPD officer?
3) Are there many opportunities for advancement in the SCSD? Like do I have to be a deputy for 10 years before I have the opportunity to take the sergeant (or w/e comes after deputy) exam or can I take the test sooner?
4) Do deputies respond to 911 calls and carry out regular police work?
5) What other things could I do besides courthouse work, prisoner transportation and civil enforcement?
6) What is the base salary for every promotable rank in the force?

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[Dep]

You can take a promotional exam as soon as it's given but must spend 2 years in each rank before being eligible for promotion, the majority of jobs are what you mentioned but there are plenty of others such as investigative work in several different units and the domestic violence unit who respond to domestic complaints and serve orders of protection. Each rank goes up in salary about 15 %
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[theseanspecial]

I've often wondered the same kind of questions myself. I dunno if this is 100% correct or not, but I think the Sheriff's either use or listen in to the SCPD radio system...so if they hear something and they happen to be close enough, a Dep can respond to a call if he wants to. Also even though it's not in there immediate job, if they see something suspicious with a car on the highway or anywhere else, see somebody speeding, ect ect...they can pull it over too. I think that's also one of the ways they make overtime, but I'm not sure. From what I understand though, they can do that kinda stuff too, but it's just not one of their main priorities.

Just a reminder also that if anybody also has any info on when they'd start to pick from the new list that's supposed to be released soon (hopefully) and how many deputies are they looking to hire from that list?

Thanks!

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[Shaggy]

A group of new deps just got sworn in this past Monday, so don't wait for your canvas letter to arrive any time soon.

[Rin Tin Tin]

Hey crackbabe, why is it that each and every LEO that you come in contact with abuses you?

Why doesn't this happen to anybody else, babe?

The reason seems pretty obvious to the rest of us.
How do you expect the world to believe that there is a conspiracy of abuse against only YOU, babe?

What's your feeling regarding alien abductions babe?

We all want to know. We think you're a very curious specimen. What kind of a pickup truck do you drive babe?

[ChattiPatti]

I have no criminal history. When discussing the incident with PD outside Suffolk, (those who believe every word I claim) it has been concluded that JUSTO RIVERA set it up for the abuse since he felt I didn't respect him. I bet the deps didn't know he was a rapist?
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[ChattiPatti]

I noticed that you responded & used the same subject line as I. What does your post have to do with mine? Sheriffs think theyre above the law too meanwhile they're the lowest form of law enforcement.
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[Hey Chris]

But try to limit the statement of fact, because you are so often mistaken.

Sheriffs are most often elected, however, one only has to look to Nassau County to find a Sheriff that is appointed (by the County Executive).

All ranks in the Suffolk County Sheriff's Office are Civil Service titles, with the exception of the two Under Sheriffs. This would include the three chiefs - Chief Deputy Sheriff, Chief of Staff and Warden.

Keep your eyes open - and your keyboard quiet.

[theseanspecial]

..have stayed in the other thread?
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[theseanspecial]

I meant the tired 6th grade antics, not the actual real discussions and questions about the department.

Thanks.
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[ChrisF202]

I never knew Nassau County Sheriff was appointed. Some other places where the sheriffs are appointed is Hawaii and Rhode Island, I did find that most of the 30,000 sheriff's in the US are elected. When I said sheriffs were elected I ment in general as in general, most are. I was also suprised to learn that Suffolk County deputy sheriff's were appointed by the sheriff till 1969 when it became civil service title, must have been a very small agency until then. Ill try to do more research on law enforcement organization, operations, etc from now on but its very difficult as it varies by the agency (of which there are about 30 in Suffolk County alone).
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[culloden1745]

deps have their own channel they very rarely go to police calls unless its heavy /and they are nearby, likewise w/ us. alot of times they'll roll up on our accidents/dms
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[NODEP]

SCSO has 4 Chiefs not 3.
Chief of communications too.

[Dep]

Chief of communications?? I don't think so. There are actually only 2 chiefs, chief of staff and chief deputy, the warden isn't a chief by title and the person in charge of communications is a civilian whose title is chief public safety dispatcher but is hardly considered a chief.
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[Chief Or Not]

They all wear two stars. I wouldn't try telling "the other one" that he ain't a real chief!

[theseanspecial]

From looking at the Sheriff's website through the county, and from the scdsba website, it appears that there is a really wide range of different types of work within different divisons of the Sheriff's department that you could work in.

Once swore in as a Deputy, do you have the ability to try to put in for a certain type of job (given the availability of course) or do they just assign you to a certain job like the Domestic Violence Unit or the Suffolk County Airport Patrol and that's that. Personally for me, I'd really like to work in the Civil Bureau which from what I understand also fields some Vehicle and Traffic enforcement. OR is it a situation where you could be working one thing one week or month and get put somewhere else the next week/month?

Just trying to find out as much as possible. Thanks!
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[JustPassingThrough]

I was just passing through this board, and to be honest, I don't care one way or another about the deps. Don't especially love em, do have a problem with them either. The reason that I say this is that, with knowing nothing of your situation Patti, except for only what YOU have stated, you are insane. I'm just Joe Citizen. I'm not on the job, don't plan to be, don't know anyone who is. However, I have never heard of anyone who was more determined than you to blame everyone but yourself. If, and I mean IF, any of this actually happened, and ALL of these people treated you so horribly, don't you think that you might be the problem? The cops, the deps, and I'm sure you have a conspiracy theory about your probation officer. If all of these separate groups of people, who in reality have nothing to do with each other, all have issues with one person, that leads an unbiased observer to believe that the individual MUST be the problem. If you were "abused" or "mistreated", could you possibly have earned it? There is absolutely no way that the entire SCPD and SCSD are out to get you. You really need to take a deep breath, step away from the computer, then come back and read what you have been writing. Pretend that you didn't write it. Then evaluate it to see if these are the thoughts of a rational person.

Medication is the answer Patti, go see a doctor.

[JustPassingThrough]

At the top of my last post, I meant to say that I DON'T have a problem with the deps either, not I do. Typo, sorry guys. Now I seem as crazy as her.

[culloden1745]

i've also seen scsd k-9, and was relieved on an election detail by a scsd motorcyle guy. you got to put your time in this guys got like 20 years on.
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[Observer]

Its SCSO not SCSD.
Its sheriffs office not department. The SCSO is a seperate part of county government, the Sheriff is elected meaning him and his office do not answer to the CE, now if he was appointed like the police commisioner then hed be another Levy lackey.
He is also the highest LEO in the county as well as the Deps being the highest law officers, there are some jobs the deps do that po's can not.

Heres a break down of the various jobs:
Headquarters unit
Civil enforcement bureau
Domestic violence unit
Warrant squad
Criminal investigatons
Marine unit
Motorcycle unit
Suffolk Cnty Airport patrol
K-9 unit
District court detention

Think i got them all........

All Deputies, no matter where they are assigned CAN enforce ALL laws and arrest you for the same.Its not limited to one unit.


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[ChrisF202]

1) If, or when the Sheriff absorbs the Suffolk County Park Police will they create another unit called Parks Bureau or something along those lines?

2) I have heard rumors (on this forum) that the SCPD Highway Patrol Bureau will be dissolved and deputies will take up its functions, is this true?

3) What are the chances (god forbid) of the Suffolk County Sheriff being merged into the SCPD? If I become a dep, i dont want to have to deal with the SCPD bureaucracy and rules, such as being told I cant do this or that "to save money". Hopefully this is something that will never happen. This type of merger has happend/ or has been proposed in several places, such as Las Vegas NV or San Fancisco CA and some parts of Virginia and Maryland.
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[Observer]

Could the SO absorb the park police ? Yeah probably.
Will it happen ? Very doubtful.
As far as highway, just a nasty rumor. The deps, i'm sure, would not want to take away from the PD. Nor do they have the resources to handle such a function.
Technically if SCPD were to give up highway State Police should take over that function it really is not in the job purpose of a SO, same could be said for Park PD.
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[tourist]

"I don't want to have to deal with the SCPD bureaucracy and rules, such as being told I can't do this or that 'to save money'."

Kid - if that's how you feel, you're going to have a difficult adjustment to the business world - for both private or public sectors.

Maybe you should look for a job in the Roslyn public school system.

[theseanspecial]

First off thanks for the info observer. Now, I'm aware that the Deps can enforce all the NYS laws and if they see you doing something illegal anywhere, they can arrest you just the same. I was just wondering if you had any say at all in what unit you wanted to work in. Obviously if they want to assign you to Airport Control for example, then that's simply what you do. Could you however "put in" to work the Warrant Squad for another example, or is it a case where you work where you're needed.
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[its just a name]

"the other one" or warden is of equal rank to the other chiefs it's just that he is never referred to as chief the main point I was trying to make is that the "chief" of communications is not considered a chief and doesn't have a rank as the others do as he is a civilian.

[BLUEBOY]

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT KNOW THIS SCUM OF A PERSON IS A CRACK WHORE, AND THE SISTER OF TWANA BRAWLEY AND WE ALL KNOW HER STORY TURNED OUT , WHY DONT U FINSISH THAT BOTTLE OF PILLS, NEXT TIME.

[theseanspecial]

Stop feeding the troll.
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[ChattiPatti]

"If you were "abused" or "mistreated", could you possibly have earned it?"

Earned abuse? Your most likely a sheriff or police officer who is accustomed to this type of bullying.

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO INFLICT HARM ON ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY FEEL THE OTHER PERSON "EARNED IT".

"There is absolutely no way that the entire SCPD and SCSD are out to get you."

The SCPD & SCSD bully anyone who makes a complaint and follows through with civil suits. In fact I have contacted with a few women who were in similar situations and dropped charges due to the harrassment and stalking. (I simply take descritions & plate #'s then send to appropriate persons) If you find that hard to believe dont; come crying to me someday when your dealing with people who feel the'ye ABOVE THE LAW and HOLIER-THAN-THOU. They need to put more effort into apprehending real criminals instead of bullying those who they can, because they can.

SEAN? You are exactly whats wrong with Law Enforcement these days. The county continues to recruit young bullies on a power trip. Wonder how many pass their psych exam and how many get in because they know someone........Maaaaaaama
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[ChattiPatti]

Justpassing through seems to feel others think we're "crazy" when we make a typo. What a low self esteem you have justpassgthrough. Goes hand and hand with a bully's personality.
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[culloden1745]

the whole highway thing was levys doing he was playing games w/ the state over funding. he wanted more money for the state roads that suffolk pd patrolled. he threatened to pull pd off + replace w/ deps. of course there were all kinds of contractual issues involved, so when it fell through he had the unions to blame as usual. didnt hear anything about park police. that would be a shame. those guys are underpaid though maybe they'd get bumped up a bit. most of them are very highly trained (hammers)
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[Who Cares]

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[ChrisF202]

Howcome the Sheriff's website says Suffolk County Sheriff's Office, but the shoulder patch (www.pdworks.com/suffolk/s...heriff.jpg ) says Suffolk County Sheriff's Dept. Has the name changed since all this info was posted online? Also, whenever they talk about the Sheriff in the news (espically News12 and Newsday) its always Suffolk County Sheriff's Dept. Edited by: ChrisF202 at: 6/13/04 10:10 am

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[WackyPatti]

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO INFLICT HARM ON ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY FEEL THE OTHER PERSON "EARNED IT".

Once again, Patricia, you have shot yourself in the foot - You assaulted your daughter!! Did you feel she "earned it"?

Just shut up, no one believes you or wants to here it!!

[Hey Chris]

The name of Suffolk County Sheriff's Office was changed shortly after Sheriff Tisch assumed the position.

The term "Department" indicates that it is a subdivision of a larger whole - i.e., the Police Department is under the control, or umbrella, of the County Executive. It is more proper that an elected official, who answers to the voters, have his unit of government referred to as "Office".

The web site you took the photo from lists a copyright date of 1992 and 1997, and it is of unknown origin. The Sheriff authorizes the content of the Office web page. I would think it would be obvious which source to believe.

[theseanspecial]

Unless if I'm mistaken, I think that with the SCPD there is the option of working part time as oppose to full time. If so, can the same be said for the SCSO? Or are all the deputies that work there full time? What is the usual work day/week for a deputy sheriff?
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[ChrisF202]

Thanks for the civilized reply lol, Sean's post brings me to another question; are deputy sheriff's on the road 24/7/365. Ive seen them on Christmas Day and Thanksgiving so they must work holidays, like SCPD. Sean, I found this link, its from 1998 though; www.criminaljustice.state...sonnel.htm and according to the site, there were no part time sworn officers for either the SCPD or Suffolk County Sheriff at the time, though some of the town/village forces in both Nassau and Suffolk do, the whole Head of the Harbor force is part time.
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[ChattiPatti]

Shaddup you friggen loser. Your not makin any sense.
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[Rin Tin Tin]

Patti, look who's calling the kettle black.

Hmmmm. You got arrested for assault, yes?

Why did YOU assault your own baby girl?

[ChrisF202]

x5-x5-x5-x5-x5-, please, for the sake of humanity, ban this lady. I just want to have civilized dicussions about law enforcement without her coming in and spreading her mindless filth.
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[JustPassinThrough]

Your last reply to me: "If you find that hard to believe dont; come crying to me someday when your dealing with people who feel the'ye ABOVE THE LAW and HOLIER-THAN-THOU. They need to put more effort into apprehending real criminals instead of bullying those who they can, because they can"

I have had to deal with the police before, and I have never been treated in anything but a proffessional way. Never has the term bully come into my mind. Because I'm polite, and I know better than to mouth off or LOOK to have a problem. When I get stopped for speeding, I know I was, and I apologize to the officer when he comes up to the car. And as such, I've never seen a police officer verbally abuse me. I screwed up, not him.

And there's only a few situations where a cop has the right to use physical force against you: To prevent you from using physical force against someone else (your daughter), or if you assault the police officer(s) first. And if that's the case, then god bless them I hope they crack your skull open. You do not have a right to beat your kid in your home. They do have a right to come "barging in", because they were called to help. You do not have a right to resist arrest. If they cannot arrest you because you're resisting, then they MUST use force to make you comply. What kind of world would this be if they just said "oh well, she doesn't want to do what we tell her... I guess we have to let her go". This is a society that has laws, and we need people to enforce those laws to protect society from people like you.

And THAT is what I meant by you earned it. I'm assuming you're not a child, and as such, you should know how to play by the rules. Thousands of people get arrested in Suffolk County every year, and though I'm not aware of any formal study, I'll bet most of them don't get hurt or "abused" in the process. Because they screwed up, they know it, and they accept the consequences. They comply with the police officers orders, and move on with their lives. If you can't do that, then again, you are the problem.

And no, I'm not a police officer, but I do have respect for the job that they do, and I'm glad that I can know that they are there if I need them. People like you are the reason that they cannot effectively do what our tax dollars pay them to. I say keep it up, keep the trash off the street, and let us live our lives in peace. Thanks guys.

[Nice]

check it out gents, pattis went and cleared up her license
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[ChattPatti]

I never thought I would say this but you guys really do a great job. I'm sorry for all the negative things I say (and said). Truce? You guys deserve the money you make. You risk your lives everyday when you have families at home. You deal with chronic 911 calls from edp's like myself. Sorry, truce?
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[ChattiPatti didn't write]

...anyway, getting back on track...

Thanks Chris. Does anybody know if the stats from 1998 regarding part-time in the Suffolk County Sheriff's Office still hold true?

[SCSO]

there are no part time officers.

[ChrisF202]

Are their deputy sheriff's on duty 24/7/365? Or is it a 9 - 5 agency?
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[NODEP]

The civil bureau works 9-5 but the SCSO is a 24/7/365 agency just like district pd.

[theseanspecial]

Thanks for all the info everybody. Does anybody happen know when the Sheriff's office will start picking from the new list and how many Deps they'll be looking to hire all together? Will the tax cuts that hurt the SCPD also affect the Sheriff's Office too? Hopefully the new list will be released pretty soon.
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[ChattPatti]

SCPD gets over $100,000 but worth every penny. Who else risks their lives everyday when they have wifes and children at home to protect the public! Worth every tax dollar I spend. I'm proud to pay you guys all that money cause it's well deserved!
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[hahaha]

When are you people gonna wake up, police officer caught on tape beating a suspect with his flashlight. You are all drones who think this things don't happen in your real world, that cops do not break the law. After all, despite the fact of their training, they are human beings capable of anything, even more so when they hide behind a badge, a gun, thier ego, and the law. They will lie to cover their asses just like any one else does.
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[Get a life]

were u there or did u see the same video we did on tv? read the law sonny, we are allowed to use force, deadly force when needed, to effect an arrest.
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[county resident]

Quote: were u there or did u see the same video we did on tv? read the law sonny, we are allowed to use force, deadly force when needed, to effect an arrest.

In order to go home safely to their families, police officers can beat the piss out of someone who resists arrest or tries to harm them. If someone physically resists a lawful or unlawful arrest by the police they deserve whatever befalls them.

YET, I just happened to tune into Fox News as this particular chase was underway.

I observed a perp doing what perps are expected to do..and that is try to evade arrest. I also saw two officers act properly by taking the surrendering perp to the ground.

THEN, I observed a generic AZZWIPE, BULLY, I-CAN-DO-WHAT-I-WANT-BECAUSE-I?M-THE-POLICE cop enter the camera shot and start flailing away with his Maglite at the grounded perp. This is where the line was crossed. Unfortunately, the two officers who used reasonable force will now pay a price because the AZZWIPE cop is unable to control his emotions.

Thanks to this tape, there soon will be one less violent cop patrolling the streets of America. And one less cop engaging in conduct that needlessly gets his brother officers jammed up.

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[Maglite]

Actually idiot, Maglites dont work as good as most people would think. For instance, if you are wailing away at a perp and you miss and hit the concrete your flashlights bulb will crack, therefore since we are only making $105 a year, etc. etc. I think the county should supply the bulbs which can cost up to $2 a piece sometimes!! For a six figured salary cop that can really cut into the budget!! Or do you just not like us because we didn't waste away in college for six years, getting stoned, drinking super strong coffee at $5 a cup and pretending to like it while sitting in some coffee shop pretending to be intellectual, come out of school and make a measly $50K a year? Is it a jealousy issue with you yuppies? I think it's so funny when I pull one of you over in your little BMW's and you have that condescending attitude as if youre better than me because of all your schooling- It gets even better when your little wives check me out and flirt with me, and not to just get out of a ticket either.- meanwhile I can pay your mortgages with one over time check PS- While driving around in my $50,000 Hummer.

[Get a life]

u can resist arrest on the ground,simply by laying on your hands refusing to give them up, until the subject is searched for a weapon, he is considered armed, try it lay face down with your arms in to your chest it takes 2-3 men to pull them out, minimum, you can in fact resist arrest in handcuffs, anyway all the o.o onscene need to articulate is their fear of a weapon, his noncompliance as far as listening to their lawful orders, his reaching for his waistband, the camera was at leasst 100- feet away, can you say for sure you saw anything pertaining to any of the above? we as pos dont have to be right just be able to explain ourselves. by law if they say any of the above, no indictment, watch and learn how we are protected
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[IfYouSaySo]

6 Officers Suspended, 2 Recommended For Dismissal

POSTED: 8:54 p.m. CDT May 3, 2004
UPDATED: 9:03 p.m. CDT May 3, 2004

Story by nbc5.com

CHICAGO -- Disciplinary action was taken Monday against eight Chicago police officers involved in a controversial incident. Two of them could lose their jobs, and the others are suspended.

The incident happened a year ago. A witness caught the dramatic incident on videotape, showing police punching and kicking suspects, as well as spraying them with pepper spray, NBC5's Mary Ann Ahern
reported.

The arrests captured on videotape happened in April 2003 when police stopped a van. The men inside would not get out, and after 30 minutes went by, the police broke the van's windows and sprayed tear gas.

On the tape, tactical officers are seen punching and kicking two men pulled from the van. Now, the Office of Professional Standards has recommended two of the officers lose their jobs, and six others were given a suspension.

The victims of the alleged brutality still face criminal charges that could land them in jail for up to a year. In light of the police reprimands, supporters want those charges dropped before their trial, scheduled in two weeks. The victims have also filed a federal civil rights suit against the police.

Police said that regardless of the reprimands, the obstruction of justice charges against the victims are justified. The Cook County state's attorney's office would not comment on the issue.

[Straight up Cop]

By Richard Winton, Jill Leovy and Andrew Blankstein Times Staff Writers

The televised beating of a suspected car thief Wednesday by a flashlight-wielding Los Angeles Police Department officer was described by a top department official as "Rodney King-esque," drawing comparisons with the 1991 beating of an African American man by LAPD (news - web sites) officers that led to catastrophic riots a year later.


Television news crews in helicopters recorded the early morning car chase that ended in Compton shortly before 6 a.m. when about half a dozen LAPD officers ran after an African American man who bolted from a stolen Toyota Camry.


On the videotape, the unarmed man appears to surrender after sprinting a short distance along the concrete-lined Compton Creek channel, raising his arms and starting to crouch.


As two officers are restraining the suspected thief on the ground, a third officer is seen delivering a quick kick to the suspect and then striking him 11 times in the upper body with a flashlight. A short time after the man is handcuffed and in custody, three officers can be seen exchanging handshakes.


The LAPD and FBI (news - web sites) have opened investigations.


The case is seen as a key test for LAPD Chief William J. Bratton, who has spent the last two years trying to improve relations with South L.A. communities, particularly African Americans, with the aim of trying to temper lingering anger and resentment over past police brutality. He and Los Angeles Mayor James K. Hahn promised a quick and thorough investigation.


"If, after that investigation, officers of the Los Angeles Police Department are found to have violated the law, those officers ought to be terminated. They ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," Hahn said at a late afternoon news conference. "The community is watching. They'll hold us accountable. This is the test."


DeMaria Perry, an elected member of the Watts neighborhood council, called the beating outrageous. "I don't think I am safe with the LAPD," said the 16-year-old African American boy. "That's why people run. We don't know what to expect."


Police identified the man in the video as Stanley Miller, 36, of Compton. LAPD officers first spotted him driving north on the Harbor Freeway at Alondra Boulevard about 5:25 a.m. and chased him for about 30 minutes, mostly on surface streets.


After his arrest, Miller was treated at a hospital for what police described as scrapes. Late Wednesday, LAPD South Bureau Deputy Chief Earl Paysinger reported that Miller had said at the hospital that he had been struck in the head.


Miller has since been booked on suspicion of grand theft auto and is being held in lieu of $30,000 bail at Parker Center. He is listed on the booking report as 200 pounds and 6 feet tall, and appears to have past convictions, including for burglary and car theft.


Bratton, who was in Hartford, Conn., said the department immediately launched criminal and internal investigations.


"There is no denying that it looks very bad from what is seen on the video," he said by telephone Wednesday morning. "But there should be no rush to judgment before the investigations are completed."


In a departure from past incidents, the LAPD would not release the names of the officers involved, citing legal advice by the city attorney's office. Paysinger said several officers had been assigned to their homes and would be put on administrative leave.


The three officers seen as most aggressive on the videotape are white, Paysinger said, and none are rookies.


Department policy allows officers to use any force that is "reasonable and necessary" to make an arrest or to protect the public," said LAPD Cmdr. Eric Lillo.


Los Angeles police are allowed to use metal flashlights to strike suspects. They are supposed to use only as much force as needed to overcome resistance.





The proper use of force is determined case by case, and can take into account, for example, the level of danger posed by the suspect and whether he may be armed.

Such determinations "are very subjective, and you have to evaluate it through the cop's eyes," said Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney and chairwoman of an LAPD task force investigating the Rampart scandal.

Rice criticized the department for past rulings by its investigators that gave officers the widest margin possible. The LAPD would "rule that everything was in policy no matter how absurd it appeared to rational people," she said.

Today the department should be measured, not by whether it finds these officers guilty of wrongdoing, but by whether "they are doing a rational and by-the-book investigation," she said.

LAPD officials defended their decision to keep secret the names of the officers involved, saying legal constraints of personnel and penal codes are now more strict.

But Alonzo Wickers, an attorney specializing in 1st Amendment law, disagreed. When police use force, he said, the public has a right to know who they are. "The city has misread the law in this case," Wickers said.

Paysinger, whose bureau includes the Southeast Division, where the officers in the incident are based, termed the video "troubling."

He called for the public's patience to allow the department time to investigate.

"We have built a strong relationship with the public?. We are asking the public to believe in us," he said.

The videotape, which was broadcast throughout the day on local TV stations, looked "Rodney King-esque," Paysinger said. But such comparisons, he said, do not take into account changes in the LAPD's leadership and in public attitudes in the years since motorist King was beaten in 1991.

That videotaped beating was one of the most notorious cases of police brutality in American history and sparked the Los Angeles riots of 1992 after the officers involved were acquitted.

Daryl Gates, who was chief at the time, is often remembered for a defiant attitude toward community criticism, and some activists made reference to him Wednesday.

John Mack of the Los Angeles Urban League recalled that Gates "was quick to defend officers. He almost implied that Rodney King deserved it."

Gates' initial reaction to the King beating, however, echoed some of Bratton's comments Wednesday. Gates called the earlier incident "shocking," then said he would withhold judgment until an investigation had been conducted.

The King incident, which was followed by such other high-profile controversies as a furor over corruption and brutality in the LAPD's Rampart Division, also triggered a decade of examination and reform.

The city agreed to a federal consent decree that mandated changes in officer training and systems to track officer conduct.

Paysinger, the highest-ranking African American officer in the LAPD and Bratton's voice in South Los Angeles, has worked for two years to improve relations with former critics, particularly among African Americans.

"Chief Bratton, to his credit, has been aggressive in reaching out," said Mack of the Urban League. "Back during Rodney King, it was all-out war; it was very antagonistic. But there has been general improvement."

Changes in police attitudes have been matched by changes in community attitudes, said Khalid Shah of Stop the Violence/Increase the Peace.

People in South L.A. "were tired of the polarization that existed between law enforcement and the community," he said.

But Mack, Shah and many others said Wednesday's incident could severely test those new bonds.

Some activists were scathing in their criticism.

The incident shows that relations between blacks and the LAPD have gotten worse, not better, said Tony Muhammad, Western regional minister with the Nation of Islam. "The Gates mentality is back with Bratton," he said.

Shah, Mack and Muhammad were among dozens of community leaders whom Paysinger assembled for a meeting at the 77th Street station to explain the department's response.

The mayor and other city officials also attended, but the media were shut out. Many activists lingered afterward to urge calm and demand that the LAPD thoroughly investigate.

Hahn called on the department to conduct an inquiry that would "give confidence to the community that no one is above the law in Los Angeles."

By contrast, Councilman Bernard C. Parks, former police chief and now a challenger to Hahn in next year's mayoral race, sharply criticized the officers' actions. He said there was an appearance of poor tactics and possible excessive force on the video.

The third officer's kick "appears not to be appropriate," Parks said. "And you certainly can't justify the striking with a baton or flashlight."

Other police officials disagreed, saying officers must do whatever the situation demands when they arrest a suspect.

The Southeast Division is one of the most dangerous in the city.

Fleeing suspects there are nearly twice as likely to be armed as in the city as a whole, according to LAPD data. About one in seven fleeing suspects there was found to be armed in 2003.

To view video of the beating, go to latimes.com/lapdvideo.

Times staff writers Doug Smith, Anna Gorman and Greg Krikorian contributed to this report.




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People need to get a grip on REALITY!!! The dirtbag who just stole the car had noe regard for anybody else's rights, so y is it a big deal if he has a few bruises?!?!? The truth is if you ( the average citizen ) would have cought the guy who just stole ur car u know damn well u would have left a few bruises urself so y all the up-roar on an officer who has sworn his life to protcet u from harms way?!!!?!?!?!? Here's a better idea: pat the guy on the back, buy him a drink and say THANKS!!!!!!

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I was wondering if someone (particularly an actual deputy) could answer the original question. What is the starting salary for a Deputy Sheriff (in the academy then upon graduation)? Also, how do the shifts run besides the civil bureau (that was answered)? 8-4, 4-12, etc?
Awaiting the list (which is supposed to come out Aug. 20 per the SC civil service site) and curious.

Thanks!
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