What ever happened to free speech?

[Dormer is a Traitor]

So now it's apparently an actionable violation at work to openly express ones opinion while off duty. To think that this cop is fighting for this countries ideals, which include freedom of speech, yet he is being penalized for expressing his own opinion which is supported by a vast majority of cops.

You know this will be reversed. hopefully he sues and gets it all back plus some. If not the unions should take up a collection to cover the loss. I'll happily contribute.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-cop-docked-pay-for-criticizing-commissioner-1.1415240

[Unregisteredblome]

can you say "lawsuit".?? I mean BIG FCKN LAWSUIT>

[Unregisteredunfair]

hey commish, "go fuk yourself" what a piece of pig shit to do something like this! he should be ashamed of himself. thought he had a lot of more important things to be doing up in hq then being thin skinned. in the academy they teach cops to have thick skin. he obviously didnt attend that class. he should look up the word "turncoat" thats the way to best describe the old man

[Unregistered9732609]

He lost about $2000. i say we chip in $1.00 each and give him back his money. or better yet, the pba take a buck of our $28 bucks and reimburse the guy. Well worth it Sim, your my hero

[lowly po]

Speaking TRUTH to POWER is never an easy thing to do, especially when the TRUTH HURTS.
Simonelli for PBA Pres!!!

[UnregisteredVBastard]

Hope all Military and Families remeber this come election time, Levy is the one who put this VINDICTIVE........in his spot.

[Unregistered515]

Never Question "The Wizard!"

[Unregistered666Q]

I would first like to say that Dormer is the biggest dipshit jack off that I have ever seen in or out of a police department.

I would also like to say that even a broken clock is right twice a day. It is proper to penalize the officer for his remarks. Let the PBA do that, not the cop. The Officer exercised his right of free speech, and I believe he knew there would be consequences. Mission Accomplished.

The cop was trotted out there to start another firestorm, and the PC went for it.

Maybe the PC thought he could get away with fining the cop because he had the PBA's approval to screw three other cops for exercising their rights under the I and VI Amendments - and without fanfare.

All of you deserve each other. The CE should change the name from the SCPD to The DPD - The Dysfunctional Police Department.

[EPSTEIN J. REID]

Suffolk cop docked pay for criticizing commissioner

September 1, 2009 By REID J. EPSTEIN reid.epstein@newsday.com

A Suffolk police officer and Iraq War veteran who criticized Commissioner Richard Dormer at a public meeting has been docked five days pay for his comments.

Officer Mike Simonelli, 37, who said he is set to deploy to Afghanistan with his Army Reserve unit, compared Dormer - during testimony before the Legislature's Public Safety Committee - to a turncoat military commander who had defected to the Iraqi side.

"That commander who completely decimated the morale of an entire battalion in a combat environment is a great comparison to Commissioner Dormer and what he's doing to the Suffolk County Police Department," Simonelli said July 30 in the public comment portion of the meeting, which he attended while off-duty.

At the meeting, lawmakers and Dormer were discussing whether budget concerns caused the recent delay in a homicide detective reporting to a Brentwood murder scene while the victim lay in the street.

Simonelli, a Third Precinct officer with the department for nine years, said in an interview Tuesday that his Aug. 21 disciplinary letter stated he "embarrassed, ridiculed and degraded" Dormer in his comments.

Dormer did not respond to requests for comment. His spokesman, Tim Motz, issued this statement: "If this was a private in the U.S. Army who said these things against a general, he would be court-martialed before he walked out the meeting room door."

Eric Durr, a spokesman for the New York State National Guard, said while the military generally permits respectful dissent, criticism deemed wantonly disrespectful or that impeaches a superior's character could result in discipline that typically falls short of a court-martial.

Dan Aug, a spokesman for County Executive Steve Levy, called the punishment "an internal police matter."

Simonelli was punished for "conduct unbecoming" a police officer. The specific rule violation he is accused of encompasses "any other violation which, in the opinion of the commanding officer and subject to the approval by the next higher command, is appropriate for command discipline procedure."

The Suffolk Police Benevolent Association will challenge Simonelli's discipline, union vice president Noel DiGerolamo said Tuesday.

"This individual who sacrifices so much for others to protect their rights is having his rights stripped by what appears to be nothing more than an abusive administration," he said.

The union's challenge to the discipline will go before a hearing officer appointed by Dormer, DiGerolamo said.

In 2004, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) issued a proclamation honoring Simonelli's Iraq service. Reached at his St. James home, Simonelli called his punishment "disgraceful."

"When I deployed to Iraq in 2003 I told people I had the greatest job in the world," he said. "Now I'm leaving for Afghanistan with an entirely different perspective."

Legis. Jack Eddington (WF-Medford), the Public Safety Committee chairman, said the department cannot punish officers for what they say while off duty. "Is this a 24-7 job?" he said. "Because if it is, then they're underpaid."

With Martin Evans

[chickendick]

Suffolk cop docked pay for criticizing commissioner

September 1, 2009 By REID J. EPSTEIN reid.epstein@newsday.com

A Suffolk police officer and Iraq War veteran who criticized Commissioner Richard Dormer at a public meeting has been docked five days pay for his comments.

Officer Mike Simonelli, 37, who said he is set to deploy to Afghanistan with his Army Reserve unit, compared Dormer - during testimony before the Legislature's Public Safety Committee - to a turncoat military commander who had defected to the Iraqi side.

"That commander who completely decimated the morale of an entire battalion in a combat environment is a great comparison to Commissioner Dormer and what he's doing to the Suffolk County Police Department," Simonelli said July 30 in the public comment portion of the meeting, which he attended while off-duty.

At the meeting, lawmakers and Dormer were discussing whether budget concerns caused the recent delay in a homicide detective reporting to a Brentwood murder scene while the victim lay in the street.

Simonelli, a Third Precinct officer with the department for nine years, said in an interview Tuesday that his Aug. 21 disciplinary letter stated he "embarrassed, ridiculed and degraded" Dormer in his comments.

Dormer did not respond to requests for comment. His spokesman, Tim Motz, issued this statement: "If this was a private in the U.S. Army who said these things against a general, he would be court-martialed before he walked out the meeting room door."

Eric Durr, a spokesman for the New York State National Guard, said while the military generally permits respectful dissent, criticism deemed wantonly disrespectful or that impeaches a superior's character could result in discipline that typically falls short of a court-martial.

Dan Aug, a spokesman for County Executive Steve Levy, called the punishment "an internal police matter."

Simonelli was punished for "conduct unbecoming" a police officer. The specific rule violation he is accused of encompasses "any other violation which, in the opinion of the commanding officer and subject to the approval by the next higher command, is appropriate for command discipline procedure."

The Suffolk Police Benevolent Association will challenge Simonelli's discipline, union vice president Noel DiGerolamo said Tuesday.

"This individual who sacrifices so much for others to protect their rights is having his rights stripped by what appears to be nothing more than an abusive administration," he said.

The union's challenge to the discipline will go before a hearing officer appointed by Dormer, DiGerolamo said.

In 2004, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) issued a proclamation honoring Simonelli's Iraq service. Reached at his St. James home, Simonelli called his punishment "disgraceful."

"When I deployed to Iraq in 2003 I told people I had the greatest job in the world," he said. "Now I'm leaving for Afghanistan with an entirely different perspective."

Legis. Jack Eddington (WF-Medford), the Public Safety Committee chairman, said the department cannot punish officers for what they say while off duty. "Is this a 24-7 job?" he said. "Because if it is, then they're underpaid."

With Martin Evans

no commissioner breakfest for him!

[Unregistered CO]

"That commander who completely decimated the morale of an entire battalion in a combat environment is a great comparison to Commissioner Dormer and what he's doing to the Suffolk County Police Department," Simonelli said July 30 in the public comment portion of the meeting, which he attended while off-duty.

Officer Simonelli, sit the fuck down, shut your mouth, obey your orders and don't forget to cash the generous paycheck you receive every two weeks.

[UnregisteredVB]

no commissioner breakfast for him!

It should be BOYCOTTED

[pizza guy]

Officer Simonelli, sit the fuck down, shut your mouth, obey your orders and don't forget to cash the generous paycheck you receive every two weeks.

Thats pretty much the bottom line.

This country has become so messed up that even disgruntled $100,000 cops are acting like savages.

[Unregisteredooo]

Thats pretty much the bottom line.

This country has become so messed up that even disgruntled $100,000 cops are acting like savages.

Wise up asswipe... so you get to say whatever you like... and express your opinion... but this cop that's working for a living AND serving this country in the military doesn't? My guess is that you're a useless unemployed loser and that this cop is Superman compared to you!

[Unregistered 497376]

Hey Asswipes....the police department is a para-military organization which require respect and obedience to superior officers, regardless of what your feelings toward them are and no matter how justified your statements are. The courts, all the way up to a Supreme Court ruling years ago have always ruled in favor of the police administration when it comes to first amendment rights. Follow orders and shut the f--- up! If he had half a brain, he would have figured out that cops does not enjoy the same First amendment protection that others do.

And pleeeeeese, stop with the war hero stuff, I'm very grateful for your service but you enlisted and also elected to join the police department, change your line of work if your not happy.

At least he had a choice for military service, I was drafted and went to Vietnam at 19.

[Unregistered87456123]

Yes, let's keep all whistle blowers at bay. No one ever dare speak out against the emperor.

[Unregistered 99878]

A few points here regarding sit down and shut the fuck up.

1 while we are " a paramilitary organization" he was off the clock.
2 there is nothing saying that he doesn't have the same rights and protection
that is enjoyed by everyone else. ie Freedom of speech especially when
it is an opinion.
3 NYPD has fraternal orginizations that are puplicly critical of their leaders
and policies. But I cannot recall an instance where a member was brought
on charges for them.

[JUST AINT RIGHT]

This Group Routinely Criticizes The Nypd And Its Commissioner But Never Onnce Has Any Of Them Been Disciplined. How Come?

[Unregistered88888]

Hey Asswipes....the police department is a para-military organization which require respect and obedience to superior officers, regardless of what your feelings toward them are and no matter how justified your statements are. The courts, all the way up to a Supreme Court ruling years ago have always ruled in favor of the police administration when it comes to first amendment rights. Follow orders and shut the f--- up! If he had half a brain, he would have figured out that cops does not enjoy the same First amendment protection that others do.

And pleeeeeese, stop with the war hero stuff, I'm very grateful for your service but you enlisted and also elected to join the police department, change your line of work if your not happy.

At least he had a choice for military service, I was drafted and went to Vietnam at 19.


scpd is not guided by the ucmj, neither do police officers relinquish constitutional guarantees upon employment with scpd, unlike military personal that do relinquish certain constitutional rights upon enlistment.

just because you want it to be, doesn't make it so. i also don't believe that you were in vietnam. you're attitude is inapposite to that possiblity. vietnam war vets are the first to support our current troops because of the bs they had to go through when they came back stateside from their deployment.

[Unregistered88888]

*your

[Unregistereddipshit]

Hey Asswipes....the police department is a para-military organization which require respect and obedience to superior officers, regardless of what your feelings toward them are and no matter how justified your statements are. The courts, all the way up to a Supreme Court ruling years ago have always ruled in favor of the police administration when it comes to first amendment rights. Follow orders and shut the f--- up! If he had half a brain, he would have figured out that cops does not enjoy the same First amendment protection that others do.

And pleeeeeese, stop with the war hero stuff, I'm very grateful for your service but you enlisted and also elected to join the police department, change your line of work if your not happy.

At least he had a choice for military service, I was drafted and went to Vietnam at 19.

u scumbag tree hugging azzhole! there were no orders to follow. so when you decide to write on here know what you are talking about. we all know that you are one of stevies employees writing on here, and you never served in vietnam. if so, you are long retired and should have no problem leaving your name on here tough guy. unlike many of us, you have nothing to lose

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Dormer is a disgrace to the office he holds.
And anyone one who attends his breakfast parties should be ashamed.

[Unregistered Done]

This Group Routinely Criticizes The Nypd And Its Commissioner But Never Once Has Any Of Them Been Disciplined. How Come?

It is called freedom of speech and if you guys have not noticed there was a Directive to the precinct CO's about backfilling sector cars from the begining of the year stating they need names of officers when they worked, why they filled the cars, what commands they worked for and they also need copies of the duty charts for those days by Sep 15, That means subpoena's are here hang in boys what ever goes around comes around.

[tgimretired]

I've said it before, in Vietnam he would have been FRAGGED!

[Unregisteredoucher]

PARA-military. Not the military, not even close. Just rember that. Speak your mind! The PC is an embarassment.

[GUILYTY]

He Most Certainly Was On The Job - He Didnt Say This At A Local Bar But At A County Legislator Public Safety Meeting And Represented Himself As A Suffolk County Police Officer.

Guilty As Charged

[Unregistered6777777090]

This Group Routinely Criticizes The Nypd And Its Commissioner But Never Onnce Has Any Of Them Been Disciplined. How Come?

I think the reasons are pretty obvious. Ha, ha.

But there was a Blog Board once called NYPD The Rant, and the creator of that Board, a NYC cop was suspended and dismissed from the NYPD. He did get his pension back with a deal that he no longer uses the NYPD Logo. The Board is now known as THEE RANT.

Years ago PC Pat Murphy had a program on WNYC. It was like a fireside chat with concerned members of the police department. They were told they could ask the PC any question they wanted. When the questions got too hairy one day, and during a break in the recording, the PC reminded one officer that he worked in his precinct as a cop and he knew where all the coops were. He then asked them if they really wanted to ask those questions. End of Story.

You don't wound the KING, you KILL Him. If you can't do that you best leave it alone......

[UnregisteredI AM SHOCKED]

Considering the fact that Officer Simonelli is a Major in our Armed Services and a graduate of the Air Force Academy, I find it shocking that he would make such charges against the police commissioner. Not that he said wasn't true, as it is more than true.

I think Major Simonelli may still have to answer for the charges he made against an Army General. The Army doesn't take to kindly to that kind of insubordination, especially from an officer. What the hell was going through his mind?

Saw the clip on Cablevision News 12 earlier today. It struck me that when the News clip filmed police car for the piece that it was 305. The car and cop that never showed up.

I wonder what Officer Simonelli and his co-workers feel about free speech when they learned from me that one his co-workers was terrorized by the police commissioner to keep his mouth shut after he heard Jim Hickey testify at the trial? And your great PBA allowed Dormer to so terrorize three cops into silence.

As you know that in the past I have openly criticized both the police commissioner and the PBA. Both are as useless as tits on a bull. Never did I get a word of encouragment, only snide and vicious remarks by some of the feckless few.

The 1st Amendment only applies when it is your OX getting gored.

Good for Simonelli for speaking out, however it still was a foolish thing to do considering the circumstances.

Officer, I gave up on The Bill of Rights a long time ago, and I have since wondered why are children are sent off to war with the rally cry that they are protecting our way of life.

God speed, and come back safe. The FIL.

[He has Guts]

When you take this job, wear this uniform, you do have an obligatory rule to abide by; you don't say anything in public about a superior officer. Whether it's your immediate boss, (SGT), or the PC. I give the guy credit for having a pair of balls and for standing tall and delivering his opinion in an open and very public forum. But there are absolutely no grounds for a lawsuit, and in all honesty this Officer is extremely lucky he didn't recieve a stiffer penalty. As far as his military service goes, I commend him, but he used his stature as a war veteran and current reservist about to be reactivayed for another tour. Once he used his military pedigree to gain an edge within that legislative session and to get some attention to what he was saying, he lost the right to call foul and use that same military pedigree for any sympathy to his position.

[Unregistereduuytrre]

When you take this job, wear this uniform, you do have an obligatory rule to abide by; you don't say anything in public about a superior officer. Whether it's your immediate boss, (SGT), or the PC. I give the guy credit for having a pair of balls and for standing tall and delivering his opinion in an open and very public forum. But there are absolutely no grounds for a lawsuit, and in all honesty this Officer is extremely lucky he didn't recieve a stiffer penalty. As far as his military service goes, I commend him, but he used his stature as a war veteran and current reservist about to be reactivayed for another tour. Once he used his military pedigree to gain an edge within that legislative session and to get some attention to what he was saying, he lost the right to call foul and use that same military pedigree for any sympathy to his position.

The Police Department likes to call itself a paramilitary organization but the Federal & State courts have ruled otherwise. If he fights it he will probably win and the powers that be will be exposed for what they are = inept and out of touch.

[unhappywiththings345]

Comparing Dormer to a General??????? He looks more like Captain Crunch! Who is Tim Motz anyway????? Is he a cop????

[Unregisteredooo]

Suffolk County better get the checkbook out again.... because there's going to be quite a few zeros on the check they'll be writing this guy after the federal lawsuit... it will take a couple of years... but it will ALL be worth it!

I see that he's opted for the "trail room" with a hearing officer to be selected by the PC.... WOW.... that's going to be a choice assignment.... can't wait to see who Dickie picks for that one! Just another defendant to be named in the suit!

Between the Homicide detective article and this mess.... Dickie and Stevie are looking more and more like the TOTAL madmen and losers we all knew they were.... and I LOVE IT!!!!

[Unregisteredooo]

He Most Certainly Was On The Job - He Didnt Say This At A Local Bar But At A County Legislator Public Safety Meeting And Represented Himself As A Suffolk County Police Officer.

Guilty As Charged

So if he told them he was a plumber.... would be be paid $75 per hour for his time plus the service fee? The guy is a cop... OFF DUTY.... NOT TAKING ACTION WITHIN THE SCOPE OF HIS POLICE DUTY or POLICE ACTION.... and last I checked... he's allowed to express his opinion to a GOVERNMENTAL UNIT charged with the responsibility for overseeing police services.... so you better get back to law school!

[guiltyofwrong]

He Most Certainly Was On The Job - He Didnt Say This At A Local Bar But At A County Legislator Public Safety Meeting And Represented Himself As A Suffolk County Police Officer.

Guilty As Charged

Sorry, the factors in your post do not qualify him as on the job, either via scpd rules and procedures or NYs labor laws.

[how about????]

So lets broaden this, Simonelli speaks on gay rights, abortion, religion etc in a public forum, it goes against the depts views, can they suspend him?
The police dept may have rules about speaking against a superior officer, or voicing opinion, but where in the constitution is there exclusions for freedom of speech for police officers?

[sports++++]

Comparing Dormer to a General??????? He looks more like Captain Crunch! Who is Tim Motz anyway????? Is he a cop????

generals are not civilians appointed to be gophers for county execs.

[cha-chingg]

So lets broaden this, Simonelli speaks on gay rights, abortion, religion etc in a public forum, it goes against the depts views, can they suspend him?
The police dept may have rules about speaking against a superior officer, or voicing opinion, but where in the constitution is there exclusions for freedom of speech for police officers?

hmm good point. does anyone really believe scpd rules and procedures to supercede their Constitutional right for freedom of speech?

[Unregisteredyess]

does anyone really believe scpd rules and procedures to supercede their Constitutional right for freedom of speech?

Yes.

[Unregisteredsd]

Yes.

lol...you should have asked anyone outside of levy, zwirn and dormer

[Bill-o Rights]

And by the looks of this new article it seems that anyone who disagrees with Levy or Dormer is in the PBA's pocket. That's gonna make the enemies list reaallly long....

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/legislator-backs-cop-in-letter-to-commissioner-1.1418955

[applesauce]

Comparing Dormer to a General??????? He looks more like Captain Crunch! Who is Tim Motz anyway????? Is he a cop????

Motz is a Levy political flunkie who's official title is "special assistant to the police commishioner". In reality he now runs PIB with a bunch of civilian wanna-be reporters.

[the real question at hand]

hmm good point. does anyone really believe scpd rules and procedures to supercede their Constitutional right for freedom of speech?

Does anyone important, like a federal court believe a county police dept has the right to control their employees beliefs or statements when off the payroll?

[wannabe legislator Motz]

Comparing Dormer to a General??????? He looks more like Captain Crunch! Who is Tim Motz anyway????? Is he a cop????

Motz is a failed political hack eating at the public trough. What did he do to earn this job andI wonder what his pay scale is? I doubt that he took any civil service exam. He was appointed because he'll do what Levy wants him to do and can keep an eye on Dormer for Levy.

http://www.lipolitics.com/motz.htm

[Unregisteredjdpo]

Be careful, many courts have ruled what cops say off duty can be held actionable by their employers. It isn't as clear cut as you would think.

[Homeless Guy]

...a lot more fun and interesting if the trolls and their enablers settled on one name to post under.

There are some very good contributors to this board, it's a shame we cannot readily identify posts worth reading.

[hYMEN rOTH]

Suffolk cop docked pay for criticizing commissioner

September 1, 2009 By REID J. EPSTEIN reid.epstein@newsday.com

A Suffolk police officer and Iraq War veteran who criticized Commissioner Richard Dormer at a public meeting has been docked five days pay for his comments.

Officer Mike Simonelli, 37, who said he is set to deploy to Afghanistan with his Army Reserve unit, compared Dormer - during testimony before the Legislature's Public Safety Committee - to a turncoat military commander who had defected to the Iraqi side.

"That commander who completely decimated the morale of an entire battalion in a combat environment is a great comparison to Commissioner Dormer and what he's doing to the Suffolk County Police Department," Simonelli said July 30 in the public comment portion of the meeting, which he attended while off-duty.

At the meeting, lawmakers and Dormer were discussing whether budget concerns caused the recent delay in a homicide detective reporting to a Brentwood murder scene while the victim lay in the street.

Simonelli, a Third Precinct officer with the department for nine years, said in an interview Tuesday that his Aug. 21 disciplinary letter stated he "embarrassed, ridiculed and degraded" Dormer in his comments.

Dormer did not respond to requests for comment. His spokesman, Tim Motz, issued this statement: "If this was a private in the U.S. Army who said these things against a general, he would be court-martialed before he walked out the meeting room door."

Eric Durr, a spokesman for the New York State National Guard, said while the military generally permits respectful dissent, criticism deemed wantonly disrespectful or that impeaches a superior's character could result in discipline that typically falls short of a court-martial.

Dan Aug, a spokesman for County Executive Steve Levy, called the punishment "an internal police matter."

Simonelli was punished for "conduct unbecoming" a police officer. The specific rule violation he is accused of encompasses "any other violation which, in the opinion of the commanding officer and subject to the approval by the next higher command, is appropriate for command discipline procedure."

The Suffolk Police Benevolent Association will challenge Simonelli's discipline, union vice president Noel DiGerolamo said Tuesday.

"This individual who sacrifices so much for others to protect their rights is having his rights stripped by what appears to be nothing more than an abusive administration," he said.

The union's challenge to the discipline will go before a hearing officer appointed by Dormer, DiGerolamo said.

In 2004, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) issued a proclamation honoring Simonelli's Iraq service. Reached at his St. James home, Simonelli called his punishment "disgraceful."

"When I deployed to Iraq in 2003 I told people I had the greatest job in the world," he said. "Now I'm leaving for Afghanistan with an entirely different perspective."

Legis. Jack Eddington (WF-Medford), the Public Safety Committee chairman, said the department cannot punish officers for what they say while off duty. "Is this a 24-7 job?" he said. "Because if it is, then they're underpaid."

With Martin Evans

REP. JACK IS A CLASSIC!

[Unregisteredg nite]

Be careful, many courts have ruled what cops say off duty can be held actionable by their employers. It isn't as clear cut as you would think.

Not in a case like this, a personal opinion of a county employee about another county employee has never been in a court, prove otherwise

[Unregisterfred]

Be careful, many courts have ruled what cops say off duty can be held actionable by their employers. It isn't as clear cut as you would think.

Those cases dealt with the police commenting on legal issues, or cases.
Not a cops off duty reply to a county legislative member asking him a question about his job or his boss.
Was he to lie?

[cmonkjasdf]

Suffolk cop docked pay for criticizing commissioner

September 1, 2009 By REID J. EPSTEIN reid.epstein@newsday.com

A Suffolk police officer and Iraq War veteran who criticized Commissioner Richard Dormer at a public meeting has been docked five days pay for his comments.

Officer Mike Simonelli, 37, who said he is set to deploy to Afghanistan with his Army Reserve unit, compared Dormer - during testimony before the Legislature's Public Safety Committee - to a turncoat military commander who had defected to the Iraqi side.

"That commander who completely decimated the morale of an entire battalion in a combat environment is a great comparison to Commissioner Dormer and what he's doing to the Suffolk County Police Department," Simonelli said July 30 in the public comment portion of the meeting, which he attended while off-duty.

At the meeting, lawmakers and Dormer were discussing whether budget concerns caused the recent delay in a homicide detective reporting to a Brentwood murder scene while the victim lay in the street.

Simonelli, a Third Precinct officer with the department for nine years, said in an interview Tuesday that his Aug. 21 disciplinary letter stated he "embarrassed, ridiculed and degraded" Dormer in his comments.

Dormer did not respond to requests for comment. His spokesman, Tim Motz, issued this statement: "If this was a private in the U.S. Army who said these things against a general, he would be court-martialed before he walked out the meeting room door."

Eric Durr, a spokesman for the New York State National Guard, said while the military generally permits respectful dissent, criticism deemed wantonly disrespectful or that impeaches a superior's character could result in discipline that typically falls short of a court-martial.

Dan Aug, a spokesman for County Executive Steve Levy, called the punishment "an internal police matter."

Simonelli was punished for "conduct unbecoming" a police officer. The specific rule violation he is accused of encompasses "any other violation which, in the opinion of the commanding officer and subject to the approval by the next higher command, is appropriate for command discipline procedure."

The Suffolk Police Benevolent Association will challenge Simonelli's discipline, union vice president Noel DiGerolamo said Tuesday.

"This individual who sacrifices so much for others to protect their rights is having his rights stripped by what appears to be nothing more than an abusive administration," he said.

The union's challenge to the discipline will go before a hearing officer appointed by Dormer, DiGerolamo said.

In 2004, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) issued a proclamation honoring Simonelli's Iraq service. Reached at his St. James home, Simonelli called his punishment "disgraceful."

"When I deployed to Iraq in 2003 I told people I had the greatest job in the world," he said. "Now I'm leaving for Afghanistan with an entirely different perspective."

Legis. Jack Eddington (WF-Medford), the Public Safety Committee chairman, said the department cannot punish officers for what they say while off duty. "Is this a 24-7 job?" he said. "Because if it is, then they're underpaid."

With Martin Evans

I applaud the cop for it, but come on he had to know he was gonna take a hit for that one.

[Unregisteredokok]

I applaud the cop for it, but come on he had to know he was gonna take a hit for that one.

maybe that was the plan, war hero going back to fight for his country, for his country's freedom, is being suspended for using his freedom of speech.

[Unregistered2345]

You usually get in trouble for lying, but this guy is getting in trouble for telling the truth.

[letshopenot]

maybe that was the plan, war hero going back to fight for his country, for his country's freedom, is being suspended for using his freedom of speech.

Please let that not be the Pba's plan. if it is it just shows how dumb and desperate Jeff is.

[schmeckel]

You usually get in trouble for lying, but this guy is getting in trouble for telling the truth.

come on!!!!!!!!! you know better than that,,, manangement never really wants to hear the truth.......

[UnregisteredDUMMIES]

You dummies just don't get it. The more you bash Dormer the harder it is for Levy to get rid of him. I had it on good information that Dormer was supposed to go just about the time his son got stabbed. He needed to stay put until the situation died down. Now you dummies are bashing him and Levy. Do you really think he can let this sad sack go without the public thinking the PBA and rank and file caused it to be so?

Free Speech. You wouldn't know what that is if Thomas Jefferson came back from the dead and explained it to you.

You better bring back those patrol cars back to the shop to make those signs "Accredited Agency' bigger than they are.

[Who's the Dummy]

You dummies just don't get it. The more you bash Dormer the harder it is for Levy to get rid of him. I had it on good information that Dormer was supposed to go just about the time his son got stabbed. He needed to stay put until the situation died down. Now you dummies are bashing him and Levy. Do you really think he can let this sad sack go without the public thinking the PBA and rank and file caused it to be so?

Free Speech. You wouldn't know what that is if Thomas Jefferson came back from the dead and explained it to you.

You better bring back those patrol cars back to the shop to make those signs "Accredited Agency' bigger than they are.

I have it on good information that you are a jerk. It is really good info. No lie. Came from some guy saying he runs a large county in NY!!!

[9809]

story is going to be on FOX and friends as of 9/4/09, now the rest of the world is going to see the vin"DICK"tiveness against its "FINEST".... enjoy your weekend at the beach :)

[Unregistered0h7d7m2h]

Wise up asswipe... so you get to say whatever you like... and express your opinion... but this cop that's working for a living AND serving this country in the military doesn't? My guess is that you're a useless unemployed loser and that this cop is Superman compared to you!

Hey ahole - see what happens when ANYONE employed in the private sector talks smack about their company or it's CEO in public!

You do NOT have freedom of speech where your job is concerned.

And what the FUCK does serving his country have to do with this issue, sounds like you're all saying a Vet or an active-duty military person has MORE rights to excersize their rights than others? Geez, you bitchy spoiled jap cops really do need a smackdown attitude adjustment BIG TIME!

I SAY...

LEVY oughta just DISBAN the SCPD, dismantle it and let the towns create their own non-monolithic PDs.

[Unregistered8d9g5s0b7h]

You usually get in trouble for lying, but this guy is getting in trouble for telling the truth.

C O N D U C T U N B E C O M I N G

He is a JERK

WHen you have issues with your boss, TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR BOSS and do not be a PUSSY WIMP and run to the press and turn it into a political issue.

I HOPE he goes back on tour, gets shot and dies a long horrible suffering death because the prick deserves no less. MAybe let the Taliban skin him alive and drag him behind a truck & hang him from a bridge.

[Unregistered0h7d7m2h]

Hey ahole - see what happens when ANYONE employed in the private sector talks smack about their company or it's CEO in public!

You do NOT have freedom of speech where your job is concerned.

And what the FUCK does serving his country have to do with this issue, sounds like you're all saying a Vet or an active-duty military person has MORE rights to excersize their rights than others? Geez, you bitchy spoiled jap cops really do need a smackdown attitude adjustment BIG TIME!

I SAY...

LEVY oughta just DISBAN the SCPD, dismantle it and let the towns create their own non-monolithic PDs.

in the private sector if you lost a weeks pay, you would sue and win, just like
whats going to happen here
You say? And? You are also a no one, in case you havent figured it out yet(I know you did)

[stfu old man]

You dummies just don't get it. The more you bash Dormer the harder it is for Levy to get rid of him. I had it on good information that Dormer was supposed to go just about the time his son got stabbed. He needed to stay put until the situation died down. Now you dummies are bashing him and Levy. Do you really think he can let this sad sack go without the public thinking the PBA and rank and file caused it to be so?

Free Speech. You wouldn't know what that is if Thomas Jefferson came back from the dead and explained it to you.

You better bring back those patrol cars back to the shop to make those signs "Accredited Agency' bigger than they are.

Ehh we arent dummies. dormer is by most accounts ineffectual. He is a figurehead. Whether he stays or goes doesnt really matter. In fact having a zero as the commish is certainly better then having someone like Ponzo, one of his rumored replacements.
stick to bashing spota and burke and being laughed at or dismissed as a stupid no one

[Unregistereddfg]

story is going to be on FOX and friends as of 9/4/09, now the rest of the world is going to see the vin"DICK"tiveness against its "FINEST".... enjoy your weekend at the beach :)

yeah thats horrible bad publicity on national tv for steve levy...oh if the pba planned that they must be idiots

[UnregisteredWRONG]

in the private sector if you lost a weeks pay, you would sue and win, just like
whats going to happen here
You say? And? You are also a no one, in case you havent figured it out yet(I know you did)

There was a Coors employee that was hanging at a bar where a lot of other Coors employees hung out and the other folks in the bar knew that. Like a cop hangout, if you will. The poor guy liked the taste of Millers, better than Coors. He was seen drinking the Millers - AND WAS TERMINATED.

He went to court (I think he should have won) and he LOST. All he did was to allegedly cause 'shame' for his employer by being seen drinking a beer in this setting that wasn't his own.

[UnregisteredFIGUREHEAD]

Ehh we arent dummies. dormer is by most accounts ineffectual. He is a figurehead. Whether he stays or goes doesnt really matter. In fact having a zero as the commish is certainly better then having someone like Ponzo, one of his rumored replacements.
stick to bashing spota and burke and being laughed at or dismissed as a stupid no one

Now this worthless and incompetent brain dead arsehole is a FIGUREHEAD. To be a FIGUREHEAD one first needs to have some reputation or perceived reputation of greatness.

In the thread of one word descriptions of Dormer, I would add: CEMENTHEAD.

Trust me that you will get what you deserve - sooner of later.

[not so fast skippy]

There was a Coors employee that was hanging at a bar where a lot of other Coors employees hung out and the other folks in the bar knew that. Like a cop hangout, if you will. The poor guy liked the taste of Millers, better than Coors. He was seen drinking the Millers - AND WAS TERMINATED.

He went to court (I think he should have won) and he LOST. All he did was to allegedly cause 'shame' for his employer by being seen drinking a beer in this setting that wasn't his own.

you fail to mention that he was wearing his coors' uniform creating the impression that he was acting in some official capacity and casting negative aspertions on the coors' product. this officer was off duty, not in uniform, speaking as a private citizen. for your example to be relevant this officer would have to have been off duty, yet wearing his uniform thereby creating the impression of being on duty. try again....

[UnregisteredU R WRONG]

There was a Coors employee that was hanging at a bar where a lot of other Coors employees hung out and the other folks in the bar knew that. Like a cop hangout, if you will. The poor guy liked the taste of Millers, better than Coors. He was seen drinking the Millers - AND WAS TERMINATED.

He went to court (I think he should have won) and he LOST. All he did was to allegedly cause 'shame' for his employer by being seen drinking a beer in this setting that wasn't his own.

I think what you are conveniently leaving out is the clause in the hiring contract that no coors employee can be seen in public either buying or drinking another companies beer...

[UnregisteredEMPTYSUIT]

Now this worthless and incompetent brain dead arsehole is a FIGUREHEAD. To be a FIGUREHEAD one first needs to have some reputation or perceived reputation of greatness.

In the thread of one word descriptions of Dormer, I would add: CEMENTHEAD.

Trust me that you will get what you deserve - sooner of later.

In regards to dormer I actually agree. Hes not a figure head but an empty suit, a rubber stamp for levys paperwork

[fox & friends]

story is going to be on FOX and friends as of 9/4/09, now the rest of the world is going to see the vin"DICK"tiveness against its "FINEST".... enjoy your weekend at the beach :)

follow the link to watch the officers interview on fox and friends...

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9113706&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/us/index.html

[knock out blow]

follow the link to watch the officers interview on fox and friends...

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9113706&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/us/index.html

OUCH!!!!!!

[Unregisteredazsda]

Simonelli was well spoken and very comfortable speaking.
If only dormer gave a sound bite with all his stammering, and mumbling, it would have aced it for us.

[Unregistered 2629]

I think even thick-headed Levy should finally realize he needs to fire Dormer.

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Just watched the clip online. Simonelli for PBA Prez!

Tim Motz should stick to the Flunkie business. He is an errand boy sent by a grocery clerk.

[Unregisteredohyea]

C O N D U C T U N B E C O M I N G

He is a JERK

WHen you have issues with your boss, TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR BOSS and do not be a PUSSY WIMP and run to the press and turn it into a political issue.

I HOPE he goes back on tour, gets shot and dies a long horrible suffering death because the prick deserves no less. MAybe let the Taliban skin him alive and drag him behind a truck & hang him from a bridge.

Listen I dont know you are and I wont pretend that I do, but I do know this guy and believe me you would not have the balls to say any of this shit to his face...

[thosewhocantdohope]

C O N D U C T U N B E C O M I N G

He is a JERK

WHen you have issues with your boss, TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR BOSS and do not be a PUSSY WIMP and run to the press and turn it into a political issue.

I HOPE he goes back on tour, gets shot and dies a long horrible suffering death because the prick deserves no less. MAybe let the Taliban skin him alive and drag him behind a truck & hang him from a bridge.
likewise if you have a problem with him go confront him , not hide here like a anon troll.
He at least went on record with his name and said what he had to say
You hope???
Hope is for the feeble who cannot do, no shock there, skippy

[91101nvrforget]

Todays Newsday editorial board seems to get it. The officer went over the line. The officer was well aware of the Rules by training and his life experience as a Police Officer and that of a Soldier. Even though he was off duty when he Identified himself as a Suffolk County Police Officer before the legislators he knowingly placed himself in harms way. He did not take any steps to clarify that his comments where his personal opinions.
While I believe this officer to be a great citizen, police officer and soldier I think the passion of his convictions caused him to not see the fine line.
A simple form of positive discipline such as retraining and advisement with a permanent record of such would have been sufficient.
Although the PBA probably would have fought that and left no room for anything short of formal discipline so that they could use this officer as thier current attack poster boy.
Officer thank you for all your service, God speed, and return home safe.

[are you sure??]

Todays Newsday editorial board seems to get it. The officer went over the line. The officer was well aware of the Rules by training and his life experience as a Police Officer and that of a Soldier. Even though he was off duty when he Identified himself as a Suffolk County Police Officer before the legislators he knowingly placed himself in harms way. He did not take any steps to clarify that his comments where his personal opinions.
While I believe this officer to be a great citizen, police officer and soldier I think the passion of his convictions caused him to not see the fine line.
A simple form of positive discipline such as retraining and advisement with a permanent record of such would have been sufficient.
Although the PBA probably would have fought that and left no room for anything short of formal discipline so that they could use this officer as thier current attack poster boy.
Officer thank you for all your service, God speed, and return home safe.
Are you saying the supposed policy and procedure the officer violated because his personal opinion expressed off duty and out of uniform "embarassed" his commissioner are a higher standard the our bill of rights???

[nypdpbarep]

sufficient.
Although the PBA probably would have fought that and left no room for anything short of formal discipline so that they could use this officer as thier current attack poster boy.
Officer thank you for all your service, God speed, and return home safe.
The officer has the right to appeal any disciplinary action, but there is no retraining, or anything like that, it would be a command discipline as the lowest action.
This is an interesting situation. The officer was asked by a county official for his opinion. He gave it and is now being disciplined. Should he have lied?
I see this ending up in arbitration, and based on case law being expunged.
Whether or not he sues, or wins in a civil suit is a different matter.

[Newsday in PBA's pocket?]

Hey, where is the troll who claimed in the past that Newsday was in the PBA's pocket because they agreed with us that the Levy/Dormer team was being unreasonable in expecting agreement to a lag payroll when they were taking police jobs and giving them to the sheriffs?

Even then we all knew that Newsday is a media outlet with a liberal bias which generally is critical of the police and is woe to talk ill of a Democrat. They would be the 1st in line to defend free speech after the aclu except if the free speech is by someone they don't agree with. It's not a surprise to me that they don't back the officers comments.

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/editorial-end-poisonous-atmosphere-at-suffolk-police-dept-1.1420820

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Todays Newsday editorial board seems to get it. The officer went over the line. The officer was well aware of the Rules by training and his life experience as a Police Officer and that of a Soldier. Even though he was off duty when he Identified himself as a Suffolk County Police Officer before the legislators he knowingly placed himself in harms way. He did not take any steps to clarify that his comments where his personal opinions.
While I believe this officer to be a great citizen, police officer and soldier I think the passion of his convictions caused him to not see the fine line.
A simple form of positive discipline such as retraining and advisement with a permanent record of such would have been sufficient.
Although the PBA probably would have fought that and left no room for anything short of formal discipline so that they could use this officer as thier current attack poster boy.
Officer thank you for all your service, God speed, and return home safe.

.
I just went back and watched PO Simonelli's testimony again. (If anyone on this thread hasn't seen it in full you gan get it off the PBA website) anyway, it seems to me he identified himself as a police officer up front in the interest of full disclosure. He also stated he was "a resident and very concerned citizen of suffolk county" before he began his remarks. Clearly he is expressing his personal opinion and is not speaking in his capacity as a police officer.
I don't know PO Simomelli but he strikes me as someone who would not willingly allow himself to "set up" as a poster boy, although that may well be a side effect.

[Just Listening]

This battle between the county and the union is starting to go too far. In my outsider and impartial opinion, it appears that the county is being the aggressor. Whether it's Levy or Dormer, routinely they attempt to break down or weaken tqhe pba. The pba seems to be just fighting to maintain what they already have. The only people who are really hurt are the citizens. Lets remember that the cops are regular civil srevice employeees and if this gets too bad, they might just start giving up and not caring anymore. They are going to get paid whether they do a good job or they do a satisfactory job. I like my cops and I hope they continue doing a good job.

[Unregistered23523]

AMEN..... you'll end up with what half of the city is... check collectors.... if you want it.....a happy work force is a productive one... a cop gets paid the same if he takes his time to a call of you getting beat up and calls and ambulence... or if he rushes there puts his life on the line and takes over the fight... think about it...

[Unregistered454544455]

AMEN..... you'll end up with what half of the city is... check collectors.... if you want it.....a happy work force is a productive one... a cop gets paid the same if he takes his time to a call of you getting beat up and calls and ambulence... or if he rushes there puts his life on the line and takes over the fight... think about it...

are you saying if a cop isn't happy they won't respond in a timely manner? is that what you are saying?

everything I read on this board is nothing but alleged cops bragging how much money they have. their generous pensions. the cars and homes they have. so why aren't you happy?

do you really believe the general public thinks you are concerned about their safety, or your checkbooks?

you will never be happy, be it the 150K you like to brag about and rub shit in people's faces, or if you made 250K. which is it - safety or money?

[dont project]

are you saying if a cop isn't happy they won't respond in a timely manner? is that what you are saying?

everything I read on this board is nothing but alleged cops bragging how much money they have. their generous pensions. the cars and homes they have. so why aren't you happy?

do you really believe the general public thinks you are concerned about their safety, or your checkbooks?

you will never be happy, be it the 150K you like to brag about and rub shit in people's faces, or if you made 250K. which is it - safety or money?

dont put this on everyone, its the opinion of one guy, who may or may not be a cop

[Unregistered123]

He made no mention of money. You did, I think he was refering to the way the dept. treats its cops. The city PD has alot of cops who dont care because of the way the city treats them. There was no reference to money.

[UnregisteredYes ,]

are you saying if a cop isn't happy they won't respond in a timely manner? is that what you are saying?

everything I read on this board is nothing but alleged cops bragging how much money they have. their generous pensions. the cars and homes they have. so why aren't you happy?

do you really believe the general public thinks you are concerned about their safety, or your checkbooks?

you will never be happy, be it the 150K you like to brag about and rub shit in people's faces, or if you made 250K. which is it - safety or money?

Yes, they are saying if they are ahving a bad day they respond slower.

These mutts will never be happy because each of them gravitated towards this job for a reason, immature, were bullied nerds as kids and have very - very - very small penis / package!

They are obviously way more concerned about their own $$$$ than you!

You don't understand them at all, they are used to getting whatever they want, and they want it ALL! That's why they hate Levy - he's the first County Executive with enough popularity that he doesn't need the Police PBA to get himself re elected, so he is also the first one to EVER tell them NO!

[speakup]

Dissent is patriotic

[UnregisteredYes]

Yes, they are saying if they are ahving a bad day they respond slower.

These mutts will never be happy because each of them gravitated towards this job for a reason, immature, were bullied nerds as kids and have very - very - very small penis / package!

They are obviously way more concerned about their own $$$$ than you!

You don't understand them at all, they are used to getting whatever they want, and they want it ALL! That's why they hate Levy - he's the first County Executive with enough popularity that he doesn't need the Police PBA to get himself re elected, so he is also the first one to EVER tell them NO!

ehh no. they arent saying it, one guy is.
for what its worth when the last 3 tests for suffolk, and the last for nassau was given, there were over 150k people taking the tests.
Many, in fact the majority of them very successful in their fields, making more then what the pds paid, but were smart enough to realize that a recession was coming, and the police dept was a very wise choice.
It isnt a case of being bullied, I would imagine the repeat trolls living here would be more appropriate candidates.

[levysfluffernutter]

You don't understand them at all, they are used to getting whatever they want, and they want it ALL! That's why they hate Levy - he's the first County Executive with enough popularity that he doesn't need the Police PBA to get himself re elected, so he is also the first one to EVER tell them NO!

another false levy lie by a levy fluffernutter.
Levy has attempted to dismantle scpd from day 1.
All he has done is disband hiway and use cope,gang and crime units to backfill cars. In return hes lost about 40% of the production he used to have, and an increase in violent crime.
Other then that not much has changed.

[not shocked at all]

Yes, they are saying if they are ahving a bad day they respond slower.

These mutts will never be happy because each of them gravitated towards this job for a reason, immature, were bullied nerds as kids and have very - very - very small penis / package!

They are obviously way more concerned about their own $$$$ than you!

You don't understand them at all, they are used to getting whatever they want, and they want it ALL! That's why they hate Levy - he's the first County Executive with enough popularity that he doesn't need the Police PBA to get himself re elected, so he is also the first one to EVER tell them NO!

Nobody cares who you are, nor do we care what you think, just keep those tax dollars rolling in to pay my salary or they will take your house. My new scheme is when they take your houses, I buy them and fill them with rentals so your neighbors leave too, then I'll buy those as well and own the entire neighborhood before long. Wait till you see the raise I am about to get! It will blow your mind. (and allow me to buy more houses off poor schmucks like you), THANKS!

same ip....no suprise here

[better2bamuttthenapussy]

These mutts will never be happy because each of them gravitated towards this job for a reason, immature, were bullied nerds as kids and have very - very - very small penis / package!

O!

I find the bullied mutts in the sector i've worked for the past 10 years are more likely to turn out unemployed, or underemployed, or drug addicts, criminals etc.
Oreven just insecure lower class boobs that are more likely to troll cops, and worry about penis sizes.
Its unheard of for them to have an above average job( top 10% on Long island salary) like mine.

[SoNowImBall less]

Listen I dont know you are and I wont pretend that I do, but I do know this guy and believe me you would not have the balls to say any of this shit to his face...

Oh I get it... I'm right and you threaten me to shut me up, bacause if I happen to be ball-less I would never speak my opinion to his face because he's a tough-guy? I saw the ORIGINAL bitch-fest and the interview.

This idiot is going to lose.

And I'd face ANY of you out of shape blowhards face to face IF I didn't know you all carry your 3rd (or maybe it's 2nd?) testicle wherever you go.

[babies must play]

Oh I get it... I'm right and you threaten me to shut me up, bacause if I happen to be ball-less I would never speak my opinion to his face because he's a tough-guy? I saw the ORIGINAL bitch-fest and the interview.

This idiot is going to lose.

And I'd face ANY of you out of shape blowhards face to face IF I didn't know you all carry your 3rd (or maybe it's 2nd?) testicle wherever you go.

grow up child

[bacause]

Oh I get it... I'm right and you threaten me to shut me up, bacause if I happen to be ball-less I would never speak my opinion to his face because he's a tough-guy? I saw the ORIGINAL bitch-fest and the interview.

This idiot is going to lose.

And I'd face ANY of you out of shape blowhards face to face IF I didn't know you all carry your 3rd (or maybe it's 2nd?) testicle wherever you go.

tool

[uniform]

you fail to mention that he was wearing his coors' uniform creating the impression that he was acting in some official capacity and casting negative aspertions on the coors' product. this officer was off duty, not in uniform, speaking as a private citizen. for your example to be relevant this officer would have to have been off duty, yet wearing his uniform thereby creating the impression of being on duty. try again....

Wasn't Cimonelli "wearing" his uniform? - NO not literally - but he made it quite clear he was a suffolk county police officer. Ain't it the same thing?

He also "wore" his military uniform which was disgraceful. He should bne court marshalled.

[Unregisterednono]

Wasn't Cimonelli "wearing" his uniform? - NO not literally - but he made it quite clear he was a suffolk county police officer. Ain't it the same thing?

.

No its not the same thing. When you are off duty, you are off duty, telling someone you are a cop doesnt make you act or speak in an official capacity.

[now sit down]

Wasn't Cimonelli "wearing" his uniform? - NO not literally - but he made it quite clear he was a suffolk county police officer. Ain't it the same thing?

He also "wore" his military uniform which was disgraceful. He should bne court marshalled.

Did you even watch the video of him speaking at the leg hearing? Because I'm watching it now.
Unless a black suit with a burgundy shirt is new military uniform, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Blah 0 Blah 0 Blah]

No its not the same thing. When you are off duty, you are off duty, telling someone you are a cop doesnt make you act or speak in an official capacity.

Conduct Unbecoming. He politicized the issue. Like it or not - police officers are public servants and believe it or not, Steve Levy is ultimately your commander-in-chief. Higher than Dormer. Yes, Virginia, there is a boss above you, many of them. If you don't like it, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass. Go back to your failed law practice or your failed contracting business or whatever it is you thought you'd do before winning the East Cupcake Irish Sweeps.

[i smell ben]

Conduct Unbecoming. He politicized the issue. Like it or not - police officers are public servants and believe it or not, Steve Levy is ultimately your commander-in-chief. Higher than Dormer. Yes, Virginia, there is a boss above you, many of them. If you don't like it, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass. Go back to your failed law practice or your failed contracting business or whatever it is you thought you'd do before winning the East Cupcake Irish Sweeps.

What's the matter Ben? Stevie didn't give you a reach-around this morning and now you are in a bad mood?

[blah blah @ 844am]

Conduct Unbecoming. He politicized the issue. Like it or not - police officers are public servants and believe it or not, Steve Levy is ultimately your commander-in-chief. Higher than Dormer. Yes, Virginia, there is a boss above you, many of them. If you don't like it, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass. Go back to your failed law practice or your failed contracting business or whatever it is you thought you'd do before winning the East Cupcake Irish Sweeps.

He was off duty and voicing his opinion. Conduct unbecoming? We'll see, 1st in a dept hearing, then arbitration hearing, and then in civil court
Believe it or not, levy is not my commander in chief. He is not in a position to order me to do anything. Not his job, and he knows it too. He is the head of the political branch of the govt.
Go back to the comic strip...actually the help wanteds would be better for you

[what a dick]

Conduct Unbecoming. He politicized the issue. Like it or not - police officers are public servants and believe it or not, Steve Levy is ultimately your commander-in-chief. Higher than Dormer. Yes, Virginia, there is a boss above you, many of them. If you don't like it, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass. Go back to your failed law practice or your failed contracting business or whatever it is you thought you'd do before winning the East Cupcake Irish Sweeps.

What does levy have to do with anything?
Levy is not a cic. He has no authority over a police officer. What levy and the county govt does is set rules and procedures, based on nys and federal laws,guidelines, and rulings, and specific issues relative to the area.
If you remember levy wanted to deputize scpd as immigration enforcers, and was shot down by the pba. Since when does a commander in chief get shot down by a union?
Levy knows this. Even dormers powers are limited as he is a civilian, and cannot order a police officer to take a specific act, although he can implement policy and procedure etc.
As far as the rest of your post, i'll take it from where it comes, a disgruntled dead end posting here mad because we have what you dont

[ignorance is bliss]

Conduct Unbecoming. He politicized the issue. Like it or not - police officers are public servants and believe it or not, Steve Levy is ultimately your commander-in-chief. Higher than Dormer. Yes, Virginia, there is a boss above you, many of them. If you don't like it, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass. Go back to your failed law practice or your failed contracting business or whatever it is you thought you'd do before winning the East Cupcake Irish Sweeps.

Anyone who believes this issue is cut and dry either way doesnt know what the hell they are talking about.

[King has no clothes]

Wasn't Cimonelli "wearing" his uniform? - NO not literally - but he made it quite clear he was a suffolk county police officer. Ain't it the same thing?

He also "wore" his military uniform which was disgraceful. He should bne court marshalled.

No. He was not "in uniform" either literally of figuratively. He did say he was a police officer when he spoke to put into context the fact that he is in a position to intelligently address current issues within the department. In other words he is an authority on the issues of which he is speaking about.

If I want to speak with someone about the police department I will speak to a police officer. If I want to speak to someone about being an asshole I will address my questions to you.