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[NowIn7th]

That why i left. First in the county in paper was never enough, the guys were great, but its the onlt thing i miss, who needs a LT and Sgts to find 20s for you or showing up at every barking dog call. They bounced A Del?.. only takes one guess who would do that. Things are much greener on the other sides of the fence guys.

[Nefarious6]

Summer is quickly approaching. And for another year we see how much the county cares about us,,, lets see what have they done to show that they care at all if you make it home at the end of your tour... Well you'll be getting a new shiney name tag, thats great for the guys on the North shore whose radios havn't worked for YEARS; or the 17 operator who continues to work GH alone, despite the fact that he lost his eastern back up to the 7th and has the busiest car in the precint to his west. But its okay guys, at least they will know who you are when we find your body.
Im sure we can expect a bunch of understanding from the bosses. Its so obvious already, in one of FIVE squads, the LT has his lackeys so scared they are out there threatening veteran officers (10+ years) that they will bounce them from their cars, or even the squad if they don't write more, They tell the 'new guys' (if you concider 2 years here and 5 years city 'new') that if they dont write 3 a day and make 3 arrests a month they will have them taken out of the squad. Sounds great huh? Its true. He has become so desperate, and so low, that the DELEGATE was taken out of his steady car (15 years on and 11 years in same sector, and it was done when the officers own sgt wasn't working). Thats the way to show the guys you care. Perhaps he thought he could 'scare' the rest, or at least intimidate the newer guys, but.. from what ive heard its not working. Too Bad. Great way to build mutual respect.
What it all comes down to is, We have to make sure WE all make it home every morning, every afternoon, or every evening. You are responsible for the guy next to you, you want to be in on a 511 arrest when your ajoining is getting his butt kicked at a domestic, would you want to be the one getting pounded waiting for back up? We do our job, we do it well, NO we do it GREAT but when they push you to the edge of the cliff, you either stand up and fight, or you splatter to the bottom in a spineless pile

[justajob]

guys writting 50, 60, 70 summons a month, of course they will expect more. And now if you dont write that many your a slacker. its been clear for years numbers are first, real police work a distant second

[Phil Apino]

3 a day?? I can't believe that. That's completely absurd.

Sounds like the "we'll ask them for three, so maybe they'll give us 1 or 2" strategy. No OIC could really think he's getting 3 a day. Say it ain't so.

[Nefarious6]

3 a day, 3 arrests a month.... on Mids, in a zone covering the north shore ( from 2 officers assigned to squad/zone, so its solid info, not just 'i heard')

[nyc]

Hey im just curious which county you are mentioning?

[OTJ]

Why complain?, Your Delegate got bounced so what are the rest of the guys doing about it. Nothing i bet. Seen it before too many times, the 'its not me so i don't care'. There is no 'union' on the job, even squad members don't stick together, Jeff should have been beating down the COs door the minute he found out about this. And the squad, if any of you are doing anything, its pathetic, you should be embarassed. The squad should have stopped, and if that didnt work the precicnt should have stopped, but will it happen. Nope. Its not even about getting your delegate his car back, its the principle that any LT shouldn't be able to get away with this. We are all to fat and comfortable on our big paychecks too care. Go ahead, let your boss win this one, who will be the next one he gets to dump on? And who are you going to go to?, Your Delegate?

[scpd patrol]

Sad to say it but many guys are apathetic. This is evidenced by low turn out at Union meetings and other poilce functions. Guys don't seem to care until IT affects them.

If a guy gets bounced for "low productivity" everyone in the squad should turn in the keys to their cars and become relief operators. What can they hold over a relief operators head? No steady seat/car? I've seen guys get bounced for that.(low stats) . One guy I know was counselled by his Lt for low stats (summonses) and then told to sign a 42 in which the Lt ( a SOA rep) had stated the PO was counselled for failing to police his sector. That is an outrage!! Why the PO didn't get his delegate or trustee involved I didn't understand. He told me he didn't want to stir things up at the time.

[YIKES]

The situation with this one boss has been going on for a long time (YEARS!!!)... he even has his Sgt's running for cover... no one likes "working" for this type of boss and it shows... they all have the look of abused animals when they walk around the precinct... heads down... voices low... not looking to catch anyone's attention... or make waves... NOT the way productive workers should be.... really really sad... but UNTIL everyone as a whole elect to do something about it... they deserve what they get...and have been getting for YEARS!!! The shame is there's a lot of good cops in the squad that would work their butts for for a good boss... and be happy to do it.... but not for a tyrant. I guess if the boss wants to play the game that the guys have to at some point stand up and say... "Do your worst... it doesn't matter..." see how much he gets from these guys when the WHOLE squad doesn't care if he plays the " You're out of your seat" game. I'm sure he'll be thrilled with and entire squad of relief operators... might even make HIM retire.

I think the worst part of the whole thing is that this boss is not your typical latter climbing whore... out to make a name for himself and get a nice job somewhere... be it on the backs of good people.... he seems to have NO desire for advancement... he just seems to like to rule like a tyrant... and that's even worse and much more dangerous... at least when you're being abused by a self promoting boss there's the hope that at some point all your efforts will result with him moving on somewhere... this isn't the case here.... so guys... think about it... is it worth selling your self respect out and coming to work with that constant dread and continuing to work in such a situation or is it time to do something about it? Summer is here... and it's only going to get worse!!!

As for Jeff doing anything about it... he's too busy having his arm lengthened so he can pat himself on the back some more.... step back away from the buffet my friend... your membership needs some help.

[unionguy]

Who's the boss in the 6th?

If not named, initials?

[Squad5Vet]

You are too right about this guy. He has RUINED the attitude of many good cops and chased away too many others. This guy has no desire to go anywhere because it would destroy the ego trip he has going. On Mids he has no one to answer to, he has the sargents so scared that it must make him feel like god when he sees them scurrying around. He doesn't even take the Captains test. He has been offered transfers to Crime Control and outside commands but has turned them down. I for one LOVE being a cop, but over the last few years have begun to hate doing anything that might make him feel like he is in control, or that it was done for him, and his head is so big, anything you do he thinks its because he makes you. Its a shame, and if i didnt like the guys in the squad so much, i'd bail out too.
The thing that makes this guy even more dangerous, is added to his huge ego, he's paranoid. After 11 years he still treats his guys like they are out to get one over on him. When he's out on the road he's showing up at calls and when he sits in the precinct or things are slow on the road his face is glued to the AVL, heaven forbid you get a little tired and sit in one place for 15 minutes. Wonder if he's just afraid that we will do what he did when he was a PO?

[Nefarious6]

It is truely ashame that the guys are being put in this position. If you talk to the 30 guys in the squad you will get the same story from 28 of them. The situation is mis-arable. They are over supervised to an EXTREME, if you were there last night, how many calls did one supervisor in particular respond to? MVA, no injuries, not even in his zone, but he's going. MVA in a parking lot, no injuries, but he went and succeed in pushing the new guy into a DWI arrest.

The LTs huge ego is being shook, and he's starting to run scared, why else would he attack the delegate? He called the Del in for "failing to back up another officer". What the Delegate did, in fact, was not answer up for a call that was not in his sector, BECAUSE the LT had shut down 616 (the busiest car in the 6) on a Friday night to do CELL PHONE ENFORCEMENT. The Sargent that asked for another unit already had 3 sector cars and another Sargent responding. When the delegate responded with the fact that the LT would not be able to find ONE cop in the squad who would say the Delegate ever left him hanging on a call, AND the FACT that if HE hadn't shut down 616 there wouldn't have been a problem, the LT said the Delegate had "failed to call on duty" Well, gee, he relieves at the PRECINCT and hasn't had to call on in the 8 or 9 years the car has relieved there. I guess one of his servants couldn't look out the window from the Sargent's table and see the Delegates truck sitting right there. Its getting fun watching them scurry around trying to figure out what to do, hopefully the guys will stick together for a change and his ulcer will get bad enough he HAS TOO retire so we can all get back to doing what we love

[deuce]

I'm just going to guess here, but I'm SURE you're speaking of C.B......was an EXPLORER in the 2nd, then a PO (although not much of one, and was making false 911 calls on a female PO), then a SGT in the 1st, untill they got sick of his crap there and it was just about mutiny !! Then on to the 6th, made LT, to the 2nd for about a day, then back to the 6th for you all to enjoy. If I'm wrong, say so please.

[Nefarious6]

C>B is a whole diff story, but from what ive heard he might deserve his own board. Wonder if he got his POV out of the shop yet after his little 10, sucks when the road ends and you don't.
Problems are with an LT that guys from the 1st might be familiar with

[SCPD Supervisor]

Hey nefarious6, the "new guy" should have made the DWI arrest without being "pushed into it" by a supervisor. If you can't understand that I can see the need "oversupervise you and your cohorts.

[Oversupervised]

Well SCPD SUPER, the point is that the guys in the squad are good cops,, they do their job and are tired of it, the new guys are going to be good cops, but they arn't even be given the chance. That particular officer is very active and makes a lot of arrests, the point being he did not NEED a boss there to make sure he did it,, HE WOULD HAVE. Maybe YOU, if you are a boss, enjoy kissing your bosses a$$ and having him make all the decisions for you, most of us on the other hand want to do OUR job. If we NEED a Sgt we are perfectly capable of picking up the radio and asking for one. They should let us be cops, we are not like THEY were, sleeping in the firehouse when they worked Mids or riding on our dads name.

[SCPD Supervisor]

Let's see. Key phrase; "pushed into making a DWI arrest" with an MVA involved. Seems to me he wouldn't have made the arrest without supervision. Seems to me you and your cohorts don't know when supervision is necessary. Seems to me your supervisors know what they're doing. I won't get into a name calling contest with you. Suffice it to say I don't kiss anyone's butt, I'm not riding my daddy's name and I didn't sleep on the mids. I was an active cop. I studied hard on my own time and got promoted. It's not rocket science. I don't "oversupervise" my guys. I don't have to. They do a great job. Haven't read anything in your or any other posts that suggests you are being treated unfairly. You're either getting what you deserve or not pleading your case well.

[Nefarious6]

Mr. Supervisor, im sorry if the phrasing of the sentence "pushed into making a DWI arrest" was confusing, i never claimed to be a English Major. And perhaps you are a wonderful boss and your guys love you, there are a ton of GREAT bosses on this job, i never said there wasn't. If you are as you describe, then im sure you would agree that you are a SUPERVISOR, you have put in your time, you have studied, and you have earned the right not to have to respond to every call that comes over the radio. When your guys need you, i am sure they would be able and comfortable to pick up the radio and ask for your assistance.

I nor anyone I have spoken to has a problem with a Sgt being a SUPERVISOR, the problem begins, when for example you have checked an alarm and your Sgt pulls up and gets out and checks it again. The problem is when an officer with 15 years, 11 years on Mids and multiple DWI awards says a motorist is not DWI and the Sgt gives them the SD2 anyway. If any of this seems OK to you, and not over supervising, then we obviously have a difference of opinion. If you have any familiarity with the situation perhaps you would like to speak to officers from other squads who won't even work overtime because of certain bosses

Oh and please stop referring to my fellow OFFICERS has COHORTS, thank you

[Bravo Six out]

I have a suggestion or two for you guys. When your Lt. does or says something stupid or orders you to do something that you don't agree with, draw a cc on your cad and write a police info on it. Keep a few copies of the field for yourself. Give their nonsense back to them as cc and you will quickly see the crap end and they no longer will want to deal with you and you will be left alone. Have not done this in the 310 (yet) but I know a guy in the 410 who this works very well for. Remember to stick together and have frequent meeting with the pct trustee and squad reps to keep everyone squared away. If you get called into the supervisors office, the first thing you should ask "Am I in trouble?" if yes refuse, to speak or be questioned without a delegate or trustee present. That is your right.
As for the supervisor who posts here, there certainly is no need to over-supervise as seems to be the case in the 6th. I see many problems in the posts here that you don't or won't. Does a supervisor really need to show up on every call? Out of his zone? Failing to call on duty when he relieves at the pct? That just shows a lack of trust. A real morale problem. Where in the PL or Cpl or even the VTL does it say "must arrest" for DWI? Especially a 1 car property damage 10. As far as sleeping on the mids, what do you know? Have you ever worked in a mid squad? It's quite busy up until 0400 to and then picks right back up again at 0600. No time to sleep or study while working. Congrats on your lucky Saturday.

[SCPD Supervisor]

I don't have any first hand information about your squad. Obviously there is a problem. If the situation is as bad as you describe there must be a reason. Have alarms had no response? This might make a supervisor "check up". Have burglaries gone undiscovered? Are guys hanging out in the firehouse? Has a supervisor been burned for failure to supervise, i.e. didn't catch someone doing something he/she shouldn't be doing. For some reason there was a loss of trust. It's never 100% one way. Have you spoken to your supervisor? Maybe a frank discussion will clear the air. I find it difficult to believe your bosses are following you around because they enjoy it.

[Phiphty Bux]

Is this Lt. M.M. we're talking about?

Maybe we can help.

[Oversupervised]

Sorry havn't heard much about him (MM), i believe most of this was about D/R

SCPD Supervisor, thank you for admitting you didn't have any first hand knowledge of the situation, yes there is a problem, and maybe if all our bosses were of your mindset we could sit down and discuss this like gentlemen

Has anything EVER happened that they could question, has a break EVER been missed, Has someone EVER fallen asleep, i would be lieing if i said no. But i can say with 99% certanity, no boss in this squad has EVER been in trouble for something a PO did. We have tried to talk about it, and are lucky enough to have one Sgt who has been willing to act as a go between, but so far it seemed to only make things worse. Is anything 100% ,no its not, but when a LTs answer to a problem in the squad is , "im the boss, i dont have to explain anything", you can see the difficulty we are facing. On my Shield, these are really a good bunch of cops who would bust their a$$s for a boss who didnt treat them like they were lazy pieces of garbage. And i do agree, i don't think, for the most part anyway, that the Sgts are doing tthis because they enjoy it, unfortunatly they are being pushed to it, perhaps if they would back their guys on this one it would have better results

[BIGWORM]

NO ITS THE OTHER LT. FROM THE MIDS..

[SCPD Supervisor]

I wish I had some way of helping out. I can see that we (nefarious6 and oversupervised) can at least discuss this intelligently. We seem to want the same thing. Bravo six out is another story. If you hate the job so much why don't you quit. Then again you would probably be miserable making ten million a year playing baseball. For your info (Not that you deserve any info) I've worked mids since 1993. Did three tour for several years before that. I know how busy they are. I made over 200 arrests and wrote many,many tickets. I studied on my own time. Thanks for the congrats on my lucky Saturday. I'm going to have a few more you can congratulate for. I'll bet you won't have any.

[nypo]

Wow I feel for you guys, At one point our squad got a couple of new sgts, who were trying to prove them something and our otherwise productive sqd got unbelievably over supervised and morale dropped below sea level and the guys just didn't feel like doing anything anymore they just felt unappreciated. sorry to here it guys I hope things get better.

[When all else fails]

Listen folks, the R&Ps are a nightmare if followed to the letter for EVERY call. What is AZZ Wipe Snoopervisor gonna do. Order everyone to stop jerking him off by following the R&Ps to the letter. The system only can operate smoothly if some corners are cut. The bosses and I Aintcha Buddy know that also. Slooooooooow down do the speed limit request backup if there is even the slightest hint of the need. Make sure to go to the precinct and do the property papers for ANYTHING that you may find while patrolling your sector. When the calls back up when daytours has to deal with the backlog the 2 tour cops and supervisors will complain to the slimey corrupt useless Steve Levy azz kissing appointee to do something. Start collaring up for the most trivial of things and shut down the pct. When the 4th, 5th and 7th have to come across the border because you are all 32 or tied up on property paperwork even B. ut P. lug will have to take notice when he is called to task in a Command and Staff meeting. To make this work I strongly suggest each and every member carefully (and painfully) re-read the contract and the R&Ps. Know your rights and use their own stupid rules against them. Whenever you receive a stupid order put it in your book. If he forces the Sergeants to be the bearer of ill tidings put it in your book as in quotes "Sgt. X advises that as per Lt. Y xxxxxxxxxxxx" Make a paper trail so that when they finally wake up and notice up in the puzzle palace they will be hard pressed to destroy memo book pages, cad traffic, fields etc. Lastly, collectively grow a set and all put in your papers and specify "to any command or any pct. other than the 6th Pct. squad 4 or5 whichever this a-hole is in. As the supervisor put it "this isn't rocket science". This kiddies in the immortal words of Nate Iannone's Supervision of Police Personnel is what we call upward discipline. So quit bemoaning your collective plight and do something about it. There endeth the sermon.

[babysitter]

Holy cow...I can't believe what big crybabies are patroling the streets of the 6th.

You have some bosses that you don't like...wow. Welcome to the real world. Do you think in the corporate world, every boss is a dream to work for? Don't bet on it.

Can this lieutenant or sergeant fire you because you have a poor attitude or work ethic? I know they can't. If you were in the real world, you could be fired without cause.

How often do you actually see a supervisor during your eight hour day? Collectively? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? You are then free to work autonomously for the remaining 7:30? In the real world, the bad bosses are breathing down your neck for the entire day.

I think you all better sit back and thank your lucky stars YOU ALL HAD A LUCKY SATURDAY, and that you have a contract most workers would die for. Let's have a little perspective. Especially the poster "when all else fails", who doesn't even seem functional or literate enough to be an officer.

[Sqd5 Lackey]

A brief response to the babysitter. Please don't talk to me about the real world. I don't know what kind of job you have but if it involves working in an office then you have no idea what the real world is. The real world includes drunks, drug dealers, AIDS infested crackheads, and many other wonderful people that wouldn't give a second thought to trying to do me or you any harm. While you are tucked in at night, we are the ones trying to keep these people out of your neighborhood and out of your house. Nobody is complaining about doing the job (I for one love the job), but we are discussing an obvious problem. Please don't disrespect these hard working cops again. Maybe that wasn't such a brief response after all. Unfortunately as far as Sqd 5 in the 6th goes, everything is true. There is no need for a LT to sit and stare at the GPS constantly monitoring if a cop is moving for the entire tour. I don't need Big Brother watching me. I was under the impression that the GPS system was to protect the officers, whether it be from false allegations or to locate an officer if he needed help. I think all the cops need to sit down and discuss what we need to do to remedy the micro-management and other problems.

[YIKES]

I'm sure you have no idea what the situation is like... nor do you understand what police work is all about.... but I understand that... running around after kids is a tough job... sorry you couldn't land something better! I think what you're missing is that the situation is NOT about lackies complaining about working.... it's not... it's about a work place problem that doesn't have to exist.

As for the topic.... 90% of the guys working in the 6th (Cops and bosses) are fantastic... love their jobs... enjoy doing the right thing by the public... and earn every dime they make doing the best job possible... we're talking about ONE squad.... and ONE boss that is SO outside the norm that this topic has gotten it's own thread and such an active exchange going... THAT should tell you something. The worst part is that no one seems willing to do anything about.... I'm no fan of slackies and crybabies myself... but having seen this act up close and personal and having worked in the private sector for many years for all KINDS of bosses.... I have no choice but to feel sorry for these guys... it's THAT bad...

Time to do something about it boys and girls... get those transfer requests going... and be sure the trustee gets copies he can hand deliver to the PC since I'm sure they'll never make it outside the command... time to let SOMEONE know there's a big problem lurking the halls at the sixth.... show some guts... you've dealt with this long enough... you're inaction only makes everyone think this guy is a good boss... he's not... he's a miserible tyrant with a big ego and a nasty attitude... it's your call folks....

[Bravo Six]

So you worked mids for some time and you know about how busy they are? Why the crack about sleeping? I know a little about supervison and when to trust your people and when not to. It seems to me the 6th pct has a legit complaint. Snoopervision is a problem for morale.
As for me not being a supervisor, I didn't take any of the "special courses" given to the "special people."I did very well for studying on my own. However, I'm not sure I want to be a supervisor and take a pay cut.
Miserable? Where did you get that from? I don't think I saw that word typed in any of my post. This job is great,no two days the same, great pay and benefits, except when a supervisor is trying to use a P.O.'s head as stepping stone to bigger and better things.
Remember boys and girls in the 6th, well everyone for that matter, stick together,listen to the PBA and your delegates and trustees. Give it back them with a cc# attached and it can't be ignored. A previous poster was right "RULE BOOK THEM." This to will pass.

[SCPD Supervisor]

Never made a "crack" about anyone sleeping on the mids. Read the previous posts. I was refuting an allegation that I was doing the same. Never took one of those special courses for those special people. I got promoted on my own. The word miserable didn't have to appear in your post. Your dissatisfaction (is that word more to your liking?) is quite apparent. And no, the CPL, PL or even the VTL doesn't require you to make an arrest for DWI. However, when a supervisor tells you to make an arrest, you do it. Object if you want, document it if you like, but do what you're told. When, or if you get promoted you'll get the oppurtunity to exercise a supervisor's discretion. Don't want to take a pay cut, huh? Do you know how hollow that rings? Typical comment from someone who just can't do well enough on the promotional exam. Have fun working the extra 300-400 hours to make up the difference.

[deuce]

Ya know, all this back and fourth bantering is not resolving anything, just adding fuel to the fire. SCPD Supervisor, YES, you're the Sgt, and can tell us what to do, but I would hope you're not so high on yourself that an officer cannot approach you and discuss something man to man. Not all bosses are like that, most are pretty good, but there are a few........ There once was a man named doggie Don !!!!

[Nefarious6]

What a 'pleasant' suprise to find so much activity here. This posting was not done on a whim or based on one bad night. I can't say its great to see so much passion because the problem should not exist. This is a wound that was opened on day One 11 years ago, it has been allowed to fester and grow, it has had salt rubbed in it, and now it is infected and needs to be amputated.

Knowing all the cops in this squad, having worked with many of them for years, i know what we are about, its not whinning, Sorry BabySitter, if i wanted to work in the 'corporate world' i'd take my Masters Degree and go, in fact i have 'hooks' on the outside and could do a hell of a lot better in the paycheck and not worry about bringing roaches home on my shoes. But to use an old quote some of you 'old timers' might remember from the cover of Newsday, "Cop is What I am. Not What I Do". As geeky and cliche as it might sound, for most of us its the truth, we love being 'Cops' and when we bleed its blue.

Thankfully most of the postings are professional, i would even thank SCPD Super for a different view on the situation. Its a shame that this has reached this level, and i wish it was a simple as sitting down and talking about it. As its been stated in other posts, 9 out of ten bosses on this job are great guys, they know what they are doing, you don't mind seeing them at your call, and they remember where they came from. They remember what it was like to be a sector operator, and they make decisions and choices based on that, not on fear of the LT. It would be great if you could watch the squad for one week while he is there, then another when he is gone. The whole attitude changes, the whole atmosphere. Guys dont feel like they have to scurry out of the precicnt because they are getting the evil eye from behind the glass, you dont have to see 41 drive past 7-11 three times because you want to talk to one of the guys over a cup of coffee. AND NO, its not a free week where everyone just hangs out and does nothing, its just that you suddenly feel 200 pounds lighter because you don't have him breathing down your neck. You feel free to do "the job"

You can cut through the tension and resentment in the precinct when you walk in. Im tired of having to meet up with the new guys when they transfer in and listen how everyone told them not to come to this squad. Im tired of trying to gloss over the situation by telling them , " He just has some quirks, you'll get used to it", or "He's not as bad as you heard".. HE IS!!!. EVEN WORSE. Im tired of hearing "I won't even work overtime with your squad" To many good guys bailed form the squad as soon as they got the chance even after they said the liked the Mids.

It has reached a point where WE need to do something, it has gone on to far and too long. The sad truth is that we let it reach that point. And unfortunatly there is still too much of "Its not my problem". Or worse, " i know there is a problem, but im going to keep doing what im doing because i dont want to get in trouble." Well guys, guess what.. a second officer in your squad has been threatened with loosing his seat. Whose going to be #3... When its your Buddy or ajoining is THAT when you'll decide its time???? This isn't a zone by zone problem, its a squad problem. Everyone has something to say in the dark of the night, in the protective confines of the sector car, but will they stand up when it counts. Lets hear it guys (and girls), you want a voice, do it here, its a start. It seems that the real test is still yet to come.

[PJ Resident]

Is this the Lt. that comes to the Port Jeff public meeting?

[scpd patrol]

It sounds like you're working in a "hostile work environment" ask Felicia for her attorney's # (just kidding).

it sounds like your squad needs to sit down one morning/afternoon and discuss the situation. Guys have to stick together and NOT waiver. I earlier suggested that EVERYONE give up their cars and relief operate. The other suggestion posted about everyone putting in for a transfer is a good idea. Obviously morale stinks...has sick time gone up in the squad? How about productivity? The most important thing is that you ALL stick together and adhere to whatever you decide to do. Good luck to you guys

[Action Jackson]

A good old fashioned blanket party?

[Bravo Six]

SCPD Patrol has it right, everyone gives up their car, everyone puts in for a squad or pct transfer. The CO will definitly see this and take notice. Remember the chain of command, you can supercede it, go directly to the Captain with your problems if the Lt can't cut it. Morale is a serious problem over there and low morale can result in lack of productivity and an increase in sick time. Remember your Iannone, "A happy worker is a productive worker."
Sure, I'll obey a legal order but it better be totally legit. I had a Sgt. who was going around finding DWI's for the squad. Everyone was bitching. He found me one. He wanted me to right the summons and was was told no I didn't see the violation. I called him in on everything for the arrest, somewhere along ten times. He never tried to find a DWI for me again.
Remember this job is great, the pay, the benefits, the retirement, the 500 to 600 hours of OT and more. The only ones doing better than us are the detectives. Stick together and put on your happy faces or some silly person will accuse you of job dissatisfaction.

[huh]

His name or initials?

Alot of us are from areas other than the 6th.

We may have worked with this guy at some point.

Can anyone be more specific??? Initials even???

[Huh Huh]

RY_N


Buy a vowel!

[SCPD Supervisor]

Upward discipline? It just might work. But keep in mind the R&P's are a double edged sword. While you're gumming up the works to show your "dissatisfaction" you better make sure you don't step out of line. Don't get caught out of sector without permission, don't carry unauthorized equipment, etc. Make sure EVERYTHING you do conforms to the R&P's. It's a thick book and downward discipline can make life unpleasant. If an individual officer or an entire squad were to use "upward discipline" against me, rest assured I would respond with my own. There's no doubt you can make WORK extremely unpleasant for your supervisor, but your supervisor can make your LIFE extremely unpleasant. Think it through before you commit to this tactic. That said, I have a suggestion to solve this problem. You're going to think I'm a genius for coming up with this. How about 12-15 tickets a month, three or four DWI's a year, handle your sector and back up your buddies. Wow, what an epiphany! Oh and congratulations on all that money you're making. By my calculations you're spending an extra 40-45 days each year at work. I'd rather spend that time with my family, maybe play ball with my kids. But who am I to talk. Everybody has their priorities. After all nobody has it better than you, except for the dectectives.

I've said my piece, I'm going back to being a spectator .

[Johnson]

No matter what your profession is, you will always run into people you do not like or a boss who is an a-hole. Don't let it get to you. Some ppl on this board would give anything for your job.

[OnTheWay]

Thank the Good Lord many years ago I was able to dodge the Squad 5 bullet and land in a much better situation, in the 6th Pct. Take it from an outsider looking in, you've all been taken advantage of for a long long time and I can't tell you how happy I am that you've collectively woken up and smelled the coffee and now realize how badly you've all been treated. Your LT is a head case and on his own special power trip. I've worked OT in your squad a few times in the past month and can't believe how the Sgt's run around and go on every little call to look over your shoulder and question every decision you make. It's a complete joke. I've also done a few tours in squad 4 and it's like day and night compared to squad 5. The bosses seem to trust the PO's in squad 4, where as in squad 5 they treat you all like children who are not to be trusted with anything more than a glass of warm milk. I can't understand why the Sgt's take all of DR's bs and feel the need to treat the PO's like he treats them. Squad 5 has some really good Guys and Gals in it. To bad the bosses don't know it and if they do know it, shame on them for treating them like garbage and not the good bunch of cops that they are. Good luck Squad 5, you'll need it because DR is going to try and make everyone as miserable as he is. It must s#$K to be him and walk around so pi$$ed at the world. I really just pity him, he's such a small person. And anyone who thinks that the PO's in squad 5 are whining, just switch to the 6th band some night when squad 5 is working and listen to what's going on. You'll be amazed and horrified.

[Brightertommorows]

Been There, Done That. Talk about a breath of fresh air, thats what leaving squad 5 was like. I didn't even realize how good it would feel. You become so used to the constant badgering, it almost seemed normal. But when you get out you see how messed up it really is. The first time i saw 41 pulling up next to me after i transfered i thought for sure it was something bad, but believe it or not, he talked to me like a human. There is hope guys, you know that not every LT looks down his nose at you like your dog S$#% on the bottom of his shoe. Ive even see Sgts... are you ready for this guys from Sq5.. they can actually Smile.

Hang in there. And for everyones sake, stick together and reveal this him for who he is. Go ahead and put in transfer papers, the worst thing that could happen is they actually move you, and you'll love it. I just pity the guys that would be forced into the squad, the thought that he might actually get worse when he gets crushed

You guys have to do this together.

[YIKES]

I really have to wonder if you're actually a boss somewhere... the whole upward-downward thing makes me laugh... and your attitude that "If an individual officer or an entire squad were to use "upward discipline" against me, rest assured I would respond with my own." NOT a moment of self-reflection on your part to wonder if such actions by your subordinates is in the least bit justified? But after all... you're perfect I guess!

Is discipline a weapon of punishment in your mind to be responded with in kind or is it a method of education as you no doubt replied on the promotional exam to get promoted? Sounds like you think it's a weapon from which nothing is learned and is only to be responded to with "counter-discipline" on your part... but as a supervisor how would you like it if each time you handed out discipline to one of your subordinates it was responded to in such a manner as you indicate you would respond without looking to see if such discipline was justified, learned from, and steps taken to correct the problem from which it resulted... be it upward or downward in nature?

I also found it rather interesting that you express concern and advice that "There's no doubt you can make WORK extremely unpleasant for your supervisor, but your supervisor can make your LIFE extremely unpleasant. Think it through before you commit to this tactic." I found your use of CAPS of great interest. So a boss has the right to make my LIFE extremely unpleasant should I make his WORK difficult.... hmmm... seems like a pretty harsh statement... a supervisor having the right (in you way of thinking) to take WORK related issues outside the confines of the uniform to my LIFE (and I guess my family).... when all I can do is make your WORK difficult... perhaps you should rethink that attitude... seems an awful lot of bosses at the Post Office (and other places) have engaged in just that type of management style and heavy handed "supervision"... they have screwed with people's LIVES for WORK related problems, only to find that doing so only resulted in the employee returning to take theirs... along with anyone unlucky enough to get in the way!!! This is dangerous concept... and one that does NOT belong in modern police supervision.

Being a supervisor does NOT mean that a different set of rules apply to how you can address and discipline employees... nor does it mean that you have ANY right to screw with their LIFE for WORK related issues... that's a DANGEROUS attitude for any boss... in particular one that allegedly supervises folks that don't have to stop at Wal-Mart for the tools needed to settle the score! All employees should be treated with respect... when discipline is warranted it is a tool of education and seeks compliance with reasonable standards and rules... intelligent people respond to that... but it must be done correctly... and that brings us back to the TOPIC of this thread... this is NOT the case in the 6th for the folks we're talking about... the actions of the supervisors in this case are not reasonable or correct... nor are folks being treated with respect.

As for you being a genius... far from it... you've chosen to engage in a conversation about a topic and situation you have no knowledge of... your "idea" as to how to solve the problem...(i.e.) the level of activity you think would resolve this situation, would only result in you being told to step it up... or risk losing your car, squad, command... I hate to tell you this but, it wasn't the epiphany you thought it was...

I'm not sure about your crack about "all that money you're making"... aren't you making more to produce less? And from what I've read it seems that your supervision methods and ideas are not worth much either.

Rather than being insulting and quite full of yourself.... and adding your 2 cents to a topic you have no knowledge of it might be best if you went back to the books... EVERYONE would be much happier....

[TBAW]

Careful... don't drive beyond your headlamps!
Fact: The department will always be on the side of a supervisor, over a (or many) PO's that's the system we work in... as long as he/she has an explainable/defensible position... PERIOD.
History Lesson: George Smith-- a sergeant in the 5th Pct. who believed that his ability to supervise was judged by the amount of CD's he could write... The zone stuck together, resisted, then did the wrong thing... many good cops had their careers delayed or destroyed based on the outcome...
Knowledge gained by the experience: Want to burn a boss? Document everything they do wrong. Contrary to popular opinion, the police academy, and the general laziness of most cops, a 42 is the best way to answer a stupid question (or bring it to the attention of an Inspector) or document interpersonal problems.
Hint: Get a posted note or comment you don't agree with: write a 42 with the answer (and keep a copy). The big boss doesn't want to deal with crap, and it gets old very quickly.
Warning: You had better know what your doing or you could get hurt....

[Oversupervised]

SCPD SUPER, sorry if i don't see your logic in your 12-15 a month 3 DWIs a year. First of all, that was probably pretty close to the average for the squad, most i work with were Avg about one a day and 5-6 DWIs a year, granted, some were higher, some didnt do any, but isnt that the way it is everywhere, in any command.

The problem started when the demands became 2-3 a day and 3 arrests a month, and one 'better be' a DWI. Simple math shows this is 30-45 a month and 12 DWIs. The problem is when you have make a Robbery Arrest and a supervisor doesnt say "good job" he says, "do you think you could get me a DWI now.

And once again, this isnt about not wanting to work. I have no problem arresting a DWI, i had a cousin killed by a drunk driver, and everytime i lock one up and they sit there and cry, i couldn't give a s____ if they 'just made a mistake' or 'never did this before'. At least i know they won't kill anyone that night.

[anona]

From firsthand experience, the 6th Sq5 cops are among the BEST out there..... they work VERY hard and have made some AWESOME arrests. However, I agree about the bosses..... those cops would be just as good if they didn't have DR, VD, DM breathing down their necks all the time. They are a very experienced group and deserve all the praise they get.....

[Bravo Six]

What type of family life does this Lt. have? Probably not agood one. Use his experience as an example of what not to be. Don't make the job your life, remember it's just a job no matter what they pay you. There is a certain chief in the Dept who has 30 or so years on and his wife left him because he dedicated so much time to the dept. Now he lives in an apartment in Patchouge. The size of your paycheck does not give ANYONE the right to abuse you either. The supervisor who is writing here, do you think he is an effictive supervisor or one like you are complaining about? He is very full of himself. Leadership is earned it isn't confered by the civil service. He wouldn't write a 42 to his people asking for 1-2 a day and 3 DWI's a year would he? No he certainly wouldn't. Judging by his attitude he's probably a pencil pusher in the puzzle palace.

[Nefarious6]

I don't really know about his family life, i have met his wife several times and she was wonderfully friendly and pleasant, almost to the point of wondering how they ever ended up together, but thats between him and her. Likewise i will not comment on if SCPD SUPER is a good or bad boss, that is between him and his guys.

This is to was to let the guys VENT about the BS that goes on in Sqd 5, or even other squads if they chose to. And hopefully, not just vent, but to get the b@!!s to stick togther and FINALLY do something about this. We either draw the line now and refuse to go any further, or forget it, stop pissing and moaning and let him and the crew make us miserable until we or they retire or transfer. I hope that as a squad you see that 30 guys should not have to be stepped on, degraded and treated like garbage by one EGOMANIAC. And that 30 guys acting as one body, with one mind, can't be moved or defeated by one. The swings almost over guys, perhaps word of a squad meeting will pass around this week. As one fine poet once scribed ITS TIME TO S!&^ OR GET OFF THE POT!!

[Venting]

Your Right, it is time for us to get together.. Some people in this squad need to realize that they are not 'untouchable' anymore and that our Sgt who was once their best buddy, isnt going to stand up for us.... if he was he wouldn't be threatening us would he?

Just to let off some steam..... You are so right on the problems in this squad, but makes it even worse is the Two faced attitude of the one who started all the problems... Heaven Forbid you park for a few minutes to talk to someone, he's watching you with his ass plopped in his chair for hours...... He wanted 42s as to why some of our 18s crossed over into the last hour of the tour, but how many times while i have been getting gas i saw him LEAVING, 30 minutes, an hour early.... and to ice the cake, while leaveing the precinct from a 32 i stopped by the garage to throw out some garbage and what do i see, the 41 car parked between 2 COPE cars, He was out cold ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

[YIKES]

When you need one.... I would have LOVED to have seen a picture of 41 doing some downtime... as would the rest of the command... I guess it's tough keeping the thumb screws so tight on all the little people and being God's gift to Police management...

[TBAW]

My point exactly, no one is perfect!

[scpd patrol]

Some bosses seem to forget where they came from. All anyone is looking for is fairness. If people treated people the way they wanted to be treated things would be much nicer. Sadly, I've got to stop dreaming.

[YIKES]

If everyone treated each other with respect and fairness we'd have a FANTASTIC job.... but don't let that idea spill over to the general public... for if that happened and everyone was fair and treated each other the way they would want to to treated... we'd ALL be out of work!!! ;-)

I need this gig for a few more years... after that you're free to fix things... LOL

Great ideas everyone... keep the exchange going... and remember... a dream is only an idea that hasn't found the person that can make it a reality... every so often the two meet... and it's magic!

[MEHATES0s]

That was beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!

[TBAW]

Please stop! All this 'happy-happy, joy-joy' stuff is killing me... I believe it illustrates just how far our 'quasi-military' organization has strayed from reality. Anyone who expects a twenty year career without encountering a boss the don't like is living in 'Perfect' (as they say in the commercial). Get over it, do your job, and this too will pass. It's just another poodle-puddle on the road to retirement, and there will be many.

[YIKES]

Don't get me wrong... I've been on the job for a while, (Not a Guido era guy) and I came up through the process from the academy (remember those 5 mile formation runs through the Pine barrens and giant puddles in Westhampton chanting "I know a girl her name is Sally..."... stopping only to do sets of push-ups and sit-ups in the nice tall weeds in the woods.... Deer ticks be damned!!!) ;-) to patrol when the system was much more quasi-military, and have had my share of tough bosses (as we all will during our careers)... and to be honest... I don't mind a tough boss... but when you get one that's unfair, unreasonable, has double standards, and seems to have no real interest in the job, his subordinates, or serving the public, but seems to be on power trip making everyone around him as miserable as possible (and apparently himself), there's something wrong. If he was a self serving latter-climber I'd have more respect for him... at least then I'd understand him... I've worked for those types too!

I make good money to do a tough job... and dealing with difficult situations is part of the gig.... but no one is looking to work for this type of boss nor should they have to... you said "Get over it, do your job, and this too will pass."... everyone has... this isn't some short term problem these guys are venting about... this has been going on for almost 10 years (there abouts)... so the guys have taken it... done a great job... and still they have this problem.... I guess the old saying.... No good deal shall go unpunished.... is true. ;-)

I'm not one to tolerate slackers and complainers... I've seen plenty come and go in my time (God... did I ever think I'd be saying that!!! ;-)).... and many got what they wanted ($$$/command... Read the paper lately?) and there's a few guys in this squad that I have very little respect for... but the vast majority of them have a REAL and VALID complaint... they are good Cops that do a great job... and yet this situation continues to plague them.... and something should be done about it.

Only my 2 cents.... Bo-Ya!

[frag the azz holes]

Don 't forget the postal service.

[nypo]

WHAT EVERY PATH YOU TAKE
STICK TOGETHER AS A SQUAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:">

[TBAW]

I was not aware that the 'problem' has gone on for ten years... I thought he replaced JM when he went to the 7th. JM might have been difficult, but he didn't hurt people, as far as I know. If it was the other guy (who had a brother who was a lt on this job), I butted heads with him a few times myself... BUT, I found him to be a fair listener and willing to move out of the way when you were right and wanted to get something done...

[Nefarious6]

Anyone can deal with a bad boss for a, bad day, a bad month or even a year when you know he's going to move on.

We can make excuses for bad bosses. They are too young to be a boss, they are to old and waiting out their time, they are pissed at the world for getting passed over of a detail, they are driving their guys so they can get somewhere. But with every excuse there is some light at the end of a tunnel.

We have seen our light fade dimmer and dimmer with each passing season. A boss with seemingly no drive, desire or incentive to go anywhere, who started out as a task master and has graduated to a TYRANT.

As stated in many of your posts, we are partially to blame for this. We made this LT look great for many years. He had the advantage of having a group of guys (and girls of course), who loved their jobs, loved being on midnights and generally had a great time coming to work and working with each other every set. Somewhere along the line, in his bloated mind he must have decided that he was MAKING them do it. How many of us have heard over and over from guys outside the squad how bad things are here, but we chose to ignore it or accept it.

He could have realized he had a good thing and enjoyed it till the day he leaves this place. After 10 years here ,and years prior as a LT he never wanted to realize that for every guy that writes 40, theres a guy that writes 10. For every guy that wants to do 25 DWIs a year, there has to be a guy to pick up his calls. And probably the worst part, is that he seems to think that everything is done to HIM. Well hate to knock him off the high horse, but much of what has happened, the change in attitude among MANY officers on this job as a whole had NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. We see other precicnts shutting down cars, we see patronage running at full force, we have spent the last few years under a CO whose motto was " its not what you write or lock up, ITS HOW MANY" and who showed that time on and senority carried no weight for a transfer. But no.. of course this all has to be aimed at him on a personal level doesn't it. Or perhaps its even just one or two "trouble makers" ruining his kingdom. Im SURE that he feels he has done nothing wrong to cause this situation. He probably thinks it normal for his underlings to run to every call that is dispatched to a sector operator. Is it normal for a Sgt to have a PO 13 then rip into them, when they don't even know the facts of a prior call? Is it 'normal' or acceptable to shut down the busiest car in the precinct to write CELL PHONE TICKETS? Is it normal to throw a delegate out of his car? Well thing like this have become "normal" in this squad.

They built the wall, they drew the line in the sand. Now is the time to stand together. We come together as one squad, or we will FOREVER live in the shadow. And, if we don't, then lets not bitch because we are stuck in the shadow of that wall.

[YIKES]

Sorry about that guy... I thought you knew who the thread was about... as for JM.... I'd take 10 of him (He's got enough energy that the department could dump the rest of the rank!!)... I've worked for him... he's though to work with at times... always going in 5 directions... but down deep... he's a great guy... and a great boss... I miss him! Once you know him, and understand him, he's FUN to work with... I have nothing but good memories of his time in the Sixth!

[TBAW]

No apology necessary, and we agree about JM exactly.
I thought the thread was about MM, but when '10 years' came up, I was wondering about his predecessor...

[morethan20soa]

can't believe i've seen the day when suffolk cops would buckle to a 2 bit loser boss...........crank him up, punch him out, make him a pariah, do his daughter...please...be men

[Look its been]

Get together for choir practice and everyone in the squad grow a set and put in your papers to any other squad in any other pct. other than the one you are in. BP was the SOA rep in the 5th for a long time, so don't expect him to fix the problem unless you force his hand. Some will be transferred as a result, but not all of you. Either make a bold move to improve your situation or accept the situation and the treatment.

[ghghgg]

ghghghg

[TBAW]

how about... bpbpbpbp, avavavava, hshshshs,cmcmcmcm?

[scpd patrol]

I haven't seen any new postings on this problem. Has it been resolved?

[6th Driver]

They had an inspection and things got a little heated. Heard some yelling was done by both Po.'s and Sgt.'s.
Dont know if anything has changed though. I guess time will tell.

[BravoSix]

Well? What's the news boys? I'm very curious.

[SCPD]

I heard that the Lt. has been very nice to everyone all of a sudden, but one of the Sgts is walking around pouting and won't even talk to members of his zone.

[scpd patrol]

I have learned that there is a similar problem brewing in a squad in 310. A certain Lt and a Sgt are teaming up to demoralize their squad. Apparently their concern is STATS, STATS, and more STATS. Obviously, that is all there is to police work (in their eyes). They have already began picking favorites and scapegoats. The scapegoats, some with some time on, others not into the BS STATS game are in the dynamic duo's crosshairs. I hope that if push comes to shove in that squad, these people will hang tough. The whole squad had BETTER stick together. There are several kiss-ups who, for good reason, better take a step back, look in the mirror and wipe the Lt's assprint off their faces. Wake up before it's too late. Those two guys are NOT your friends. They will come after you too.

[ThreeTen]

Thought that LT was retiring in January, what's his deal? The Sgt. should be more humble after his appearance on video on the internet where he totally fumbled the ball and got walked on by a perp.

[scpd patrol]

You'd think he'd treat his squad better. They do a good job, no major problems, but I guess he wants to look tough or something. Present the squad with your illustrious stats of days gone by if you are going to bring that tired old act up Lt.

Yes, he is retiring in January. If he keeps things up, his retirement party will be held in a phone booth. I guess his ego/pride is hurt because of the crazy STAT situation in the pct. Remember, if you compile statistics, you will have rankings....1st to last. Someone will be first and someone will be last. Note to LT....RELAX!!

[guessing]

who is the lt?

And that sgt that was on the video. I've been squinting, but cant figure out who he is either...

[scpd patrol]

Lt. -ava-e
Sgt. -en-se

[ThreeTen]

Hint: They both come from the Fifth pct where I wish they would go back to.

[little birdie]

possible new problems in the 35 zone sqd 1, lamo boss, been made over a year ago been on the road maybe 2,3 months of that time, came from the palace.
looking to move vets around possibly taking 2 guys from 2 classes ago over guys from 3 classes ago, also spending alot of time delta with 37 boss.
all the guys involved are squared away, no suckups, not shaky.

[curious]

which precinct is this in? the 3rd or 6th?

[Sorry]

6th

[sqd 5]

from squad 5 left with mystery illness?

[6th]

i think so

[Mr ODonnell]

I've spent some time reading the comments to this thread and have come to this conclusion. Most of the PO's who post to this thread are lazy azzwipes.

After reading the whining here it is difficult for me to show ANY respect for police officers in Suffolk.

Quote:can't believe i've seen the day when suffolk cops would buckle to a 2 bit loser boss...........crank him up, punch him out, make him a pariah, do his daughter...please...be men

And after reading these comments I am left wondering if we hired cops or dirtbags.

[another cut and paste or]

her last name is like the twins, _lsen?

[3two1stalker]

thnx we were concerned how you felt. you have no clue whats going on here son, plus you re quoting a post from may.
whether u decide to show respect to any one is your choice, really doesnt matter to any of us.if fact i ddnt recall asking people to post there respect levels for scpd right here.
whats the big issue at your job,jimbo parked in the assistant manager of enviromental services parking spot?, sink clog in the ladies room?
ther is a nice little thread call street cop ethics, go over there, and make friends with the other losers, county residue, chattipatti,then find nyjag, then compare notes on being cop groupies hanging out on cop message boards
ok

[another loser]

i'll just repeat stuff

[county residue]

gee thought u finally hung it up, still not up to one of your virtuous edicts towards us lazy cops, huh?
sorry buddy, neither post is mine, that is your point right? somehow i post a negative against cops, then a rebuttal of some sort. then another post from someone else. sorry i thought ridiculing your cutting edge theory on the ethics board would end that.
i guess your not going to believe me, oh well. remember you were saying i was that sam guy, and i was saying it was u, then jack's dad replied that he actually had that problem in his pct? jack probably was me too, right? in fact all anonymous posters who claim to be LEA, probably are me, and its just a claim, not reality.
the truth, other than a few posts about real police issues, the funeral, the shooting, a couple questions about applying the law, the only time i'll post is to screw with you, mrcountyresidentdrcorvallebirdieeaglethepeople
michaelcardiganaskidmoresammcwilliamtinytimbadboyb lu
svorkinjuancarlosthreetwoonestalker plus hundreds i forgot
dont worry about me you've got your own issues

[police issues only]

residue, i understand your purpose with scolding all these knowsybutties, but if you just ignored them they probaly would leave sooner. its like the classclown in school you pay attention and he'll keep mouthing off. you know everyone is an expert on running a p.d. just want to get their opinions in.
whats the deal anyway this seems personal?

[honestly]

gee thought u finally hung it up, still not up to one of your virtuous edicts towards us lazy cops, huh?
sorry buddy, neither post is mine, that is your point right? somehow i post a negative against cops, then a rebuttal of some sort. then another post from someone else. sorry i thought ridiculing your cutting edge theory on the ethics board would end that.
i guess your not going to believe me, oh well. remember you were saying i was that sam guy, and i was saying it was u, then jack's dad replied that he actually had that problem in his pct? jack probably was me too, right? in fact all anonymous posters who claim to be LEA, probably are me, and its just a claim, not reality.
the truth, other than a few posts about real police issues, the funeral, the shooting, a couple questions about applying the law, the only time i'll post is to screw with you, mrcountyresidentdrcorvallebirdieeaglethepeople
michaelcardiganaskidmoresammcwilliamtinytimbadboyb lu
svorkinjuancarlosthreetwoonestalker plus hundreds i forgot
dont worry about me you've got your own issues

[county residue]

in a nutshell this guys been posting here under multiple names, trying in his self-important way of telling us how things should be, people were trying to reason with him, when i came on the scene and decided to attack him. based on his style of posting you can tell that he does like to hear himself, and is used to people having to listen to him,a middle mgt type, which explains the animosity towards us and our power, salary etc.
the way to hurt someone with a sense of self-importance, treat him like a joke, laugh at him, let him know how we treat his type.

[county residue]

please cut and paste all 3, again i do this at 50.00 plus an hour actually 75 im on o/t. this is your hobby

[county residue]

please cut and paste all 3, again i do this at 50.00 plus an hour actually 75 im on o/t. this is your hobby

[back to reality]

play your games on another thread,dont worry that winner will follow.
yes she has been talking about moving some guys around, yes there is a guy with less seniority, assigned a open car for the next few weeks, just checked, your squad is the only 1 with paper to check. the other guys involved no one has been assigned or demoted, but someone did overhear her and her mentor discussing who isnt ready for a car, seems the more senior relief guys are going to be passed up for the 2 from last year,also possibly pushing a sector guy into another zone. that i didnt hear from anyone, just a floating rumor.
again everyone involved are good people/cops, hope they can work this out.

[county residue]

ok i'll stop if he does.
this boss is she the 1 out of hq with no street time, showed up at xmas party with those leather pants? quit the crying, i'd work under her anytime forgive me for not finishing the 3 posts or cutting and pasting them

[pablo cruz]

jogue seus jogos em uma outra linha, não se preocupe que o vencedor seguirá. tem falado sim sobre mover alguns guys ao redor, sim lá está um guy com menos antigüidade, atribuída um carro aberto para poucas semanas seguintes, verificado apenas, seu squad é o único 1 com o papel para verificar os outros guys envolveu ninguém foi atribuído ou demoted, mas alguém overhear o seu e seu discutir do mentor quem o isnt pronto para um carro, parece os guys mais sênior do relevo está indo ser passado acima para os 2 do ano passado, também possivelmente introduzindo um guy do setor em uma outra zona que o didnt de i ouça de qualquer um, apenas um boato flutuando. outra vez todos envolvido é people/cops bom, esperança que podem trabalhar este para fora.

[im bi]

that is a cut and paste of back to reality in espanol, someone has way too much time on their hands, desk crew?

[does anyone really read t]

So much for sticking to the issues.

[birdie]

That wasn't Spanish. I think it was Portuguese. Can anyone translate?

[SPINNER]

yes see back to reality post right above it

[serf]

*********Translation***********

it plays its games in one another line, not if it worries that the winner will follow has spoken yes on moving some around guys, yes is one there guy with little seniority, attributed an car opened for few following weeks, verified only, its squad is only the 1 with the paper to verify the others guys involved nobody was attributed or demoted, but somebody overhear its and its to argue of the mentor who soon isnt for an car, seems senior guys of the relief is going to be passed above to the 2 of the passed year, also possibly introducing one guy of the sector in one another zone that didnt of i it hears of any one, only one rumor floating another involved time all is people/cops good, hope that can work this for is

[nefarioussix]

Summer is quickly approaching. And for another year we see how much the county cares about us,,, lets see what have they done to show that they care at all if you make it home at the end of your tour... Well you'll be getting a new shiney name tag, thats great for the guys on the North shore whose radios havn't worked for YEARS; or the 17 operator who continues to work GH alone, despite the fact that he lost his eastern back up to the 7th and has the busiest car in the precint to his west. But its okay guys, at least they will know who you are when we find your body.
Im sure we can expect a bunch of understanding from the bosses. Its so obvious already, in one of FIVE squads, the LT has his lackeys so scared they are out there threatening veteran officers (10+ years) that they will bounce them from their cars, or even the squad if they don't write more, They tell the 'new guys' (if you concider 2 years here and 5 years city 'new') that if they dont write 3 a day and make 3 arrests a month they will have them taken out of the squad. Sounds great huh? Its true. He has become so desperate, and so low, that the DELEGATE was taken out of his steady car (15 years on and 11 years in same sector, and it was done when the officers own sgt wasn't working). Thats the way to show the guys you care. Perhaps he thought he could 'scare' the rest, or at least intimidate the newer guys, but.. from what ive heard its not working. Too Bad. Great way to build mutual respect.
What it all comes down to is, We have to make sure WE all make it home every morning, every afternoon, or every evening. You are responsible for the guy next to you, you want to be in on a 511 arrest when your ajoining is getting his butt kicked at a domestic, would you want to be the one getting pounded waiting for back up? We do our job, we do it well, NO we do it GREAT but when they push you to the edge of the cliff, you either stand up and fight, or you splatter to the bottom in a spineless pile
buh bye dennis

[Unregistered6]

Hi Gary

[oww my back]

whats up steve

[det.x]

3 a day?? I can't believe that. That's completely absurd.

Sounds like the "we'll ask them for three, so maybe they'll give us 1 or 2" strategy. No OIC could really think he's getting 3 a day. Say it ain't so.

You sixth pct. slugs can't write 3 a day? That's like 1, maybe 2 v&t stops a tour. You know,,,,, you can make a v&t on your way to calls and back and forth to your fire houses. And 3 collars a month? You can't manage that? A shoplifter in custody, an F.A.T. for M.J. and a domestic. All practacly handed to you. What a bunch of pathetic losers. You guys are a joke, even the 4th. pct. laughs at you. At least they make no bones about what they do. You guys just whine and pretend.

[05-18-2004, 11:34 AM]

You sixth pct. slugs can't write 3 a day? That's like 1, maybe 2 v&t stops a tour. You know,,,,, you can make a v&t on your way to calls and back and forth to your fire houses. And 3 collars a month? You can't manage that? A shoplifter in custody, an F.A.T. for M.J. and a domestic. All practacly handed to you. What a bunch of pathetic losers. You guys are a joke, even the 4th. pct. laughs at you. At least they make no bones about what they do. You guys just whine and pretend.
some det. this is from

05-18-2004, 11:34 AM...which no doubt leads me to believe you are another version of the same disease a cop troll. You would understand the difference between cops doing their job and being threatened to be removed from their car if they do not meet the QUOTA. It was a case of a boss that got carried away.
Which means no one that posted here has answered. Not to waste my time arguing with you, but Its also a midnite squad...3 arrests in 12-14 days is kind of stretching it, and there are no fats on mids.
By the way just to clarify, it wasnt doing it, as there were 2 guys in the squad who wrote over 1000 summonses each in a year, and many guys who had 30 bodies easy. It was how the lt was treating the cops, and the fact that he was DEMANDING it.
Needless to say between then and now, the lt backed down and stopped acting like a jerk because he couldnt beat the whole squad.

Now you are dismissed

[johnny cash]

some det. this is from

05-18-2004, 11:34 AM...which no doubt leads me to believe you are another version of the same disease a cop troll. You would understand the difference between cops doing their job and being threatened to be removed from their car if they do not meet the QUOTA. It was a case of a boss that got carried away.
Which means no one that posted here has answered. Not to waste my time arguing with you, but Its also a midnite squad...3 arrests in 12-14 days is kind of stretching it, and there are no fats on mids.
By the way just to clarify, it wasnt doing it, as there were 2 guys in the squad who wrote over 1000 summonses each in a year, and many guys who had 30 bodies easy. It was how the lt was treating the cops, and the fact that he was DEMANDING it.
Needless to say between then and now, the lt backed down and stopped acting like a jerk because he couldnt beat the whole squad.

Now you are dismissed
typical cop groupie that knows a few catch phrases and thinks he can pass for a mos, read the thread, suffolk squad 5 means works 9-7 tour. there are no f.a.t.s on midnites.
Last time it was tabulated 6th pct had more arrests calls and summonses per cop then any other pct. Notice not total arrests or calls, but per person average. Hardly 4th pct, and the Gordon hts car has more arrests then any other sector. I know this and I dont work there.
putz

[det.x]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.

[show and tell]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.
wow you know a date on the pba calender. that proves everything. No one but a cop would have that info. not.
While you may or may not be impressed by gordon hts, any hi crime area in suffolk has cope and the gang unit/nesot tripping over each other, and you would know that if you were a cop. bottom line is that the #1 patrol cop in 32s works there, single car.

[show and tell]

Furthermore, what other cushy areas???? Selden? Centereach? Farmingville? Medford? Ever drive by the Tracks in Port Jeff Station??? Its known as little C.I. Mall security??? We dont have a mall schmucko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Detective indeed!!!!!
As the poster stated yesterday, last summer the 6th pct was the most productive pct by officer, more arrests, summons and calls handled per cop then any other pct. And our 616,620, 613 sectors are still larger then the whole 1st pct.

[johnny cash]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.

Knowing some of the 6th boundaries and 1 date on the callendar doesnt make you a cop. The rest of your post and your style of writing shows clearly that you are not in fact a cop.
And you are still beating a dead horse from 2004.

[willie nelson]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.
The fact of the matter is you are a poser.

[willie nelson]

there are what 5, 6 different unions in suffolk with the same exact comp time pay day. You arent fooling anyone.
what is your half brother's babies mom sucking the cock of the janitor at social services??????

[getalife.com]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.
Are we really supposed to believe you are a cop? you sound like a insecure child. If you are a cop, which is doubtful, you probably are dangerous. Calm down, and stop trying to compare your penis to the cop in the 6ths. No one cares how big a penis you have. No one. Just handle your shit. You dont like the 6th, dont work there.
But reality is you arent a vop, just one of the scraggler trolls that cant give it up
get a life or better yet go drop dead

[wrong-answer]

The fact of the matter is you guys in the 6th. have an identity crisis. You cover Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jeff, and a few other very cushey areas. And then you have "GORDON HEIGHTS". So scary. It's about 2 sq. mi. in area and between COPE and the Gang Unit there are more cops tripping over themselfs there at any given time than anywhere else in the county. Admit what you are, a bunch of sniveling, whining, cry babys who need to feel like they are something their not. Your just glorified crossing guards and mall security. How is it that you can look yourself in the mirror every night and not have a bad conscious. And as far as being a troll or not a M.O.S., just check the back of your PBA calender and check 12-13-07, thats the big pay day we wait for all year. If I wasn't a MOS how would I know that? You are dismissed assclowns.

You are a tool. If you were a scpd you wouldnt be a mos, No one in scpd is referred to as m.o.s that is a nypd term. Just another trick to catch the poser known to us all as the ncpd poser...er I mean poster up to his evil deeds. You are too easy....but its fun. Please continue trolling? tnx
now buh bye

[macave42]

You shouldnt be explaining the tricks used to flush out the troll. You guys have done this several times, it only helps the troll become a better troll.

[SCPO Fo Sho']

You shouldnt be explaining the tricks used to flush out the troll. You guys have done this several times, it only helps the troll become a better troll.

Who cares, there's a million other tricks for him to learn before he can continue without constantly getting tripped up in his ridiculous lies. Besides I enjoy this guys BS more than the last loser troll we had. I would like to keep this one for awhile.

[Unregalistered]

Who cares, there's a million other tricks for him to learn before he can continue without constantly getting tripped up in his ridiculous lies. Besides I enjoy this guys BS more than the last loser troll we had. I would like to keep this one for awhile.

hes not a pet, hes a real human person with feelings you know!!

[369qs3]

369qs3

[OTJ-1st]

We fixed a LT. once in the 1st. He was a pompous snoopervisor.

One early morning on the Mids, he gets involved in a middle of a 10-16 at the DP DINER involving a bunch of intoxes. Calls for help. Troops FINALLY arrived..... if you get my drift.

When the troops did arrived he was grateful he was saved. Looked like a scared puppy. Appreciated his squad that midnight tour.


Of course, after a few tours, he went back to his old condescending ways.
That is the way egotistical people tend to be.


A good old fashioned blanket party?

[HQknow]

i hear a certain Lt. in HQ is going back to the 6th pct....better set up those stings again.