CAUGHT ON TAPE

[TBAW]

What is up with these reported sightings of news folks riding around in set-up cars researching profiling? If they come around by me, they better be obeying all of the more than one-thousand pages of rules in the VTL!!!
BRING IT ON FOLKS, I'LL SEE YA AT TVB!!

[Ill go one better]

The FBI ran similar sting operations in which female agents would speed and refuse to pull over and then start unbuttoning their blouses and offer sexual favors. When the cop would be all business the bitch would scream and shout refuse to give their drivers licenses and then just when the cop was ready to call down the troops the U/C piece of mierde would have the FBI backup come in and tell the Hwy officer "uh we were just testing you". Why oh why some female FBI agent didn't leave in cuffs for the VTL violations I'll never know.

[NY JAG]

well suffolk doesnt need to be set up there already employing sick twisted perverts that will make your wife strip and walk home half naked. total abuse of authority and another disgrace to the people of this county.
I cant imagine how the husbands felt having there wives violated by such animals.

[commentary skate punk hom]

Close your pie hole boy and stop posting about things you know nothing about. Have your mommy wipe your ass and make you a PB&J for lunch at school tomorrow. Don't forget to ask your English teacher to tell you the difference between their, there and they're your spelling sucks.

[Local]

when the cop was ready to call down the troops the U/C piece of mierde would have the FBI backup come in and tell the Hwy officer "uh we were just testing you".

..and I'm sure they swore to secrecy the first officer they tested in this manner...and the 2nd, and 3rd....lol...

Do you seriously want us to believe the feds told a hywy cop they were performing integrity tests? Talk about letting the cat out of the bag...lol...

Why oh why some female FBI agent didn't leave in cuffs for the VTL violations I'll never know.

Because like the highway cop, she was simply doing her job.

I don't understand why cops resent having their integrity tested. The people they serve have a right to insure police officers remain loyal to them. Especially in departments where field supervision is practically non-existant.

[TBAW]

"I don't understand why cops resent having their integrity tested. The people they serve have a right to insure police officers remain loyal to them. Especially in departments where field supervision is practically non-existant."
POLICEWORK is an integrity test friend, all day, every day.... A television news crew out to prove a point, not investigate an issue, is a minor annoyance I wish to invite upon myself.
I don't know what the exact county-wide ratio is, but the lagest number of PO's a sergeant is normally assigned to supervise, in my prectinct (15 sectors/3 assigned supervisors), is about 8....

[Dear Local and tbaw]

It is OK in your book for reporters and the FBI to break the law to prove a point. Great idea just make sure you let the rest of the public aware of it. "I know you stopped me for speeding officer, but I was just testing you". "I know you stopped me because I was speeding, but If I give you (money, sexual favors etc.) it's really because I am testing your ability to resist these things and therefore you shouldn't arrest me for attemted bribery". This is a dangerous game to play, a long time ago in a land far away a certain Hwy. unit had TPF (Tactical Patrol Force) until some "I'm gonna prove a point" Newsday reporter decided to see what would happen if they sped, led cops on a pursuit and refused to comply. TPF was disbanded because Newsday didn't like how Highway handled their "test". Boss I have admired your position on many things before, but I'm not too fond of this one.

[scpd patrol]

I wonder if someone invited or hired this clown into Suffolk County to look for a needle in a haystack. Maybe this person wanted some "heat" taken off him? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but....

The best way to handle this former PO from Florida with an axe to grind is very simple. Conduct yourself as though you were always being videotaped. You'll never go wrong this way. I've never seen what this guy is looking for go on in Suffolk. We are fortunate to have professional officers out here. sure, we have had a couple of bad apples over the years, but you'll find that in any job, public or private sector. Those who have crossed the line have been dealt with. The SCPD would agree that they don't want guys like that on the job. Same goes for drug users.

[SCPD alumni]

I watched the last so called "expose'" on TV which was supposed to uncover racial profiling. I personally found the methods used allowed the producers to come to flawed conclusions.

Picture this: You're a cop working a midnight shift. You're in the local 7-11 grabbing a cup of joe and BS'ing with the counterman. You notice a beat up car pass by several times. You're taking notice, but nothing sinister yet. You leave the store and go about patrolling your sector. You stop at a traffic light and the same car pulls up alongside your marked PD. The driver gives you a furtive glance, then drives off. You now notice that the car has out of state plates. The car turns off on a side street that goes into a residential area, then comes back out. Hmmm. You stop the driver and question him. He's nervous and can't answer questions correctly. Based on your observations you suspect he is up to no good.

Here are your choices: Check him out real good or let him go because he is a minority. What should a good cop do? You be the judge.

This is how these so called "stings" are staged. Give me a break.

[huh]

Where you hiding them all?????

[blueman]

ILL TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE.....THE NEXT TIME (OR MAYBE THE 1ST) YOU CALL THE POLICE YOU WILL SEE ONE SHOW UP AT YOUR DOOR!

[ONDAJOB]

THE CRACKHEAD, CONVICTED, DRUG DEALING FELON OR ONE OF THE OTHER HIGH CLASS SOCIAL MISFITS?

[two dollars a day]

alumni. you left out the fact that that car was driving around an area that had recently had a rash of burglaries and there were burglar's tools on the back seat and the driver had a police scanner tuned in to the local pct. if it walks like a duck looks like a duck and sounds like a duck treat it like a duck. the nassau guy is the same clown in suffolk who the other night after driving like an a hole so he would get pulled over led the cops on a short low speed pursuit. i hope somebody locks him up and you can bet your but i ain't watching upn 9 anymore

[TBAW]

Perhaps I lost you somewhere....I never meant to say it was permissible to violate the law in order to 'test' police. I said, bring it on.... I agree that an observed violation (or suspicious activity) invites action. These folks who 'test' us should be careful what they wish for, THEY may fail the test, and face the repercussions!

[Suffolk Guy]

The guy doing the "integrity tests" is Kamau Diop. You can find him on the net. A total jackass in my humble opinion. Got himself fired from a Florida PD and now has an ax to grind.If you do a V&T and he is in the car, there is a section of the V&T that is appropriate 397 titled "Equipping motor vehicles with radio receiving sets capable of receiving signals on the frequencies allocated for police use." Very useful hope you have the chance to use it!

[scpd patrol]

This idiot has made a complaint against the officers he originally dealt with. It's a very weak one but he made one none the less. I think this guy has to be arrested if he commits any future misdemeanors or violations. See Newsday today (courtesy article), no courtesy for him!! Collars over summonses!

[Your conscience]

Its bad karma to suggest someone should be placed under arrest for making a complaint

Kar"ma\, n. [Skr.] The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny.

[SCPD alumni]

Even though you may only be enforcing the law, we both know where this would wind up. The politically correct in this county would jam it up your ass if you dared write or collar one of these jerks. If they couldn't get you for some trumped up charge on a violation of the R&P's, they'd ruin your career for exposing the county to a lawsuit and bad publicity. This is what people like Diop count on. That and the backing of the media.

[Long gone]

Every year your PBA interviews candidates for public office. And both political parties get thousands of dollars in tickets from your members. Also may business go out of the way to get you and your family to buy from them. With all the police that are members of the police conference plus your family members you can have a real effect on any legislative district. I remember a letter that was sent to the legislature on my old agencies behave from the PBA president of the NYPD. He stated he had over a 100,000 members and retired members living in Suffolk County. Any legislative district win by that amount?

[scpd patrol]

Why should he be allowed to do whatever he wants to? He apparently was committing traffic infractions deliberately in front of those officers in order to be pulled over. It wasn't as though he had no idea of what he was doing. That was premeditated. I hope that, in the future, he will be written summonses, and if he commits a misdmeanor, collared.
This guy is also taking the police away from service calls and patrol. The citizen of Suffolk County gets screwed in the process. Their officer has to take time to deal with this malcontent who is grasping at straws. This malcontent apparently could not get what he originally set out to find ( unprofessional officers). He is sniffing around looking to file lawsuits against the Dept., County, and Police officers.

[seeker]

I didn't say the guy should be arrested for making a complaint. I said he should be arrested if he commits any misdmeanors or violations.

People make complaints all the time and are not arrested or summonsed as a result. If they commit violations of law down the line, they have to deal with the consequences.

[Suffolk Guy]

He is a Former/fired Fireman from a paid force on LI. What did you do to get fired JagOff?

[north amityville]

At the expense of the Suffolk County taxpayers, there was a married Suffolk County Cope officer caught on tape for well over an hour entertaining an "unrelated" married female visitor at a cope station so he could be home on time for dinner and his wife would be none the wiser. Now why is he still on the job ?

[anona]

WOW. You have to go to this website and click on "caught on tape" and listen to this assclown bait a 3rd pct cop and sgt into a confrontation. There are several audio recordings that are linked, and they claim that the entire "expose" will be on UPN news (yeah like ANYONE watches that rag) on May 15th. They then give a "coming attraction" of what the inside of the 3rd pct is like and why none of the complaints make it to the chief's office. UNREAL. This guy is a Colin Ferguson.

[expose of Don Jackson 3/1]

Quote:If I had a case of the ass w/ this guy I'd find out what section of NYS law prevents someone from engaging in the profession of Private Investigator without a license and then get a Warrant Request for that person.

That seems fair. But in the mean time could you tell us how you would deal with the Nassau officers who unlawfully detained an American citizen while they illegally searched his property?

I look forward to reading your opinion.

[U Cant Fool Me]

"I'm sure it won't surprise anyone that he LIED to the 3rd Pct."

I'm sure it won't surprise anyone that the 3rd Pct. lies about citizens claiming they resist arrest in fact its routine.

As far as practicing w/o a license. 90% of the workers on Long Island are unlicensed workers, including off duty PD.

You folks are notorius for slandering anyone who looks at you cross eyed. You guys are nothing more than jealous, vindictive bullies.

[Privateeye]

While this may have been on the sly, there maybe another reason why he was allowed to work in New York as an investigator. Some states do have Private investigation agencies licenses that will cover all their employees on the payroll. In New York State's case, one must have worked for a private investigation agency for at least three years before they are allowed to take the state PI test besides plunking down non refundable 400 big ones. So you can be hired by an agency regardless if the individual employee is licensed or not. In that case, you work under that agency's license and not a privately issued license. And it is not uncommon for private agencies to farm out work to others, including out of state PI's. But usually, that work is for the state that persons agency is licensed for.

[scpd patrol]

I went there yesterday. I couldn't for the life of me understand anything that was "said" on the audiotape. All I could make out was the sound of a blinker ( I think that's what it was). Without video taken from outside the car, one cannot see for himself/herself what was going on. i for one won't waste my time going back to the site.

[two dollars a day]

QUOTE:
But in the mean time could you tell us how you would deal with the Nassau officers who unlawfully detained an American citizen while they illegally searched his property?

there is no dealing with the nassau cops they did nothing wrong. there was no unlawful detention and there was no illegal search / seizure. they stopped the veh for a violation of the vehicle and traffic law and i am sure we can all agree when someone violates the vehicle and traffic law. police are allowed to stop them, detain them, and issue summonses. when the officers approached the vehicle they saw in plain view a police scanner tuned into the local pct and burglars tools on the back seat. both the us and nys constitutions state and have upheld that no one has an reasonable expectancy of privacy of the plainly viewable areas of their vehicle. so lets see so far they were stopped legally and we legally found a police scanner (which burglars often use so they can hear when the cops are coming) and burglars tools because they were in plain view which thus far means no illegal search and seizure. now combining the things we have already covered with the fact that there had been a recent rash of burglaries in that area and the drivers stories were dancing in circles and not going anywhere or explaining anything. we come to reasonable suspicion. i think any reasonable person would add up all of these circumstances and have reasonable suspicion to believe that they may have pulled over the guy who has been doing the burglaries. well what should you do in those circumstances. just let him go? of course not. i don't care weather the guy is white black green blue or purple. this situation needs to be investigated more. well yet again the us and nys constitutions say that when you have reasonable SUSPICION a crime has been committed or is about to be committed you may detain, search, and question an individual or the vehicle. that's right reasonable suspicion. not probable cause. probable cause comes into effect when making arrests. we're not arresting this guy right now we are conducting an investigation because this man may have or may be about to commit a burglary. then again maybe he has done nothing wrong that's why we conduct an investigation which includes a search of the veh for more burglars tools / proceeds/ weapons. i think we have established that we have reasonable suspicion that these things may be in the veh. after all i think even my 5 year old nephew can conclude that this guy may have done a burglary. even if we do not have reasonable suspicion which in this case there is. both constitutions once again state that on any car stop the driver and or passengers can be removed from the veh and patted down as well as a search of the "grabable area" can be conducted for officer safety. no reasonable suspicion or cause required. so maybe you've seen or heard something i haven't but there was a lawful reason for the stop and we have established reasonable suspicion to further detain and search the individual. i see no unlawful detention or illegal search /seizure. don't believe everything you see on the news they have magic of editing on their side and are able to edit out all of these facts so they make their news story look however they want. there are some cops out there that would have just let this guy go but those are the ones that you say are lazy and do nothing but sit in dunkin doughnuts. i don't want them patrolling my neighborhood. i want the good cops like the ones in this story that take the time to investigate suspicious circumstances. that's how criminals get arrested.

[doin the job]

Tru Dat!!!

[Resident]

Quote:there was no unlawful detention and there was no illegal search / seizure. they stopped the veh for a violation of the vehicle and traffic law

Could you tell us what and how many infraction(s), if any, were committed by the motorist detained in this case? Was this motorist cited for any infractions on the night he was detained?

...and why was he held in handcuffs?

Is it the practice of NCPD to handcuff Americans who allegedly committed traffic offenses?

Would you plz inform us what burglar tools were observed in his car?

I have no problem with the police temporarily stopping people in a public place. I agree the motorist's behavior was suspicious and warranted further investigation. BUT, I have a bigtime problem with officers who handcuff citizens based on the flimsy suspicion they had in this case.

Do you have any idea if any of the officers in this case were disciplined?

Finally, when detained by the police, is an American citizen lawfully required to respond to ANY of the officer's question? (other than identifying himself if being detained for committing an offense)

[What A Joke]

don, you know the answers to your questions; you set up the incident. so don't ask us here. go back to LA and leave the fine officers of nassau and suffolk alone. they aren't the ones that were mean to you when you were an angry disgruntled rookie.

[resident - an angry disgr]

re-read two dollars post, the answer to your questions lie within, if you don't like the answers that's another story.

by the by, legally a police officer can arrest a motorist for a vtl, in fact it is a form of arrest. as for cuffing, while interviewing a subject for possibley committing a crime it's called custodialization - an officer/subject safety issue. in this case it was the prudent thing to do.

[dlstsy]

Well stated two dollars.
Unfortunately for those who have a job where their safety is not a factor 8 hrs a day, they will never understand the difference between what we can legally do for our safety and what they see as unnecessary because the driver didn't come out shooting.

[Long gone]

I had a little trouble when I went in front of SCPD's ia investigator when I stated I handcuffed for safety. They wanted to see the CC report.

[two dollars a day]

Quote:
"Could you tell us what and how many infraction(s), if any, were committed by the motorist detained in this case? Was this motorist cited for any infractions on the night he was detained?"

It doesn't matter what or how many violations were committed it only takes one and the vtl is a rather thick book. technically speaking there is not one car on the road that cannot be written one ticket under the vtl. there's alot of stuff in there. It doesn't matter if he was written any tickets. just because a cop stops someone does not mean he has to write them a ticket. it's called discretionary powers. in many situations like this where an officer stops someone and then consequently preforms a lengthy investigation such as this one the officers usually decide to use their discretionary powers and not write the summons. most cops look at it as he has just inconvenienced this person for a lengthy period of time and he is now not arresting the person because the investigation was unproductive now especially if the person has been cooperative why should he inconvenience him more by issuing the summons. don't forget the other place where these discretionary powers come in as lexordo was nice enough to point out any person can be arrested for any vtl offense at any time. yes that means the next time you get pulled over for jabbering on your cell phone if the cop wants he can slap the cuffs on you and take you to the pct if he wants. Before everyone gets all riled up i am not saying this happens or is going to happen to anyone but it could if the cop wants to. usually they use their discretionary powers and decide to write a summons instead of taking you to the pct.

quote:
"...and why was he held in handcuffs?

Is it the practice of NCPD to handcuff Americans who allegedly committed traffic offenses?"

he wasn't held in handcuffs for a traffic offense it was as a safety precaution while an investigation was being preformed. the nys criminal procedure law has provisions which state that an officer who has reasonable SUSPICION (see my last post for more details) may stop someone and "demand" of him his name, address, and an explanation of his conduct. no vtl or other offense required just reasonable suspicion. it also states that in these situations the officer can use force if necessary to detain this subject. ie. authoritative oral command, placing of hands on the subject, placing subject against a wall or other stationary object, placing subject on ground, drawing a firearm, using a nightstick to contain the subject, pointing a firearm directly at a subject, or HANDCUFFING the subject. not to mention if you handcuff a subject while preforming a vehicle search it affords the officers the ability of being able to concentrate more on their search without having to worry about watching the subject because he might. run away, pull a concealed weapon out of the vehicle while the officer is concentrating on something else, he might pick up a rock, stick, or bottle off the street and use that as a weapon, or maybe he will sneak up behind the officer while he is distracted and try to take his gun away. handcuffs are not only for people under arrest they are also there to make everyone safer. emotionally disturbed persons are routinely handcuffed while being transported to psych institutions. they are not under arrest it is a safety precaution. i'm sure you've only seen what was on the news through the magic of editing. unless you were there and saw everything from start to finish in real time not the edited out version where they show you things out of time sequence and cut things out because that way it makes their story look better, then you have no idea what the mitigating circumstances were. the furtive movements the subject may have made the something sticking out from under the seat that looked like something else, or even comments the subject may have made. everyone says they want the cops to not be so quick to judge them well don't be so quick to judge the cops don jackson aka diop kamau has been on the news saying he is out to make cops look bad and will do so by any means. somehow i can't help but feel that once he is done with his editing magic his story isn't really what happened but it sure makes a good story. oh by the way jack and the bean stalk is a pretty good story too.

quote:
"Would you plz inform us what burglar tools were observed in his car?"

well for starters there was a police scanner tuned into the local pct. you may not know this but burglars often use these so that they can listen to the police so they know if the police are coming. this way they can beat feet before the cops get there. now you combine that with normally innocuous items such as a crow bar screw drivers gloves dent puller etc. etc. all things which can and are commonly used to commit burglaries and i think you have some mitigating circumstances.

"NYSPL 140.35 a person is guilty of possession of burglar's tools when he possesses any tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed OR COMMONLY USED for committing or facilitating offenses involving forcible entry into premises or offenses involving larceny by a physical taking, or offenses involving theft of services as defined in sub divisions four, five, and six of section 165.15 ... possession of burglars tools is a class a misdemeanor"

as for don jackson lying on his website saying that there is nothing illegal about having a scanner in nys

"nysvtl 397 equipping motor vehicles with radio receiving sets capable of receiving signals on the frequencies allocated for police use.
a person, not a police officer or peace officer, acting pursuant to his special duties, who equips a motor vehicle with a radio receiving set capable of receiving signals on the frequencies allocated for police use or knowingly uses a motor vehicle so equipped or who in any way knowingly interferes with the transmission of radio messages by the police ... is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not exceeding. one hundred dollars, or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both."

well now i guess we go back to discretionary powers after reading that excerpt from the nys vehicle and traffic law i can't help but think anyone on this board can argue that the driver's in both "stings" committed a CRIME. a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail. well i guess don got lucky both times. I guess the officers were benevolent and decided to use their discretionary powers and not effect an arrest for this misdemeanor. wow i guess now that we all have this information doesn't that contradict the findings of don's "stings". if the ncpd and scpd were truly racist and biased wouldn't they arrest a black man for committing a misdemeanor offense instead of just questioning him and then letting him go without arresting him. HMM kinda makes you think. oh yeah i forgot don lies and uses the magic of editing to make him look good and the cops look bad when it is really the other way around.

Quote:
"Do you have any idea if any of the officers in this case were disciplined?"

I have no idea but i can tell you if they were there was a grave injustice. i feel i have unequivocally proven in this and my last post that there was no unlawful detention or search or seizure. If you have some proof otherwise please show me but i haven't seen anything yet to show that anything illegal was done by the officers. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's illegal or unlawful. i have however seen how the drivers have clearly committed at least one misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in prison. you want to talk injustice i think it is an injustice that these people were not arrested and did not spend six months in jail. what legitimate need does ANYONE have to have a police scanner in their car. i can't come up with one.

Quote:
"Finally, when detained by the police, is an American citizen lawfully required to respond to ANY of the officer's question? (other than identifying himself if being detained for committing an offense)"

i'll be the first to admit i'm not really up on my miranda etc. so maybe someone else can help out here. to my knowledge they are not required to answer questions except to id themselves and in situations such as the ncpd situation the officers are not required to mirandize the subject.

Yet again i will say it, those ncpd officers did nothing wrong. we need more cops like that who are smart enough to look into suspicious circumstances and not be afraid that some idiot is filming them because they know their job, know the law, and know they are doing nothing wrong. we are truly blessed to have such professional, educated, and benevolent police forces such as the ncpd and the scpd.

[two dollars a day]

if someone hasn't done anything wrong why wouldn't they want to answer the officers questions?? sometimes a little kindness and cooperation goes a long way. and yes that is true on the blue side of the fence too. answering questions only makes things go quicker. that's why the questions are asked.

[scpd patrol]

good job!

[Maybe someone is]

For violating the terms of his FL license by committing a crime in NY by not having a NY PI license. Lets get his FL PI license revoked shall we. BTW if you want to see where he lives see below. That's one big house in FL. I guess being a professional race baiter is very lucrative. This dope is a Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton wannabe.

LEON COUNTY, FL 9217 HAMPTON GLEN CT, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32308


*** THIS DATA IS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY ***

PROPERTY TRANSFER RECORD FOR LEON COUNTY, FL

Buyer: KAMAU, DIOP; FERRELL, TYRA (Husband and Wife), Joint Tenancy

Buyer Mailing Address: 9217 HAMPATON GLEN CT, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32308

Seller: KHAZRAEE, BEHZAD

Property Address: 9217 HAMPTON GLEN CT, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32308

**************************** SALES INFORMATION *****************************

Sale Date: 8/20/1998

Recorded Date: 8/26/1998

Sale Price: $ 381,900 (Full Amount)

Total Transfer Tax: $ 2,673.30

Book/Page: 2161/2066

Deed Type: WARRANTY DEED

Assessor's Parcel Number: 14-04-07-Q-003-0

Legal Description: LOT: 3; BLOCK: Q; SUBDIVISION: GOLDEN EAGLE UNIT 5 (EXACT REPLAT OF UN X/205,; RECORDER'S MAP REFERENCE: PB 11 61

Brief Description: LT 3 BLK Q PB 11/61

*************************** MORTGAGE INFORMATION ***************************

Lender: COMMUNITY NATL MTG CORP

Type of Mortgage: FIXED RATE/CONVENTIONAL

Loan Amount: $ 343,656
LEON COUNTY, FL 9217 HAMPTON GLN, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32312


*** THIS DATA IS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY ***

PROPERTY RECORD FOR LEON COUNTY, FL

ESTIMATED ROLL CERTIFICATION DATE JULY 1, 2003

Owner: KAMAU DIOP; FERRELL TYRA; Owner Occupied

Mailing Address: 9217 HAMPTON GLEN CT, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32312

Property Address: 9217 HAMPTON GLN, TALLAHASSEE, FL 32312

**************************** SALES INFORMATION ***************************

Recorded Date: 08/1998

Sale Price: $ 381,900 (Full Amount)

Book/Page: 2161/2066

Prior Sales Date: 10/1997

Prior Sales Price: $ 37,000 (Full Amount)

Document Type: WARRANTY DEED

************************** ASSESSMENT INFORMATION *************************

Assessor's Parcel Number: 14-04-07- Q-003-0

Legal Description: LOT: 003; BLOCK: Q; SUBDIVISION: SUBDIVISION NUMBER: 07; SEC/TWN/RNG/MERIDIAN: SEC 4 TWN 2N RNG 1E

Brief Description: GOLDEN EAGLE PLANTATION UNIT 5 LOT 3 BLOCK Q OR 2063/1999 2161/2066

Market Value Year: 2003

Total Market Value: $ 391,034

Land Use: SINGLE FAMILY

Assessment Year: 2003

Assessed Land Value: $ 48,000

Assessed Improvement Value: $ 343,034

Total Assessed Value: $ 391,034

***************************** TAX INFORMATION *****************************

Tax Rate Code: COUNTY

************************* PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS *************************

Year Built: 1998 No. of Buildings: 1
Stories: Style:
Units: Air Conditioning:
Bedrooms: Heating:
Baths: Construction: Steel
Partial Baths: Basement:
Total Rooms: Exterior Walls:
Fireplace: Foundation:
Garage Type: Roof:
Garage Size: Elevator:
Pool/Spa: Lot Size:
Building Area: 3467


The Post and Courier (Charleston, SC), December 16, 2003 Tuesday FINAL Edition, 609 words, Jackson urges students to beat adversity; In remarks at 'town hall' meeting, civil rights activist calls for fight to end injustice, BY DENESHIA GRAHAM AND SEANNA ADCOX Of The Post and Courier Staff
... Monday night that also included Diop Kamau, executive director of the National ...

2. The Times (Shreveport, LA), September 27, 2003 Saturday, LOCAL STATE; Pg. 1B, 392 words, NAACP to start complaint center, Diane haag, Staff, dhaag@gannett.com
... doing their job," said Diop Kamau, executive director of the center. " ...
DIOP KAMAU (82%); ANTHONY MOLETTE ( ...

3. The Augusta Chronicle (Georgia), August 11, 2003 Monday,, FINAL EDITION, METRO,, Pg. B06, 660 words, WATCHDOG GROUP FACES LIMITS, Doug Gross; Morris News Service, AUSTELL, GA.
... own devices," said Diop Kamau, the director of the Tallahassee, Fla.- ...

4. Florida Times-Union (Jacksonville, FL), August 11, 2003 Monday,, Georgia Edition, NATIONAL INTERNATIONAL;, Pg. A-1, 1043 words, Cuts clog agency's policing abilities Team probes police officers, Doug Gross, Times-Union staff writer
... own devices,' said Diop Kamau, director of the Tallahassee-based ...
DIOP KAMAU (59%);

5. Pensacola News Journal (Pensacola, FL), June 26, 2003 Thursday, LOCAL; EM; Pg. 1C, 367 words, SCLC chapters pick Pensacola for state meeting, Brett Norman, Staff
... Friday. 9 a.m.: Diop Kamau, director of the Police Complaint ...

6. MSNBC, SHOW: SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY 22:00, June 18, 2003 Wednesday, NEWS; INTERNATIONAL, 7431 words, SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY For June 18, 2003, Steve Emerson Joe Scarborough; Lisa Myers
... Watson; Christopher Shays; Diop Kamau; Rick Robinson; Ron ...
... high-speed chases are Diop Kamau, a retired police ...
... opposed to these car chases? DIOP KAMAU, POLICEABUSE.ORG: Well, ...
... KEVIN WATSON (59%); DIOP KAMAU (59%);

7. Fox News Network, THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:37), July 16, 2002 Tuesday, Transcript # 071605cb.256, News; Domestic, 1693 words, Unresolved Problem, Diop Kamau, Ken Hamblin, Bill O'Reilly
... Hamblin; and from Tallahassee, Florida, Diop Kamau, the executive director of the Police ...
... How do you see it? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER ...

8. Fox News Network, FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN (22:29), March 27, 2002 Wednesday, Transcript # 032703cb.260, News; International, 1476 words, On The Record Political Headlines, Diop Kamau, Rich Roberts, Greta Van Susteren, Geraldo Rivera
... Joining me from Tallahassee, Florida, Diop Kamau, a retired police ...
... southern New Jersey? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINTS CENTER: ...
... SUSTEREN: All right. Diop... KAMAU: I'll take the lecture ...

9. Fox News Network, FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN (22:41), March 4, 2002 Monday, Transcript # 030405cb.260, News; International, 1163 words, Interview With Diop Kamau and Bill Cunningham, Diop Kamau, Bill Cunningham, Greta Van Susteren
... police brutality expert Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...
... for or against the boycott and why? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... VAN SUSTEREN (94%); DIOP KAMAU (78%); STEVEN ROACH ( ...

10. The News-Press (Fort Myers, FL), July 29, 2001 Sunday, BONITA COLLIER; Pg. 1H, 387 words, City bracing for decision on shooting, Cindy Long, Staff
... wake of the fatal shooting. Diop Kamau, a former police ...
MARVIN HARRIS (91%); DIOP KAMAU (81%); GEORGE STANSBURY ( ...

11. Press Enterprise (Riverside, CA), July 09, 2001, Monday, Pg. A01, 1795 words, Police well-protected against dismissal: PUBLIC SAFETY: A ruling in a firing stemming from the Tyisha Miller case shows how hard the process can be., PHIL PITCHFORD, LISA O'NEILL HILL AND RICHARD BROOKS; THE PRESS-ENTERPRISE
... public confidence, said Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...

12. The Quill, July 1, 2001, No. 6, Vol. 89; Pg. 55 ; ISSN: 0033-6475, 2134 words, A CLOSER LOOK AT RACIAL PROFILING; Statistical Data Included, Cooper, Steve
... officers paid to the whites. Diop Kamau, a former police ...

13. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Wisconsin), April 26, 2001 Thursday, FINAL EDITION, Pg. 03B, 671 words, Citizen reports on police are focus; Coggs wants uniform system for complaints about misconduct, LEONARD SYKES JR. of the Journal Sentinel staff
... abuses by officers. Diop Kamau, whose Tallahassee, Fla.-based ...

14. The Times Union (Albany, NY), October 8, 2000, Sunday,, 4 EDITION, Pg. A9, 986 words, Watchdog organization tracks police misconduct, NICOLE CUSANO; American News Service
... operation in 1988, Diop Kamau and some friends strolled ...

15. Fox News Network, THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:29), September 14, 2000 Thursday, Transcript # 091402cb.256, News; Domestic, 1065 words, Miami Police Embroiled in Controversy, Diop Kamau, Bill O'Reilly
... profit national organization, Diop Kamau. Mr. Kamau, this tape is ...
... pummeled. Could there be extenuating circumstances? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER ...

16. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution, August 17, 2000, Thursday,, Home Edition, 451 words, Gunpowder tests never taken of officer in death of Norcross child, Beth Warren, Rick Badie, Staff
... pay --- should be fired, said Diop Kamau, executive director of the Citizens' ...

17. Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio), July 18, 2000 Tuesday, FINAL / ALL, NATIONAL; Pg. 6A, 477 words, CENTER TO COMPILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST POLICE, By DRU SEFTON; NEWHOUSE NEWS SERVICE
... national activist says. And Diop Kamau, executive director of the nonprofit ...

18. Newhouse News Service, July 17, 2000 Monday, DOMESTIC, 639 words, NAACP, Police Complaint Center to Collaborate in Addressing Brutality, By DRU SEFTON
... national activist says. And Diop Kamau, executive director of the nonprofit ...

19. Fox News Network, FOX THE EDGE WITH PAULA ZAHN (22:00), July 13, 2000 Thursday, Transcript # 071301cb.260, News; Domestic, 4937 words, Philadelphia Police Under Fire After Beating Carjacking Suspect, Diop Kamau, Bo Dietl, Ron Daniels, Bill Stanton, Paula Zahn
... on police misconduct, Diop Kamau. And here in the studio, I ...
... us what you think you see. DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... once again by Diop Kamau, Bo Dietl, and also joining ...
... now from Tallahassee, Florida, is Diop Kamau. And here in New York, ...
... police officer's car? Diop? KAMAU: Well, if officers are entitled to ...

20. Fox News Network, FOX HANNITY & COLMES (21:00), June 20, 2000 Tuesday, Transcript # 062001cb.253, News; Domestic, 4332 words, Mob Violence Follows Lakers Victory in NBA Championship, Ken Hamblin, Diop Kamau, Armstrong Williams, Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes
... Williams is with us; from Tallahassee, Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...
... it. HANNITY: As we speak -- Diop Kamau, we've had you on this program. You ...
... people are acting this way? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... sex crime. HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: Well, that speaks to a ...
... Look at the video, Diop! KAMAU: ... within the department. HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: The police commissioner, Safir, has been ...
... again of being... HANNITY: Diop Kamau... KAMAU: ... indifferent and hostile to minorities. HANNITY: Diop Kamau... KAMAU: But this is now the ...
... they're equally... HANNITY: Diop, we have... KAMAU: ... hostile to women. HANNITY: ... the ...
... HANNITY: Hang on, Diop. KAMAU: ... a pattern within ...
... needs to be held... HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: ... to account. HANNITY: Please ...
... HANNITY: Let him finish, Diop. KAMAU: ... to the relationship... HANNITY: Diop! ...
... on board with us, Diop Kamau and our other good friend, ...
... HANNITY: All right, Diop? KAMAU: Yeah. A couple ...
... controlled and not... COLMES: Diop... KAMAU: ... allowed to abuse people. ...
... at all. HANNITY: Diop Kamau, thank you. Ken Hamblin, ...

21. The Houston Chronicle, May 10, 2000, Wednesday, 3 STAR EDITION Correction Appended, A;, Pg. 29 MetFront, 371 words, Officer secretly filmed is put on suspension ; Watchdog group taped Santa Fe police sergeant, KEVIN MORAN, SANTA FE, Suspensions Police Incidents Texas
... who made the inquiry was Diop Kamau, a former police ...
DIOP KAMAU (92%); TONY KOVALESKI ( ...

22. Scripps Howard News Service, May 09, 2000, Tuesday, DOMESTIC NEWS, 703 words, Sacamento to issue officers stun guns, RALPH MONTANO, SACRAMENTO, Calif.
... stun guns," said Diop Kamau, executive director of Police ...

23. FOX NEWS NETWORK, FOX THE EDGE WITH PAULA ZAHN (22:39 ET), October 6, 1999, Wednesday, Transcript # 100605cb.260, News; Domestic, 772 words, Domino's Delivers?, Roy Innis; Diop Kamau, Paula Zahn
... Congress of Racial Equality, and Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...
... using good judgment? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... KAMAU: Every... ZAHN: ... Diop Kamau and Roy Innis, thank you ...
... ALFREDO INNIS (94%); DIOP KAMAU (57%);

24. FOX NEWS NETWORK, FOX HANNITY & COLMES (21:30 ET), May 13, 1999, Thursday, Transcript # 051302cb.253, News; Domestic, 5174 words, New York Police Brutality, Steven Rogers; Keith Watters; Diop Kamau, Sean Hannity; Alan Colmes
... a living, correct? DIOP KAMAU, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, POLICE ...
... Oh, Diop, Diop, Diop... KAMAU: ... (INAUDIBLE)... ROGERS: ... listen, ...
... just saw peacefully Diop Kamau puts his... HANNITY: Peacefully? ( ...
... somebody answer that question? Did you, Diop? KAMAU: What (INAUDIBLE) ask... ROGERS: Did he have ...
... COLMES: Keith Watters and Diop Kamau, thank you. And thank you for ...

25. FOX NEWS NETWORK, FOX HANNITY & COLMES (21:40 ET), March 30, 1999, Tuesday, Transcript # 033003cb.253, News; Domestic, 2639 words, Police Brutality, Anthony Pope; Diop Kamau, Sean Hannity; Alan Colmes
... in Tallahassee by Diop Kamau, the executive director of the Police ...
... doing, buddy? Diop... DIOP KAMAU, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, POLICE ...
... I categorize that right, Diop? KAMAU: I've been successful in ...
... my good pal Diop Kamau is the executive director of the Police ...
... may be against them... HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: ... Let me finish... just the ...
... police administrators... HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: ... we might not have this ridiculous ...
... hang on. Here's the problem, Diop. KAMAU: Yes, go ahead. ...
... right, final question, Diop Kamau. Well, I'll tell you what ...
... people in the community, Diop. KAMAU: It doesn't have any - ...
... for being with us. Diop Kamau, out of Tallahassee tonight. ...

26. FOX NEWS NETWORK, FOX HANNITY & COLMES (22:00 ET), February 18, 1999, Thursday, Transcript # 021803cb.253, News; Domestic, 8379 words, Police Brutality, William Bratton; Diop Kamau; Graham Weatherspoon; Rich Roberts, Sean Hannity; Alan Colmes
... rate. From Tallahassee, Florida, Diop Kamau, a former police ...
... back. How are you, sir? DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... under investigation. COLMES: Diop Kamau, what about this, nationwide, this issue that ...
... HANNITY: You didn't understand me, Diop. KAMAU: My other point is... ...
... Bill Bratton with us. Diop Kamau, as well. Commissioner Bratton, of ...
... justify this shooting. HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: Either it's incredibly ...
... man's life. HANNITY: Or Diop... KAMAU: And let me speak to the racial ...
... Wait a minute. Diop... KAMAU: If I could for just ...
... Wait a minute, Diop. KAMAU: On the racial issue... ...
... HANNITY: Or could it be they panicked, Diop? KAMAU: I simply doubt, ...
... HANNITY: Now, that's disgraceful, Diop. KAMAU: Sean, if they shot... HANNITY: ...
... commissioner William Bratton, Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...
... KAMAU: ... shootings... HANNITY: Diop... KAMAU: ... and be exempt. You know something? If ...
... Wait a minute, Diop. KAMAU: Go ahead. HANNITY: You have... ...
... Let him answer the question, Diop. KAMAU: Go ahead. BRATTON: ...
... COLMES: By the way, Diop Kamau is with us still as well, and ...
... it's so easy... DIOP KAMAU: That's nonsense. HANNITY: We love you, ...
... moment... (CROSSTALK) COLMES: ... and Diop Kamau will have more time ...
... Union of Police Associations, and Diop Kamau, executive director of the Police ...
... themselves. And by the way, Diop... KAMAU: Right. But do you know what ...
... up these numbers... HANNITY: ... Diop... KAMAU: ... you've got 30 ...
... my -- here's my answer to you, Diop... KAMAU: ... how many African- ...
... Rich Roberts, thank you. Diop Kamau, thank you. Video Graffitti is ...

27. NBC News Transcripts, DATELINE NBC (10:00 PM ET) , August 14, 1998, Friday 9:19 AM, 3897 words, COP LAND; DIOP KAMAU ON A CONTORVERSIAL CRUSADE TO FIND POLICE OFFICERS WHO ABUSE THEIR AUTHORITY, JOHN HOCKENBERRY
... John Hockenberry. Mr. DIOP KAMAU: (From video) (Voiceover) And you said you were ...
... HOCKENBERRY reporting: (Voiceover) Diop Kamau is a man on ...
... people might say Diop Kamau himself escalated the situation. ( ...
... 40-year-old Diop Kamau. He's still mad and not ...
... system. HOCKENBERRY: (Voiceover) Diop Kamau, you see, used to be part of the ...
... Web site) HOCKENBERRY: Diop Kamau's father died in ...
... Voiceover) At this point, Diop Kamau, who has been stationed outside, ...
... all now part of Diop Kamau's Internet archive--living ...
... a score, what drives Diop Kamau is his passion to change the world, to ...
DIOP KAMAU (99%); JOHN HOCKENBERRY ( ...

28. NBC News Transcripts, DATELINE NBC (10:00 PM ET) , August 14, 1998, Friday 9:19 AM, 327 words, DATELINE NBC, 10:00 PM, LISA RUDOLPH
(Diop Kamau holding camera; Kamau and ...

29. NBC News Transcripts, DATELINE NBC (10:00 PM ET) , August 11, 1998, Tuesday 5:40 PM, 3826 words, NYPD BLUES?; INVESTIGATION INTO NYPD'S HANDLING OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS REVEALS DISAPPOINTING RESULTS, JOHN HOCKENBERRY
... Police officer) Mr. DIOP KAMAU: I heard you say ...
... Headed by this man, Diop Kamau, a crusader who has ...
... investigator, Paul Parker. (Diop Kamau with computers; video of abuse; ...
... city. This time, we used Diop Kamau, Paul's boss as the tester. We ...

30. FOX NEWS NETWORK, FOX HANNITY & COLMES (21:30 ET), July 8, 1998, Wednesday, Transcript # 070802cb.253, News; Domestic, 4124 words, Police Brutality, Curtis Sliwa; Diop Kamau, Sean Hannity; Alan Colmes
... In Tallahassee, Florida, Diop Kamau, my that to butter you up there, ...
... back to HANNITY & COLMES. DIOP KAMAU, POLICE COMPLAINT CENTER: ...
... International for that. COLMES: Diop Kamau, what about this? The numbers speak ...
... in New York. Diop Kamau joins us, executive ...
... Appreciate that. Curtis Sliwa, Diop Kamau, thank you both for ...

31. Austin American-Statesman (Texas), June 1, 1997, News; Pg. A25, 1046 words, Ex-officer tests police for racism; Using himself as a decoy,, Paul Shepard
... Los Angeles suburb, and Diop Kamau hasn't attracted the attention of ...
Diop Kamau cruises California streets ...
... Ferrell, with daughter Amina. // Diop Kamau cruises California streets ...

32. Charleston Gazette (West Virginia), May 28, 1997, Wednesday, News; Pg. P8B, 1011 words, COP BUSTER : EX-OFFICER TRIES TO EXPOSE RACIST POLICE BLACK DRIVERS UNFAIRLY TARGETED, MAN CONTENDS, Paul Shepard
... Los Angeles suburb, and Diop Kamau hasn't attracted the attention of ...

33. St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri), May 28, 1997, Wednesday, FIVE STAR LIFT EDITION, NEWS, Pg. 06A, 490 words, MAN WITH CAMERAS CRUISES CALIFORNIA TO FIGHT POLICE RACISM, AP, REDONDO BEACH, CALIF.
... suburb of Los Angeles, and Diop Kamau has not attracted the attention of ...
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[Your like]

On the News 12 site. Get a life.

[Resident]

two dollars - the nys criminal procedure law has provisions which state that an officer who has reasonable SUSPICION (see my last post for more details) may stop someone and "demand" of him his name, address, and an explanation of his conduct.</two dollars>

If you don't mind, I have a question. If I'm walking down the street minding my own business and an officer walks up to me and starts asking me questions, is there a law that says I "must" respond the officer's questions? If there is a law, what is the penalty for not cooperating?

[Resident]

Resident asked two dollars: Could you tell us what and how many infraction(s), if any, were committed by the motorist detained in this case? Was this motorist cited for any infractions on the night he was detained?"

two dollars replied: It doesn't matter what or how many violations were committed it only takes one and the vtl is a rather thick book.

I'm sure the VTL is a police officer's allie. I am also pretty sure there are a few officers who get a thrill out of destroying people with their pen. But that's not the issue.

The issue is why you did not provide a direct response the the above question. Your response should have been, "the motorist was not issued a citation because he was not stopped for committing any offense. He was stopped because article 140.50 of the NYS CPL says the police have this awesome power to detain citizens they believe may or have been up to no good, criminally speaking."

I don't mean to criticize you, but if you are going to respond to stuff people slap on the wall, plz try to provide a direct answer to the comments you are replying to. I answered my own question in four lines. You in turn, burned up twenty lines avoiding the question I asked.

[Resident]

Thanks for the lesson in detaining people. I am still not comfortable with the fact that a man was handcuffed for approximately an hour while the police searched his car. I understand why they stopped him, I understand why they searched his car, yet, if we are to believe UPN's report, I don't understand why he was cuffed for an hour. I believe he presented valid ID when he was asked to. I see no reason, in this case, to cuff a guy for an hour.

two dollaers wrote: everyone says they want the cops to not be so quick to judge them well don't be so quick to judge the cops don jackson aka diop kamau has been on the news saying he is out to make cops look bad and will do so by any means. somehow i can't help but feel that once he is done with his editing magic his story isn't really what happened but it sure makes a good story. </two dollars>

You apparently are a police officer. Haven't you ever asked yourself this question about some of your fellow officers, "I can't believe how stupid some cops are?"

Cops are their own worst enemy.

[Resident]

Quote:two dollars wrote:

Yet again i will say it, those ncpd officers did nothing wrong. we need more cops like that who are smart enough to look into suspicious circumstances and not be afraid that some idiot is filming them because they know their job, know the law, and know they are doing nothing wrong. we are truly blessed to have such professional,

two dollars, if you recall, in another post you admitted the police deatined a bad guy and when they found probable cause he was committing a crime, they let him go.

I'm curious, based on your own admission, how can you continue to characterize nassau police as professionals?

[Resident]

Quote:two dollars a day:
I guess the officers were benevolent and decided to use their discretionary powers and not effect an arrest for this misdemeanor. wow i guess now that we all have this information doesn't that contradict the findings of don's "stings". if the ncpd and scpd were truly racist and biased wouldn't they arrest a black man for committing a misdemeanor offense instead of just questioning him and then letting him go without arresting him. HMM kinda makes you think. oh yeah i forgot don lies and uses the magic of editing to make him look good and the cops look bad when it is really the other way around.

I would like to ask you to go back and re-read the above quote that you were kind enough to splash on the wall for our reading pleasure.

Correct me if I am wrong. You are saying the police stop a guy for suspicious behavior, find him bee-bopping to the local police scanner channel, observe burglars tools in his car, fear him to the extent he has to be rear cuffed, AND AFTER ALL THAT, when the police actually find him committing an illegal act by using a scanner, THEY LET HIM GO!!! I don't know whether to cry or laugh.

Here is a guy Nassau police suspect is a bad guy and when they catch him committing a crime, they give him a get out of jail free card.

two dollars a day, could you explain to me and other residents why the police who swore to serve and protect us in exchange for a handsome salary...officers who perceived the man they were detaining was a bad guy, did not arrest this person and insure he was who he said he was, and he was not wanted for a series of crimes across the USA?

two dollars a day, I owe you my gratitude for shedding a different light on this issue. Unfortunately, the light is getting dimmer as I learn new facts.

[6th Driver]

Yes I am a cop, and yes I have detained suspects and
placed them in handcuffs on occasion. I have even taken the cuffs off if I found I didn't have enough at the
time to lock them up. I am having trouble figuring out though you are expecting from us. I am reading about a
guy who set himself up to get pulled over and then
provided only one side of the story. I guess we should stop looking for bad guys. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.....

[Bystander]

It appears someone has taken two dollars a day and reduced him to a nickle a day. lol

[In re 6th driver]

As a certain CO of the 6th told me "thats why they make erasers for pencils" Dear resident catch a clue, and stop whining incredulously about a profession that you obviously don't have any knowledge about. News flash Police Officers can place cuffs on and detain people for various reasons. It's called Officer safety. We do it for EDPs (thats emotionally disturbed persons) aka nuts, we do it when a situation is out of control and someone is acting agressive. The alternative to this necessary precaution is that we don't cuff people who then possibly become violent and we have to use FORCE whether it be mere physical or even deadly physical force which of course you can never understand since you probably have never received a punch or been attacked by someone merely because you are the embodiement of governmental authority. Preventive handcuffing is legal, warranted and prudent in many situations. Just because your hemp wearing birkenstock owning college professor told you otherwise doesn't make it so. Act suspiciously and get treated suspiciously that includes when someone paints a picture that criminality is afoot by driving erratically in a rented car and possess multiple illegal items when viewed in the totality of the circumstances presents a picture of someone about to commit further crimes.

[radioways]

Speakly briefing on legal guidelines, according to the FCC, you know the Federal goverment, in order for one person to have a radio scanner in their vehicle is because they must be a Police Officer, a fire fighter and or a licensed ham operator, other than that, legally they are not supposed to be in any one vehicle.

[county resident]

Quote:6th Driver wrote:

Yes I am a cop,....I am having trouble figuring out though you are expecting from us.

Why would I want anything from you??

I'm just responding to and posting opinions on a public message board. I began reading this thread and for some inexplicible reason I became enamored. I, like most here, enjoy a good real life, drama packed crime story.

With the help of another poster, two dollars a day, I learned the real story is not about Nassau police targeting Africans. It's about our police officers showing a callous indifference to public safety when they failed to arrest a man who was committing a crime right in front of them...a man who they believed was a possible burglar.

I can't understand why the police on the scene spent an hour trying to build a case against a man they perceived was a felon, only to let him go when their potential felony case against him evaporated?

I can't understand why these officers did not arrest the UPN motorist for unlawful use of police frequencies. If I was a cop, I would be highly offended that some jerk was riding around in his car and eavesdropping on my police radio frequency. If in fact it is a crime to monitor police frequencies from a car, that alone would cause me to arrest him.

Yet, the most important reason to arrest the UPN motorist was to get his fingerprints on file and compare them to any prints recovered from the homes in the area that suffered from the rash of burglaries. Besides, since when do police officers in the state of NY have the lawful authority to ignore a person committing a crime right in front of them??????

Quote: I am reading about a guy who set himself up to get pulled over and then provided only one side of the story. I guess we should stop looking for bad guys. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.....

To the contrary. It appears the officer who made the decision to stop the UPN motorist deserves kudos for doing his job. After all, the UPN motorist was being instructed to attract attention to himself. I give the first cop credit for maikng the stop.

BUT, these officers failed to do their job and protect the residents of Nassau County. I still can't believe these officers developed probable cause to arrest a possible burglar, AND THEY LET HIM WALK!!!

[county resident]

Quote: In re 6th driver wrote:

Dear resident catch a clue, and stop whining incredulously about a profession that you obviously don't have any knowledge about.

Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately, it has little meaning. A frozen squid could figure out how nassau cops screwed this caper up.

Nassau police detained and handcuffed a man they suspected may be responsible for a rash of burglaries in the vicinity where they observed himacting suspicious. They detained him for one hour while they conduct an investigation in an effort to develop probable cause that he committed a crime. During the course of the investigation the police discover burglars tools and an illegally possesed police scanner tuned into the local police frequency. During the initial questioning of the UPN motorist he is evasive and apparently not cooperative.

Does it take anymore than common sense to figure out the police dropped the ball when they did not arrest the UPN motorist?

Can you explain why the UPN motorist, a man who the police believed was up to no good, was not arrested for unlawfully possessing or using the scanner? Wouldn't you be pissed off that some dope is riding around your precinct and listening in to the jobs you are assigned to. At the least, he sounds like some kind of psycho stalker or buff who should be arrested and evaluated by the courts. Or do you disagree with my opinion?

Quote:Just because your hemp wearing birkenstock owning college professor told you otherwise doesn't make it so.

Your self professed and patently indulgent intuitiveness hit a dead end with this comment. I dropped out of school in the tenth grade.

[Hey Resident]

Your point is well taken, but that last sentence......what a doosie

[crotchrocket]

You know whats ironic about this. If the cops simply did their job and arrested the guy they would have had the last laugh. Now they have egg on faces.

[briang]

I didnt realize police officers have discretion when deciding to arrest someone for committing a crime. Is there a certain criteria that must be met before police can let someone go for committing a crime. Or do they have full discretion when deciding who they want to arrest and who they don't want to arrest?

Does this discretion rule apply to all crimes or are there specific crimes where a police officer can use discretion when deciding who should be arrested and who they don't want to arrest?

I ask only because this discretion rule kind of does not make sense to me.

[hahahahaha]

It's like this. Not only is it a judgement call on top of their instints it's like the Miranda Law. They have it and do not always use it. Did you know that when making an arrest Police Officers on the scene do not recite the Miranda Law because in some criminal acts they don't have to. And maybe the guy whipped out a PBA courtesy card, too.

[Baba Rum Rasin]

HEY!! Are you people really this stupid, or are you just fuc$%ing with the cops?? Holy crap.

Two Cents a Day put it about as eloquently as possible, and ya just don't get it. That's because you're a bunch of freegin nitwits.

Good job Two Cents, BTW. You pretty much nailed it.
This is why the cop's job is nearly impossible. The decent citizens don't have time for this mindless complaining, just the morons who will never understand the true nature of Police work. It never ceases to amaze me how many complete idiots there are who can't seem to grasp a simple explanation in black and white.

If you're not plain stupid, then you just prefer to ignore the facts so you can continue your pathetic, jealous pastime, which is cop-bashing, and mud-slinging based on self-hatred and propaganda.

There's no chance that you goofballs will ever come close to comprehending the complex nature of Policing, and no doubt most of you would run like cowards at the first sign of danger. You know that deep inside, and you resent those who have the capacity to confront it.

Very simply - to add something that hasn't been mentioned - these cops did it EXACTLY right. There was plenty of reasonable suspicion intentionally created by that douchebag Diop AS HE INTENDED, and sufficient reason given his furtive behavior and the rash of Burglaries to put him in cuffs and detain him, while they tried to determine if he was a burglar.

Because they were trying NOT to do the wrong thing, they tried to determine, at the scene, if they had a burglar. In the end, it appeared that this asswipe was NOT a burglar, so he was released.

That's because he was not a burglar, get it? He really wasn't, and if they wanted to pick on a black man, I guess they might have dragged him in for possession of Burg tools, RIGHT?? So where's this scumbags claim of racism? It's nowhere.

A scenario was set up by this schmuck, and it played out the way it should have. Reasonable suspicion - investigation - and a completely appropriate resolution by releasing a guy who wasn't a burglar. Why? Well because cops don't like to falsely arrest people, even when they're major league douchebags.

And as far as the bullshit investigative reporting by UPN 9, it was full of erroneous comments, i.e. Police cannot handcuff a person unless he's suspected of committing an offense -WRONG. And cops aren't SUPPOSED to ask a person personal questions on a traffic stop - WRONG!!

No, you don't HAVE to answer and THEY know that, but they CAN ask you anything they think they need to. If you don't like it, too f-ing bad, then don't answer.
You bimbos have no clue what it takes to do good Police work. It takes instinct, determination and brains boys and girls. Most of you do not qualify, and you and we all know it, so shut the hey-ole up.

And "County Resident" - YOU, my small and unimportant friend - are the biggest jackoff of all. "The police showed a callous indifference to public safety..."
You're an idiot. If they didn't care about public safety, they would have never spent the time they did trying to sort this mess out. They made the right call in the end. What the hell is wrong with that.

You sir, are a moron. Thank you.

Time now for me to flip over, my golden tan is nearing it's usual state of near perfection.

Yes, the Eagle HAS landed!!!

I AM>>>Baba Rum Rasin

[Justathought]

You nailed that Baba!!!!! I have nothing to add... other than a good hearty thank you!!!

[Ufa]

Don't take that accolade from Justathought to heart, Baba. His biggest problem in life is the neighborhood kids, skinheads posing as "wanna be niggers" causing a ruckus in the nearby school yard, disturbing his peace and he then sic-ed the local COPE unit on them. Meanwhile this was as he and those wanna bees use the same dope connection.

[county resident]

Let's examine Baba Rum Rasin's credibility. He is sitting home alone @ 11PM on a Saturday night and posting to a police message board.

He repeatedly calls people names AND declines to address the fact that the police failed to arrest a person who was unlawfully monitoring police frequencies from his car.

Yet he claims the police did a terrific job. Yup, Baba Rum Rasin is a credible poster.

[county resident]

Regarding miranda - The police are not required to read miranda to prisoners. The only time the police are REQUIRED to read miranda is when they intend to ask questions about the case the prisoner has been taken into custody for. Or, if while questioning a person not in custody, they develop PC that the person they are questioning committed a crime, the police must stop questioning the person and read him miranda.

Example- The police arrest a guy for 511 violations (suspended license). There is no need to question the prisoner about his crime so therefore there is no need to read the prisoner miranda warnings.

Another example - The police arrest a person based on an indictment by a grand jury. Once an accusatory instrument has been filed against a person, that person has an automatic right to have his attorney present before the police question him. Therefore, at the time of his arrest, the police do not read miranda warnings to their prisoner because his attorney MUST be present at the time of questioning.

[county resident]

brian g wrote: I didnt realize police officers have discretion when deciding to arrest someone for committing a crime.

Brian, if the police develop probable cause that a person has committed either a misdemeanor or felony (in NYS, both are considered crimes), they DO NOT have the lawful authority to decide who they want to arrest and who they don't want to arrest.

When the police are given PC that a crime has been committed, they MUST arrest that person. It is the prosecutor's responsibilty to determine if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute a person who commits a crime, not the police.

The NYS legislature gives the police power to use discretion when investigating traffic infraction and thats it. If a person commits a crime, the police MUST arrest him...they have no discretion.

In the UPN caper, the UPN motorist committed a crime and the police ignored his crime. Why did they ignore his crime? Because they were looking for the glory of making a felony arrest. Once they determined he did not commit a felony, all the glory was gone and they shitcanned misdemeanor arrest.

Nassau police are infamous for referring to misdemeanor crimes as bullshit crimes...and they can get away with not arresting a person for committing a misdemeanor because the NCPD lets them. If you were the victim of a misdemeanor crime and the police did not arrest the perp, it is because they know they will not be jammed up for failing to do what NYS state law requires them to do...and that is arrest every person who commits a misdemeanor.

Brian, do you want the police deciding who they want to arrest and who they don't want to arrest? I don't. To me, that practice opens the door to corruption. What's to stop a cop from taking a bribe in return for using his alleged discretion?

Of course posters like Baba Rum Rasin, who incidentally can't spell his own name correctly, will tell you police do not take bribes or gratuities. Yeah right.

[Wise man]

I just perused the CPL (Criminal Procedure Law). No where in there does it say that police MUST arrest when they have PC (probable cause) a crime has been committed! Thumb through same and you will see what I mean. A retraction is in order as you are misinformed!

[Baba Rum Rasin]

Correct, Wise Man. Apparently I shook County Resident to his evil core, because he apparently did attempt to do some research in order to ressurect his ass-whipping.

Whereas his earlier posts oozed with rank ignorance and bitterness, his last few did attempt to piece together some accurate facts (i.e. his Miranda post)

However he lacks the capacity to see the big picture, and present these bits of fact, which he has gleaned by staying up all night doing web research, as a coherent, and practical real world application. He's a black and white kind of guy - i.e. the same type of guy that makes the worst kind of cop.

BTW - County Resident, you're posting early. No date last night? And that's the way my family spells our name. Rasin. What's the correct spelling of Diop? Oh yeah, Diop. It is what it is, a name, not a noun.

C.R. also stinks a bit like an ex-cop who was kicked off the job, which I am begining to suspect. A failed man, hence his bitterness. Very sad. And yes, still a pantload.

[county resident]

Quote:I just perused the CPL (Criminal Procedure Law). No where in there does it say that police MUST arrest when they have PC (probable cause) a crime has been committed! Thumb through same and you will see what I mean. A retraction is in order as you are misinformed!

Hello wise man. Before I consider retracting anything, I need a question answered.

This is the relevant CPL Article of law you referred to in a prior post:

1. Subject to the provisions of subdivision two, a police officer "may"
arrest a person for:

(b) A misdemeanor or felony when he has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed such misdemeanor or felony, whether in his presence or otherwise.
___

As we both see, the CPL says a PO "may" arrest for a felony.

So if you can identify one felony where a PO, using his alleged powers of discretion, "may not" make an arrest, I will apologize to all and buy a round of Krispy Kreme donuts for everyone. Does that seem reasonable?

I should note that if you are not able to name one felony where a police officer can use discretion to ignore the crime, that means that a police officer MUST make arrests for all felonies...and misdemeanors, doesn't it?

For anyone wondering what probable cause, aka, reasonable cause to believe, is:

www.lectlaw.com/def2/p089.htm

[county resident]

My dear friend, if what I have written does not hold a ring of truth, why are you investing soooo much time and effort attempting to debunk me while at the same time ignoring the topic of this thread?

[Baba Rum Rasin]

The topic of this thread is "Caught on Tape."
The question is "what exactly WAS caught on tape?"
The answer is "Nothing, except good police work."

This is no effort for me at all pal, while I work on my tan here at the beach outside my house upon the dunes, and my girl Joey Heatherton applies cocoa butter to my golden loins, I find it amusing and enlightening to surf and post with my wireless laptop while I listen to Ravi Shankar on my iPod.

I'm a retired superhero, and lovin it. I'm not trying to debunk you, per se, because it's not possible to debunk a bad attitude. My mission is to expose ignorance, and enlighten cowards as to the true nature of Police work. It's easy to be a cowardly back-seat driver. Not at all easy to be a cop.

BTW - speaking of continued debunking of your incorrect ramblings - There are many reasons why the Police legitimately do NOT have to arrest a person, even if that person is REASONABLY suspected of having committed a Felony.

One of those reasons is when it is clearly apparent that a successful prosecution can not occur. This is the policy of the D.A.'s Office. They haven't got the time to waste on a SOME cases when they clearly can not be prosecuted. Cops generally know this, and in order to not overburden the system, these cases may legally be "shitcanned." as you like to say.

Here's an example: Rape.

A woman comes into the Precinct and says that her husband forcibly raped her. She's clearly credible, but after being told by detectives that in order for them to have a successful prosecution on such a charge, she will have to go to the hospital and be examined by a doctor.

She says that she absolutely does not want to go through with that. She's told that there can't be a prosecution without her further cooperation to obtain supporting evidence, but says "listen, it's not worth it to me, I won't do that." And she decides she doesn't want to proceed. Case closed.

Rape? No reasonable cause, NOT to think so. Arrest? Nope.
Did the detectives decide not to make an arrest for rape, even though they had reasonable cause to believe it was committed? Jah. These things have happened, and you'll continue to kick your dog.

Welcome to the real world County Boy, where the real cops have to have the experience and guts to make some difficult calls, and seperate reality from the fairy tale world that you live in.

Thanks, for the honors. Your posts invigorate me, I feel like I'm 82 all over again.

Time to flip, where's Ms. Joey?



The Eagle has landed.
The Eagle HAS landed!!!

[Ill Try]

The following section of the NYS Agriculture and Markets Law makes it a felony to injure your family pet - ie. give it a good kick and break it's leg. Would you have everyone who ever did this be arrested and put into the system? (And yes, this was just the case in Riverhead last week) Sometimes the police officer on the scene needs to use discretion when determining if an arrest is warranted, warn and admonish may be best, or if the situation is a one time thing that could be best served by letting someone calm down. If your are not there, you can't know why some situations are handled the way they are.


§ 353-a. Aggravated cruelty to animals. 1. A person is guilty of
aggravated cruelty to animals when, with no justifiable purpose, he or
she intentionally kills or intentionally causes serious physical injury
to a companion animal with aggravated cruelty. For purposes of this
section, "aggravated cruelty" shall mean conduct which: (i) is intended
to cause extreme physical pain; or (ii) is done or carried out in an
especially depraved or sadistic manner.
2. Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to prohibit or
interfere in any way with anyone lawfully engaged in hunting, trapping,
or fishing, as provided in article eleven of the environmental
conservation law, the dispatch of rabid or diseased animals, as provided
in article twenty-one of the public health law, or the dispatch of
animals posing a threat to human safety or other animals, where such
action is otherwise legally authorized, or any properly conducted
scientific tests, experiments, or investigations involving the use of
living animals, performed or conducted in laboratories or institutions
approved for such purposes by the commissioner of health pursuant to
section three hundred fifty-three of this article.
3. Aggravated cruelty to animals is a felony. A defendant convicted of
this offense shall be sentenced pursuant to paragraph (b) of subdivision
one of section 55.10 of the penal law provided, however, that any term
of imprisonment imposed for violation of this section shall be a
definite sentence, which may not exceed two years.

[SCPD alumni]

HERE COME THE P.E.T.A. PEOPLE!

[Baba Rum Rasin]

And so my mission of truth continues. Just like Dormerman, it looks like County Resident has picked up his pail and shovel, and gone home to his sandbox.

One more corrupt, cowardly, malcontent dispatched with a precisely delivered intellectual wedgie by a morally superior being. Buh-bye C.R.

Feel free to stop back when you actually have an intelligent question to ask.

Now I'm going to see what Ms. Heatherton has packed in my lunchbox for today. Mmmm....Lil' Debbies and beef yougurt, yummy!



I'll be watching you, County Resident.

[county resident]

For those of you who are just joining this thread I would like to provide a little background.

A poster known as “two dollars a day” responded to this thread and stated he believed the police handled the UPN caper in a manner consistent with NYS law. While lauding Nassau police for doing such a fine professional job in this case, two dollars a day stated the police determined the UPN motorist was committing a crime when he was discovered unlawfully eavesdropping on a police radio frequency. two dollars a day went on to state he believed Nassau police did a fine job of using their powers of “discretion” when deciding not to arrest the UPN motorist.

After reading two dollars a day’s comments where he suggested Nassau police have the power to use “discretion” in determining who they want to arrest and who they do not want to arrest, I felt compelled to take issue with his absurd philosophy and warn other residents that his assertions about police discretion are false. Most of you following this thread know I have adamantly insisted that after developing probable cause that a misdemeanor or felony has been committed, Nassau police have absolutely no lawful authority to use discretion when determining whom they want to arrest.

Two posters, one of whom stated he is a police officer, challenged my assertions that police officers have no discretion. It was at this time that I asked either poster to identify one situation where after developing PC that a crime has been committed a Nassau County Police Officer has the lawful authority to NOT make an arrest.

Ok, that’s the background for what’s transpired in this thread up until now.

Before examining the responses to my question about the use of discretion, I would make a few observations about Officer Baba Rum Rasin, the “police officer” responding to my comments and opinions. If in fact he is a police officer, I am highly disturbed at the manner in which he decided to approach this police related topic. For those of you just joining this thread, I think it would be prudent to examine his prior comments and demeanor before giving credibility to anything he writes.

Again, I asked Officer Baba Rum Rasin to identify one crime where a police officer has the lawful authority to use discretion when determining if a person who is alleged to have committed a crime should be arrested. Here is his BEST response:

A woman comes into the Precinct and says that her husband forcibly raped her. She's clearly credible, but after being told by detectives that in order for them to have a successful prosecution on such a charge, she will have to go to the hospital and be examined by a doctor.

She says that she absolutely does not want to go through with that.

Officer Baba Rum Rasin, I am still wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes as I respond to your example for when the police can use discretion. Is that the best you can do??? Cite a case where an alleged rape victim refuses to cooperate? LOL

Officer Baba Rum Rasin, I have a sense of fair play so I am going to afford you one more opportunity to cite an example of when you believe you have the lawful authority to use discretion in deciding not to arrest a person after you have ascertained there is reasonable cause to believe that person committed a misdemeanor or felony.

Officer Baba Rum Rasin, in your capacity as a police officer, you apparently feel you have a duty to defend your fellow officers to the death, whether right or wrong. It’s not too difficult to figure out why you are defending the officers who muffed up the UPN caper. You’re a cop..they are cops..we all know how that goes.

What I am trying to figure out is how you expect readers to take your opinions seriously? The bottom line here is Nassau police had reasonable cause to believe a burglary suspect was committing a crime when he was caught using a police scanner. These same Nassau cops let the burglary suspect go after they determined he was committing a crime.

Officer Baba Rum Rasin, you might think this is good police work, but based on the facts two dollars a day provided about this case, I think Nassau police demonstrated a callous indifference toward public safety when they failed to take police action against the UPN motorist who committed a crime right in front of them.

[county resident]

In an effort to provide an example where police, after establishing that PC to make an arrest exists, have the authority to use discretion when deciding who they want to arrest, poster “I’ll try” wrote:

“The following section of the NYS Agriculture and Markets Law makes it a felony to injure your family pet - ie. give it a good kick and break it's leg. Would you have everyone who ever did this be arrested and put into the system?”

I think Special Investigator Ann Marie Lucas of the NYC ASPCA, who’s work regularly appears on Animal Planet, would do her job and arrest every single person who intentionally kicks his or her pet and causes a serious injury.

Would you care to offer your opinion about the conduct of the Nassau officers who allowed the UPN motorist to walk after they determined he was committing a crime?

[cousinbill]

Brian, do you want the police deciding who they want to arrest and who they don't want to arrest? I don't. To me, that practice opens the door to corruption. What's to stop a cop from taking a bribe in return for using his alleged discretion?

What you write makes a lot of sense. Picture a cop going to arrest some moron for making harrassing phone calls. As he is about to arrest the moron, the moron produces 5 crisp one hundred dollar bills and say's, "Officer, don't you have discretion in deciding if you want to arrest me or not?"

Back at the precinct the officer's supervisor asks him, "Officer Rasin, what happened to the moron you were suppose to arrest for aggravated harrassment?"

Officer Rasin pats his money belt and replies, "Well gee Sarge, even though there is plenty of evidence that shows the moron was committing a crime, I decided to use my discretion and not make an arrest."

The sergeant looks Officer Rasin in the eye and says, "good work Rasin, where's my cut?"

[All of the above]

I am not sure what to think about this issue. I really wish there was a reliable, stand up, stalworth man of honor and integrity available to help me with this confusing dilemma.

Paging Straight up Cop!

[Evermore]

Quote:Just in case anyone cares, Article 5 of the NYS Penal Law expressly states that Penal Law statutes do not have to be strictly construed.
Section 140.40 dealing with Unlawful Radio devices specifies that they are indeed illegal, IF THERE IS INTENT TO COMMIT A CRIME.

If this is the truth, then there is no doubt that Two-Dollars-A-Day deserves a serious ass whippin' for lying to us.

[county resident]

Quote:Section 140.40 dealing with Unlawful Radio devices specifies that they are indeed illegal, IF THERE IS INTENT TO COMMIT A CRIME.

Excellent work. You are 100% correct and deserve credit for exposing the lie two dollars a day tried to perpetrate upon the good readers of this message board. It was his flawed information and statements about police discretion that caused me to render the opinions I splattered all over this thread.

It looks as though I and two dollars a day owe an apology to the Nassau County officers who investigated the UPN caper. Please accept my sincerest apologies and keep up the good work.

Notwithstanding the above, I am still interested in seeing Officer Baba Rum Rasin cite an example of when he believes he has the lawful authority to use discretion in deciding not to arrest a person after he has ascertained there is reasonable cause to believe that person committed a misdemeanor or felony.

[Baba Rum Rasin]

County resident: I'll give you this much, you sure are pesky. Your curiosity amuses me. However, until you lose your sanctimonius, dramatic and phony sense of outrage:
(" I think Nassau police demonstrated a callous indifference toward public safety when they failed to take police action against the UPN motorist who committed a crime right in front of them") I'll not continue to waste my time addressing you. You're a slow learner. The perfect target for UPN 9's lame 'expose." It's not worth having my laptop ruin my perfect tan line in furtherance of your education.

cousinbill: What a silly scenario. A good example why you're not a cop. No sense of logic.

All this hand-wringing by so-called concerned citizens, who sit safely in their homes whining about a complete non-issue is amazing. A dirtbag set up a "test" designed to try to make cops look bad, and failed. Except in the eyes of the Jerry Springer crowd, of course, where television never lies.

Reality and the law have been explained ad-nauseum, and you just rather bitch and ignore the facts.

Discretion. You simple minded men fear the concept. That much is clear. Can't help you with that. That's why there is Zoloft.

Discretion - yes. Like it or not. It's an essential and useful tool when used by reasonable, and intellegent people. That's why you can't grasp the concept.

Discretion - it's all around you, and life goes happily on. If you knew how much it was used, you'd obviously have a nervous breakdown, while your friends joined me happily tanning under the dunes.

Discretion - Being used every day, and nobody really gets hurt. The insecure and paraniod may fear it, but mainstream society as a whole, wants it. Every weekend, all summer long, thousands of MISDEMEANOR CRIMES are decided to be overlooked by Police Departments in NYS, and Nationwide. Smoking a "joint" while enjoying a concert at Jones Beach is a CRIME in NYS. Hundreds do it at every concert. We've all seen it. I even saw it at a concert by my beloved Ravi Shankar!
Yet, it is generally allowed to continue, knowingly. A broader form of discretion? Yes, but still discretion as to where and when to enforce the law.

Would you rather have 100 cops in the Precinct with joint smokers every Saturday night, or available when your father has a heart attack? I worry what your answer would be.

A black and white, by the book world is a dangerous and ugly place. When reasonable men are given the power of discretion and use it wisely, it is a better, more fair, and efficient system. Be very careful what you complain about.

We all know the system is not perfect, but as long as there are honest, moral people with integrity doing the job, discretion is to your advantage. If you fail to grasp that concept, then you fail to see your own weakness.
That is why you were not entrusted with such a complex task, and that is why there is a process of elimination to rid Police Departments of cancerous, dishonest malcontents like Mr. Diop.

I AM>>>>>BABA RUM RASIN

[Baba Rum Rasin]

OK, County resident, you're starting to show some glimmer of brain activity. I posted my last response before I saw your mostly humble apology.

As I said from line 1, You were dead wrong. Baba was right, and continues to be so. So take your licks up front and get it over with.

Say this: Nassau County Cops are GOOD. They protect me and my family.

Say the same thing about Suffolk Cops.

Then go to bed and think about what you've done stirring up shiite here for no good reason. I have a slightly irregular tan line on my left thigh and I'm not too happy about that.

But I don't blame only you!

I am done. Good night.

[TBAW]

Please, EVERYONE, go to the website and listen to the tapes, all of them, CAREFULLY, and pay attention. The subject recorders the sound of the signal flasher BEFORE he is in the presence of the PO's. Then he leaves the curb, tells him cohorts to 'hurry up' as the PO's approach. They (his cohorts)apparently are not in sight of him. THEN he says "I'm going to turn right", the vehicle slows, then accelerates, WITHOUT THE SAME SOUND, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE PO's... I think the subject is confused about where it is he is being accused of failing to signal.... and the stuff he pulls at the precinct ("are you going to run a warrant check on me"? is ridiculous. The truth is there, if you are willing to listen....

[TBAW]

the first tape.. the famous 20 second signal.... sure it was on for 20 seconds BEFORE the PO's were in sight of him... LISTEN, it's turned off before the vehicle moves, not by the automatic canceling feature ... I wonder if he failed to signal BOTH TURNS!

[two dollars a day]

I was having comp problems but it should be all fixed now. baba thank you for filling in for me. foremost i would like to respond to those accusing me of lying. namely evermore and county resident, obviously you are not thorough readers and once again have displayed your lack of legal knowledge. in my post i clearly quoted the nys vtl section 397 the voice of reason was quoting nys pl section 140.40 two different laws which read differently. perhaps you should try having all the info before accusing someone of something. that's why cops detain people and preform investigations. you two accusing me of lying without having all the information (even though it was right there in front of you in black and white) makes you both no better than what you are accusing the cops of being. "he who is without sin should cast the first stone" from what i've seen here it shouldn't be you casting the first stone. however i am grateful to you for proving a good point i did not lie but a minute ago you were believing that i did. it's smoke and mirrors and taking advantage of people's sense of trust. that's what don jackson does; he uses smoke and mirrors editing and takes advantage of people's trust so that you believe his story. as i said in the past jack and the bean stalk is a pretty good story too. i think i'm going to trade my cow for some magic beans tomorrow. i posted a quote of law and obviously by your recent posts you believed it must be true only because i said it and said it was true. it was and is true but later on all of a sudden you think you have new info because someone else says something slightly different so therefore i must be lying. however apparently you never took the time to check the facts for yourself. that's what people like don jackson count on they count on you believing them because they are on the news. they count on you thinking they showed you everything from start to Finnish in order when they really cut stuff out and change the order. they count on you not checking the facts for yourself. that's how don makes expose news; with smoke and mirrors just like how david copperfield made the statue of liberty disappear. it's quite amazing how the opinion on this thread turned from the attitude of how the nassau cops are such animals for stopping this man and then detaining him and hand cuffing him to the attitude now; of how they should not only have stopped him detained him and cuffed him but they should have thrown away the key too. if the news was doing a story on how a cop saved someone's life i'm sure you'd find something wrong with that too. Now i would like to take a minute to point out the enormity of the law. because i am sure there are some reasonable minded people out there who do not have this info and will take a minute to try to understand what i am saying. i'me sure we've all seen a lawyer sitting in front of his desk with the shelves of books sitting behind him taking up the entire wall. well that's some of the law. that's right not all SOME of the law. the law of this land is very voluminous and no one knows all of it. that's why it's written down in books. there is no lawyer, judge, lawmaker, or law enforcement official who knows all of it. for example did you know that in new york city it is illegal for women to wear body hugging type clothing. or that it is a misdemeanor to place any material which may be injurious to animals in a place where it may cause injury to an animal. or that it is a misdemeanor to shine a light on a deer. or even illegal to curse in public. yup these are all laws no one knows all the law. that's why judges have these large libraries in their offices. you aren't going to fit that library in a police car. however cops are responsible to know it. you can fit smaller abridged versions in a car but what it ultimately comes down to is time constraints. cops don't have all day to sort through law books when they have someone stopped. sometimes some people don't realize that something is illegal and therefore don't take the time to look it up in the volumes of law. after all scanners are sold in stores and come equipped to install them in your car. there are two possibilities that i can think of. either the cops didn't realize there was a law against having a scanner in a car because they see them being sold legally every time they go into radio shack. or maybe the cops realized that this person may not have realized that they were breaking the law because they bought the scanner in radio shack and it came with all of these nifty accessory's for installing it in your car. i guess you are saying that every time someone innocently commits a victim less crime because it was a somewhat obscure law and they honestly didn't didn't know their actions were illegal, they should be arrested. that might be good for you but that's not the world i want to live in. if i did i would move to cuba. one of those two reasons could be why the cops didn't arrest the gentleman or maybe it's something else i didn't think of. i wasn't there and unless you were the cop there you have no idea either. that's all i have to say for now. i'm sure i missed some stuff that's been going on and i apologize for that but i'm not about to sit here tonight and respond to every single post which i missed in the last week. besides many of the questions that i saw posted were answered in my first two posts. baba i am a loyal raisinette and humbly thank you for your assistance. the eagle has landed!

[TBAW]

Don't beat yourself up about this... Hopefully everyone is listening to those tapes and discovering more flaws in the argument than I did... I look forward to that TVB date, if someone would kindly notify me... AND I don't believe Buba has ever disowned a faithful raisinette (although I don't belong in the box)... D">
Let's not get into a 'discretion' discussion, that's another string...

[two dollars a day]

thank you for that kind response. I thoroughly believe that police discretion is a topic for another thread. as far as i am concerned this thread is about the nonsense that don pulled on his jihad to make cops look bad. he tried, and as far as most average citizens with a low knowledge of law are concerned, he succeeded to make the ncpd look bad when they really did a good job and did nothing wrong. I do not fault those with a low knowledge of law for not knowing any better; because they don't. i applaud those who ask questions and seek knowledge, and accept it with an open mind. i do however fault those like don who will not look at an issue with an open mind and still find people wrong no matter what facts or information they are given. those who will change their opinion but only if it still finds fault with those who their animosity is guided toward. it is easy for anyone to monday morning quarterback any situation but it takes a truly valiant person to be in the game and make those decisions for themselves on the spur of the moment. i was sitting today thinking; and baba rum raisin probably used some of his mental telepathy, because he was too busy with ms joey heatherton, to guide me to this answer. nys vtl section 397 which is the one i quoted is a vtl misdemeanor. now those "in the know" know that most if not all misdemeanors ESPECIALLY vtl misdemeanors are not must arrest situations. I'm not talking discretion here. i'm talking processed at the prescient vs being issued a field appearance ticket. That's right there are many misdemeanor offenses committed everyday. shoplifting, aggravated unlicensed operation, and driving with a suspended registration. to name a few. for the most part in nassau and suffolk counties these people are not processed at the prescient they are issued appearance tickets where as they must appear in criminal court. nys vtl section 397 falls under this category; where as you can process at the pct or issue a summons. i personally feel that, in the effect of community safety ( which is the angle most people who were saying he should be arrested were taking) the officer should issue the summons instead of processing at the prescient. it saves a great amount of time and keeps that car on the street much more; so that when my loved one is having a heart attack that car is there to respond and give life-saving medical care or perhaps if my house is being broken into they are nearby to save me. now i wasn't there so i don't know if they issued a summons for nys vtl section 397 but they may have. unless you were there you more than likely don't know either. either way it's a misdemeanor and affords those officers all the rights of search and seizure that any other misdemeanor does; weather they process him at the pct or issue him a summons. if they cuff him till the summons is completed nys cpl says that's ok too. that's all i have to say about that ... for now

[technique]

Quote - "it's quite amazing how the opinion on this thread turned from the attitude of how the nassau cops are such animals for stopping this man and then detaining him and hand cuffing him to the attitude now; of how they should not only have stopped him detained him and cuffed him but they should have thrown away the key too."

Don't police interrogators and trolls use a similar technique?

[TBAW]

Hello McFly, I don't know why one of the more verbose people on this thread have not given it to you yet.... BUT, here it comes...
Often, in life (even outside police work) situations occur and are analyzed in real time. Once the examiners have the luxury of time, and review the events with a more critical (and time consuming) eye, they discover that the initial evaluation was flawed or could have been improved upon. (Have you ever thought of a great comeback after the wise-guy left?)
I don't know what the trolls do, but examiners BY DEFINITION, have the luxury of time, street cops don't, end of hopefully brief lesson.

[two dollars a day]

technique, i have absolutely no idea what you are saying or trying to say. could you please translate for us. i'me sure i'm not the only one here who cannot decipher your cryptic message.

[haha]

I see the DISCRETION thread that provided a testament to your collective stupidity has been deleted. I'll bet you are both sleeping well again.

[another scpd]

drop it already, the only people who want discretion is the ones who have none, the public. when you call us you want everyone locked up because you know the law, and you pay our salaries ( once had a ttp tell me that and lived in a illegal apt.) however when we catch you or yours doing something thats when you start begging and whining for a break. like the guy i got 511.2 w/ 2 warrants i canned the 2 joints he had, only wrote him 3 of 9 "simplified informations". he was crying like a baby, then when we got into the pct, he was singing to ccu like a bird.both those guys you "verbally assaulted" are probably good active cops, have their priorities in order, back your neighbors,handle your calls, stay in service, leave john q alone as much as possible,and screw the rest. the problem is when we gets the pencil pushers telling us how to do our job you dont have a clue what is going on out there, everyone is in denial, suffolk? no crime out there, meanwhile everyone has an o/p against everyone, everyone has at least 1 family member that is an edp, and of course everyone needs us to discipline their children because they are nitwits. give it up.

[ThreeTen]

Tbaw and Two Dollars a Day were right on the money about discretion but Resident wouldn't listen. Resident has no clue as to what he is talking about.

[Cop]

what hes trying to say is it is easy to monday morning q-back, walk in his shoes and see if, in that same situation, you dont wet your pants and dump 16 rounds into his arse.remember a good day for a cop is any day he comes home. and thats to much for you so you sit ehind your desk dreaming of when you played baseball in hi-school. or whatever and criticize us because we have a great career, not a job, and actually look forward to going to work

[Jack D]

Being an avid lush, I liked the post where tbaw wrote cops can use discretion when deciding if they want to arrest me for driving my formerly mint 83’ Continental after a nite of bar hopping.

If it wasn’t for Nassau cops using discretion, I would probably be posting this from a prison cell.

NASSAU COPS ARE THE BESTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. can anybody recommend a reputable auto body repair shop. I have a few dings and dents that just seem to appear out of nowhere.

[dwirecidivist]

If nassau cops change their current policy of using discretion when they stop me after a night of puzzy hunting, drinking and drugging, I'm telling my counter help to cut their freebie dinners off.

It's dog eat dog world and I'm all about tit for tat.

[county resident]

Quote: ThreeTen:

Tbaw and Two Dollars a Day were right on the money about discretion but Resident wouldn't listen.

Right on the money????? Are you sure?

I didn’t see either one of them mention that while there are no statutory laws requiring a police officer make an arrest, cops most certainly can be subjected to civil penalties or administrative charges if they fail to make an arrest.

I didn’t see tbaw mention that an officer who fails to do the job we pay him to do, could find himself being ordered by a court to pay a portion of his paycheck to a citizen who successfully sues him for not doing his job.

I didn’t notice either of the 2 tadpoles known as tbaw and two dollars a day mention a police officer who uses “discretion” can be brought up on administrative charges and fined or fired from the PD if he does not make an arrest.

And other than sharing your ignorance about how criminal stats are collected by the FBI, I didn’t notice you offer anything of any worth to the discussion.

Oh yeah, I did notice that you stood behind these two morons and supported their joint efforts to give cops discretion to let drunk drivers go. Good work!

What was that you were saying about “right on the money?”

[county resident]

Quote: P.S. can anybody recommend a reputable auto body repair shop. I have a few dings and dents that just seem to appear out of nowhere.

Jack, try asking the cop who for whatever reason lets you go the next time he catches you drinking and driving. Maybe the next cop who lets you go will even hook you up with a discount so you will have more money to get drunk with.

[county resident]

Quote:A Suffolk PD officer wrote:

like the guy i got 511.2 w/ 2 warrants i canned the 2 joints he had, only wrote him 3 of 9 "simplified informations".

511.2, isn’t that known as Aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle in the second degree.?

Thank you for admitting you destroyed evidence (drugs) that you recovered from a driver who failed to pay his tickets, and had other outstanding warrants for his arrest. Sounds like you gave a break to an worthy, upstanding, responsible member of the community you swore to protect.

You must be a proud Suffolk County officer in that you have the discretion to commit a felony by destroying evidence and insuring a pot smoking driver is allowed to go free.

Your overt public admissions go a long way toward bolstering a negative image of Suffolk’s Finest.

I’m sure your police commissioner, your family and friends, and your fellow parishioners must be very proud of you when you inform them you are willing to commit a felony (destroy evidence) for no apparent reason other than to give-a-break to a jerk who you discovered possessed illegal drugs while operating a motor vehicle with a suspended drivers license and had other outstanding warrants calling for his arrest.

Yup, I’m sure they are real proud of you.

[6th Driver]

County Resident, you seem pretty hung up on this, so let me simplify this. If we arrested everyone we ran into who had broken any law, there would soon be no police on the road. We do HAVE to use our discretion at times. There have been the busy Fri/Sat night that I have given someone a ride home rather than lock them up for drinking and driving. Only because I knew that if I
did lock them up, I would be leaving not only my sector open, but other surrounding sectors without coverage. I have had kids throw their pot in a drain. Only because should I go out of service to invoice this for 2-3 hours leaving my sector uncovered? Should I Lock up the good taxpayer for 511.2 when it is obvious he/she had a rough time and had to make a choice of paying bills or paying a couple of tickets. You seem to think that we should never use our discretion and lock everyone up all of the time. just remember, in all of the pcts, there is only one car per sector, and in almost all sectors, only one cop per car. Cant speak on other pcts, but in the 6th pct our sectors are huge. They