Park Ranger

[suffolkresident]

Can any one tell me the job description on this job.I was at the beach today with my dog and was told to leave, which is fine I never saw the sign.The officer was nice about everything,but as I was leaving he was writing tickets to some kids on the beach and I was curious if they have police powers?

[niceguy]

please be more specific. what town/beach/date/time?

[WalkinMyDoggie]

You must have gotten one of the better ones. Go to Gardiners Park, Montauk Hwy., West Bay Shore. Its dog freindly, lots of trails most of which lead to the beach....just watch out for the WARDEN. My old doggie was right beside me when luckily some woman called out to me "Here comes the Parks guy" Sure enough he walks right over to me and asks me if my dog is leashed....Im too fast for ya little doggie Some of them are power mongers....or they're prejudiced. He told the other woman "Nice dog" and all he said to me was the ticket would be $50.

Guy was a total ass. I hope he doesn't carry a gun too.

[suffolkres]

Long Beach in Smithtown.

[yankee fan]

Town park rangers are Peace Officers. This means they have limited powers on town property. They can enforce the town code and certain NYS laws pursuant to their lawful duties as Park Rangers. These laws are very specific as to what can and can't be enforced by the Rangers. Rangers CANNOT make vehicle and traffic law stops off of town property even if the town has incorporated the NYS vehicle and traffic law into the town code-This is illegal anyway. They will claim otherwise.

[mR gUMP]

If you were stopped in Gardiners Park.. then you were stopped by a COP not a ranger. SUffolk County Park Police are full police officers who enforce all NYS laws in Suffolk County..inside the park and on the road. If your dog is off his leash...then U ARE WRONG, plain and simple. U are in violation of a county park rule in a county park. If your dog gets away from you and bites some other person or someone elses dog..u just opened yourself up to some pretty serious legal problems!! Especially in this day and age!! These rules are designed with all patrons in mind, and are for the safety of u and everyone else around u. Famous last words " my dog wouldnt hurt anyone". Dogs are animals..and ultimately unpredictable when approched by unfamiliar dogs and humans.

[OneUnderK]

You better go read the cpl again, Park Rangers most certainly can make V&T stops, and they don't write it under town code.
Section 2.10/9
Park Rangers in Suffolk County, who shall be authorized to issue appearence tickets, simplified traffic informations, simplified parks informations and simplified enviromental canservation informations.

Park Rangers can and do make stops, and it is perfectly legal and hold up in TVB. The Rangers respective department not allow it in their R&P's, but it will hold up in court.

[Yankke Fan]

Go back and read the CPL a little further, it also states pusuant to their lawful duties as PARK RANGERS. This means they must be on town property. Peace officer status is limited and park rangers are NOT Police officers. The Suffolk County Park Police are police officers. . If you need further instruction contact the Suffolk County DA's Office of Public Integrity. Because someone is a police officer in another jurisdiction, such as NYC, it does not mean their polce officer status carries over if they are working as a town park ranger.

[mR gUMP]

This comment is for the fool that posted with the name Gardiners Park walker. First of all... learn to spell...I cant even read your babble!! Second of all...im not a Park Cop. If someone leaves their trash laying around.. im sure the Park Police will issue them a summons the same as someone who lets their dog run free. Its not being over zealous..its doing the job they are supposed to do. Lastly...Robert Moses isnt a county park..that is run by the state..so take your stupid parking complaints to them. If you are going post comments..be well informed so you dont look like a retard. REMEMBER...better for a fool to keep quiet and make people guess..then to open their mouth..and remove all doubt. The ability to speak doesnt make you intelligent!!

[GardinersParkWalker]

Chill out Gum....who knew??? I guess we're all intelligent in different areas. Spelling? I own all the spelling bee's in school Gummy. Big deal I dont have my parks knowledge together. Summons me for that too.

Reread what I wrote Gummy. I wrote the overzealous Parks Punk came directly over to ME. My dog was not running, she was right beside me. I was half sitting in the sand and she was at my hip, as usual. There was no way he couldv'e known whether she was leashed or not from the direction he was coming from.

By the way, I dont care who you are. Go back to Brooklyn, thats where your heart is right?

[OneUnderK]

Pursuant to special dutiesd, that entails traveling rom one park to the other. These tickets hold up and are lawful, I suggest that you know what you are talking about before opening your mouth. How have you become such an expert? Because if you were OTJ with any department you would knwo that these officers can make stops off town property. Speaking as someone who did the job before moving on to another dept, I can tell you the tickets hold up. I have first hand knowledge of the job, and while certain depts may look down upon doing stops outside of parks, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL. Call the Suffolk Sherrif's Academy since they train these guys and ask them, then come back here and tell me what you think. Don't just post oppinions as fact when you have NO clue what you are talking about

[GardinersParkWalker]

Opinions.

[yankee fan]

I actually do know what I'm talking about from first hand knoweldge. Travelling to and from a park is does NOT give you the authority to make vehicle and traffic law stops. Because you made the summonses returnable to the town "hearing officer" and he agreed to knock the summons down to a "non-moving violation" with no points for the motorist, they usually just paid the fine and moved on. Or when made returnable to village justice court people often did the same. I have seen a park ranger challenged in TVB by an attorney and the ranger lost because the attorney challenged his authority to make the stop. So, from speaking with him afterward I learned about their authority. I know, I've read the law, spoke to a lawyer about it, and even spoke to the DA's office of Public Integrity. So before you spout your little mouth off learn from those who know. As for anyone else, if you get pulled over by a Town park ranger, make a complaint to the DA's Office of Public Integrity.

[OneUnderK]

Thank you for you infinite wisdom you jerk off, talk to who you want the tickets hold up as do numerous DWI arrests. But you know it all because you spoke with a few shyster lawyers. You continue with your thoughts thats your right. I on the other hand have written, been challenged and won, now moved on. I will continue to support these men and women who are Park Rangers out here, since skell morons such as yourself seem to believe that they can't enforce the laws of this state unless they are in a Park. I hope you do get pulled over by one and end up being a collar for 511. or 1192.3. Have a nice day D!CK

[yankee fan]

Oneunderk you are definitly a loser on a power trip. You must have been smacked around in high school. Have fun on the city job d!ckless wonder . I won't get locked up for DWI or agg unlicensed either but if I do get pulled over by a buff wanna be I'll definitly know how to handle it. I guess since you needed to make personal attacks you had nothing relevant to say anymore so go p!ss up a rope.

[mets fan]

Sounds to me like yankees fan is a P.O. who has a bit of a territorial problem, and who should take the laws/powers of arrest class in his/her academy over. Save your reply, I am sure it will suck-just like your team.

[yankee fan]

Don't need the class again. It's black letter law. Trying to stretch it into something that its not violates the public trust and confidence. If the rangers are what they say they are, what oneunderk claims them to be, why did the Feds force Islip Town to put the SCPD in the terminal at Islip Airport and not just put the town rangers there? The town uses the rangers for to write parking summonses in the lot but not terminal security? I guess the feds know the real deal.
You sound very whiny metfan just like Piazza. Mets will be playing golf in October when the Yanks will be playing for another championship.

[yankee fan]

By the way, what academy did you attend? Please educate us on the laws of arrest in NYS. Sounds to me like you wouldn't know a crime if it crawled up your leg and bit you in the ass.

[OneUnderK]

The Islip Airport Security Guards are completely different from Islip's Park Rangers. I believe the Park rangers only do perimeter Patrols of the airport, but I could be wrong on that. They were never in the terminals as far as I know. That was always the "Airport Police", they are both employed by the Town, but the airport police have their Peace Officer Status limited to airport property. And you must have a security guard license to get the job, unlike Park Rangers.

[xfaned]

I heard that the port authority police might be taken over islip airport this true

[NY JAG]

yes and county pd
theres a immediate need for a entire qualified police force to replace the current one. all current employees will be placed in there rightful duty locations which include baggage caddy's, ticket rippers, custodians, and stewardess. fits there HS education just right

[Suffolk Guy]

Shut your pie hole boy. You're posting about things you know nothing about. As a matter of fact most Suffolk Police officers have at least an associates degree and 1/3 have a four year. Have your mommy make your PB&J and off to school with you. Don't forget to make her wipe your ass for you.

[NY JAG]

now this guy HAS to be a cop, total arrogant scrawny little nerdy sh it bag with no life and respect for anyone. the way he talks down to people to make him self sound so important is classic. then he takes orders from his slut whore skank wife who whips his little ass in to line when he reports back to his crack house at the end of the night, by the way your wife makes some great peanut butter jelly sandwich's, shes like the boys to shoot the cream right in the middle, then she rubs it all over, then gets really sad cause your small dick sorry ass is coming back home, then she laughs when she sees it, no wonder why she has had several affairs.
a boy a 4 year degree is SOOOOOOO impressive, look what mental midget they hired 4 year degree in what SPACE, pottery, doughnut eating, being a drunk, drug dealing, being a pervert. im sure you fall into one of those degree titles


I heard your momma is the precient gangbang queen.
Suffolk pd rules, its just the jerkoffs like you that ruin it for the good guys who actually work.
go back to work so your wife can open up the holland tunnel l

[lawguy]

I find it interesting that yankee fan had to call Park Rangers "buff wanna bees". First, I don't believe any actual Park Rangers posted reply's to you belittling you, calling you names, or disagreeing with you yet you needed to knock people who are earning a living performing a job, trying to take care of their families just like everyone else. Why? I am a Park Ranger and have heard every interpretation of the law possible. What has finally been agreed upon is that Rangers cannot enforce traffic violations out on the street as a detail, meaning they shouldn't be sitting on stop signs, shooting radar, etc. But, in the course of their normal patrol, if they observe a violation of the VTL, they can take action. What I mean is while traveling from park to park, I see a guy blow past a stopped school bus, lights flashing, offloading kids, I can stop him. These summons' are returned to NYS Traffic Violations Bureau, not the Town or Village. The judges do uphold our summonses. Equally, while traveling down the road I observe a vehicle swerving from curb to curb, all over the road, we can make a stop and arrest for DWI. All arrests are processed in the Suffolk County Police Precincts and signed off by Suffolk Sergeants, and prisoners are transported to the Sheriffs holding facility at District Court. These cases are adjudicated in NYS Courts and routinely upheld. So, it seems to me that either the Suffolk Police, Suffolk Sheriffs, District Court Judges, ADA's, and a lot of other people are wrong, or there is a different interpretation of the law than how you are reading it. Again my friend, I think we can all agree or disagree without name calling, or bashing the working guy trying to provide for their families.

As for why the Islip Park Rangers are not inside the airport terminals, one reason may be the fact that Park Rangers fall under Civil Service and as you have pointed out, have a certain job description. Protecting Airport terminals does not fall within their job spec. Airport Security has it's own Civil Service title. Also, please keep in mind that the "Airport Police" are not Police, but Security Guards. They do a great job, but I am curious why the FAA allows this level of security at this airport but insist on Police at all other airports.

[The reason why.......]

Very well put. Nice to see an intelligent post here.

[Suffolk Guy]

Guys,
I have read the posts and I have to say yours makes the least sense to me lawguy. Well written , but you seem to have tortured logic. You can't make V&T's but do anyway? I know that Fire Marshalls are peace officers, does that give them the ability to make V&T's while they are going from building to building on their inspection rounds? Your argument doesn't really make sense to me. It seems a little self serving. Either you are authorized to make stops or you are not, there is no maybes or in between. I don't think the people who would fight a traffic ticket or a DWI arrest have argued the point before a judge, and if I'm wrong what cases and when? Did rangers participate in asset seizure? I would like to ask someone who definitly knows. Any lawyers out there with an opinion? Anyone ever fight this and win/lose?

[Nooneofconcern]

I know for a fact that an Islip ranger made a DWI arrest on the Southern State Parkway some years back that was contested. The defendant was found guilty on trial and then the NYS Court of Appeals upheld the decision. I dont know the exact dates or case, but I remember that the judges stated that while a park ranger was travelling from one park to another, he had an OBLIGATION to stop a crime in progress (DWI), and therefore they considered it part of his "special duties". I dont know if that would extend to vtl violations, I guess we will have to wait and see !

[1ofconcern]

Speaking of DWI's can one be strip searched after being arrested for a DWI?

[OneUnderK]

It is in the CPL that Park Rangers can issue VTL summonses, there is no provision like that under the section for Fire Marshals.

[Suffolk Guy]

As I read the CPL and the VTL they both require a peace officer to be in the performing his/her "lawful duties." It seems to me to be a far stretch to just be travelling from one park to another and it being called a lawful duty. What then is the differnce, besides the civil service tiltle and employer, of a police officer and a peace officer? According to the posts by the town guys here, there are only minor differences. I would definitly like to hear the case law if there are some attorneys who log on! I have been at the facility, when it was open, and the seargent in charge asked a TOS guy if his arrest was on town property and when he got a negative reply he was turned away. Don't know where he went.

[njame]

I heard port authority might be taking contol of the airport any info on this

[Sounds like BS]

Public entity into their fish bowl. I would sincerely doubt it for numerous reasons including union and Suffolk county civil service reasons.

[Nooneofconcern]

Facility ? CDP has been closed for a long time. The difference between a a peace and police officer ? A peace officer(most of them) cannot arrest on a warrant. They must be acting pursuant to their special duties. Off-duty, a peace officer has much less authority than a PO. Yes, Park Rangers can issue VTL summonses. Can they issue them out of the parks ? I know they do......I think the major difference here is that DWI is a crime.....

[Suffolk Guy]

DWI requires an underlying violation of the VTL to make a stop. That is one of the sticking points. Everyone knows town rangers make VTL stops off of town property but is it legal for them to do so? The VTL requires a peace officer to be performing his lawful duties as does the CPL. There is a reason why the towns do not allow their personnel to make VTL stops as stated in earlier posts. I believe it is a really questionable act and they don't want the liability. Again, does anyone know of specific case law about the issue?

[Suffolk Guy]

Just to let everyone know, Jag Off is a FIRED Long Beach City fire lieutenant. That's why he's so jealous of MEN with real jobs. He is posting all over the fire thread as Ltjag and bashing the vollies. As someone who works closely with the vollies (FD and EMS) I can say great job guys and girls and thanks for the job you do.

[just wondering]

And what are you? SCPD, I doubt it . Why are you so concerned with what Park Rangers can or can't do. If you were SCPD you would understand the law and what persuant to special duties means, so who do you work for?

[Justathought]

Most of the info here reference Park Rangers is right on the money (CPL references). As for the "special duties" that's a term much like "reasonable" that the good folks up in Albany toss in the law to cover square pegs that sometimes find themselves being pushed against round holes. It allows for a broad interpretation of situations and duties as not to limit the ability of law enforcement to take action in situations that fall outside the normally defined terms of the law. Otherwise we'd be seeing the law in need of change weekly.

As for Suffolk Guy being concerned with the actions and rights or overlapping agencies... it's part of the job for any law enforcement officer. They're the one's that get called down when a local agency officer bites off more than they can handle... or are dealing with something they normally don't do... knowing who can do what... and what the law (CPL) says is very important. For the most part Park Rangers do a GREAT job.

[justwondering]

I agree with you, however suffolk guy doesn't sound like he's concerned about what other agencies can do in a situation as you describe he sounds more like someone bashing another agency. My point is no LEO should do that to another and I doubt a SCPD guy would. So I wonder who he works for and if he even is in law enforcement

[Suffolk Guy]

I am asking relelvant questions as to what people can and can't do. It is important to know when dealing with people what the laws are. When I arrive on the scene of some town guy calling for an assist, I have to know for certain what is going on. Just because I'm there I am now part of the situation and now am liable. Because I ask questions does not mean I'm "bashing" anyone. They are just questions. I'm justwondering why are you afraid of them?

[Nooneofconcern]

Well, I guess no one can answer any of these questions...I assume it will take someone appealing a TVB decision to get some case law...But how many people are going to spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer just to beat a traffic ticket on principle ?? SuffolkGuy, I know that that case with the Islip guy is true, I will try to get the details on it. The court upheld the ruling on the DWI and the traffic stop that started it, I believe it was for failing to maintain lane.

[Suffolk Guy]

Thanks for looking nooneofconcern. I also wanted to ask justwondering what his experience is? Where do you work? How long do you have on the job if you are on the job? What is your educational background? Why wouldn't you ask questions about things that could get you in sticky situations? Are you the same person as oneunderk and metfan? You all seem to have the same writing style and underlying tone. Justwondering.

[just wondering]

To begin with I never post under any other names.

Looking back I see your nasty comments were aimed at Jag not who i originally thought. However you say you ask because you're worried about liability. I have been in law enforcement for about 20 years and can't imagine any of my collegues going on a message board for info on the law. I'm sure if you're on the job you can find out what your liability is by asking a supervisor. There is just so much bashing from agency to agency here that I thought you were belittleing the job of a Park Ranger. If not I apologize. Traveling from park to park may seem like a stretch to you but it is persuant to their special duties. There are police in suffolk who's job duties have nothing to do with traffic stops or even making arrests but they can certainly do them traveling to and from work.

[Suffolk Guy]

You have mixed things up a little. If a homicide detective makes a V&T and comes up with a DWI, that's all well and good as long as he is in his GAOE. He's a police officer. My question was about peace officers and their ability to affect V&T stops off of town property and whether it was considered pusuant to their lawful duties. None of my supervisors are certain either. Again it is not to bash it is just a question. I don't have quite the time you do(9yrs) but I also have worked for two NYC depts (Transit-now merged w/NYPD since I left, and the NYPD). I currently work for a village on the north shore. I don't think this will be resolved by posting on the web but I have looked at the Buffalo Law Center site and will let you know if I see anything. Until then, adios!

[just wondering]

I think the reason you are having difficulty with this topic is because while most peace officers can't write traffic violations there are some exceptions. Unfortunately each agency probably has different guidelines as to what they can do and what tickets they use. Throw in code enforcement who are not peace officers and they write tickets under town ordinances to further complicate this issue.Good luck.

[Look at it this way]

MTA (Railroad) PD has a GAOE within (please don't quote me) of up to 100 yards from any rail line and on any road in between the stations. SC Parks police have GAOE in any County Parks and any roads leading to or from County Parks. The previous two items are for cops. Let's look at SUNY Public Safety (Peace Officers) at one time they wrote only SUNY summonses now I am sure they write VTL violations returnable to either TVB or whatever court of record their jurisdiction falls within. I understand from a reliable source that includes CR 97 (Nichols Rd) which runs through the heart of SUNY Stony Brook. 2nd scenario MTA Bridge&Tunnel Officers (Peace Officers) I know they wrote me a VTL violation for fail to maintain a lane and conducted the stop well off of their property and was outside of the 100 yard line of the Bridges & Tunnels. I would suspect that since this ticket stuck they used the pursuant to their special duties while on a road between any two bridges and tunnels. I would imagine that pursuant to their special duties would be at the discretion of the head of the Park Rangers for whatever political subdivision they happen to be working for. If you have a bunch of money and want to test this theory feel free to act like an azzhole in front of one of them and appeal your conviction to the NYS Court of Appeals. BTW it will cost you a couple of grand in lawyers fees and binding/printing fees to take it to the Ct. of Appeals plus a favorable writ of certiori. Let us know how you make out.

[Suffolk Guy]

Not that I want to beat a dead horse, it is not where you make the stop, it is where you observe the violation.

[Suffolk Guy]

...and Suny made their personnel police officers and Suffolk County Park Police are police officers in Suffolk and their GAOE is Suffolk County.

[blue4life]

Mta pd gaoe is statewide in ny state in ct its 100 trds from rail property. They make collars going between jobs well away from rr property speed past one on the lie if he wants hell grab u

[mR gUMP]

if anyone has any confusion about peace officer arrest powers...just look it up in the CPL. Its been a while..but look up around sec. 120 NYSCPL. I think i would rather do that than get my info off of the internet. seems like their could be the potential for some BIG liability if a peace officer got his info from a message board!! How are the rooks doin? The guys by me are really green, but they have the right idea, and their heart is in the right place!! Safe tour...

[lawguy]

I am not sure I can make this much clearer but here goes. I stated we can not make V&T Stops as a detail, meaning you would not find me sitting at a stop sign, or at a road block checking seat belts out on Jericho Tpk, BUT if while going from one place to another in the course of my regular patrol I observe a violation of the VTL I can stop that vehicle and issue a summons. I NEVER stated that I can't enforce the VTL, there was no tortured logic, and I tried to make it as simple to understand as possible. Sitting on a highway check point looking for cell phone use - NO GOOD, driving from one park to another or while in a park I see someone driving on the cell phone - GOOD. Any clearer?

PS Nobody ever stated that the Towns "do not allow us to make V&T Stops". We do and they pay us to go to court and have them upheld.

[Nooneofconcern]

To SuffolkGuy.....You say you work for a village on the north shore....Just curious as to what park rangers you would be running across. Only Islip (South Shore) and Smithtown have park rangers. So you must work for Head of the Harbor or Nissequogue ? Otherwise how would you get involved if one of the Town guys called for an assist ? I think everyone is glazing over the main point here....who cares ?? I dont think the Towns restrict their ranger from enforcing VTL out of the parks, but if one officer started to make a habit out of it they would put a stop to it, not to mention Suffolk PBA, whose toes the officer would be stepping on. Why dont the cops stick to the streets and the rangers stick to the parks ??

[TownDPS]

Plain and simple. There is never a territorial issue between the towns and SCPD. As the other said, I don't sit at a stop sign hiding in the bushes or run radar on the LIE. BUT, don't think for a second that if you pass my Public Safety car and purposely go through the red light or roll through the stop sign because you think im not a real cop just to break my balls I wil teach you a lesson otherwise with a REAL summons. (It happens all the time believe it or not). We are union just like the SCPD and out of respect we don't go out looking to take their DWI's, sit at stop signs and take away from their job. But, there are times when in our travels we observe something that can't be ignored. I will be honest, if I see you on your cell phone I will probably turn my head, I really don't care. If you don't count to 3 at the stop sign or blow through a little too fast and don't see me, I understand. But if you do it on purpose to test my authority then you kind of deserve the ticket. Same thing regarding speed. If the speed limit is 30 and youre doing 45-50 I probably wont even notice. If there's a stopped school bus and you do 80, then yeah- I kind of have to have a chat with you. Same thing if you just left the bar and youre driving on the wrong side of the road hitting the curb, blatantly DWI etc. Then im going to lock you up. But I bet you will be suprised to find that even the SCPD guys have the same standards as far as discretion. Cops are human too.

[culloden1745]

totally off topic but i did a dwi on a woman in her house w/ supporting dep from a witness who followed her back to her house, and a verbal admission that she had imbibed. my sgt, and lt had no problem w/ it. she didnt even attempt to fight it in court her lawyer just pled out

[OneUnderK]

Culloden are you speaking as a Park Ranger?

[missing the point]

I think that everyone here seem to be missing a point. Aren't we all in the same business? I know that if a DWI was driving down the street and my family was out there in a car I wouldn't care if it was SCPD, Park Rangers Code Enforcement, Park Police or a Campus Cop that stopped them--as long as someone did and took them off the road for everyones safety. We are all in this together for the same reason and should be helping each other out no matter what the agency or where we are. Just my .02

[culloden1745]

no im scpd, but i saw it mentioned earlier about a dwi. at minimum, a peace officer could initiate a stop, call 1 of us (not that i want to do another dwi like this and i doubt many of us do) if the person is intox, blows a .1 or whatever it is now, the peace officer can sign a dep. i am not a dwi queen by any means and i know someone reading this is going to think why give them anything(scpd) but certainly it is better than letting someone drive like that. speaking of peace officers, i live in brookhaven, we have public safety, pj constables, old field officers,poquot officers, anyone know what if any status they have? i know the townies have the 10-19 codes for movers are they peace officers?

[info]

pj constables and old field officers are not peace officers. They have tried to get peace officer status but as of yet are not in the cpl. If the brookhven offocers are park rangers then they have the status and I'm not sure about poquot

[OneUnderK]

Brookhaven had Park Rangers at one point years ago, but the town abolished the title and they are now just Brookhaven Public Safety officers. As for Poquot I'm not really sure.

[thismeanswar]

I hear ya, Dog Walker. I am pissed because of some stupid bitch park ranger out of Islip. My GRANDFATHER was having a bagel and reading the paper at Byron Lake 2 months ago before it was open. (The sun was up, tho.) He was just minding his own business when this butch woman pulled up to him and kicked him out of the park! She gave him a ticket, too! We've called and complained about her, but there isn't anything that can be done. Doesn't she have anything better to do with her time at 5:30 in the morning??? My grandfather has been living in the Town of Islip for over 40 years. How about taking care of the MS13? :">

[park guy]

if they were in the park at 530 am she would have kicked them out to.complain all you want but, nothing you can do but pay the fine.

[serf]

Just for inforamtional purposes, SUNY is no longer Public Safety, They are University Police, and all officers that patrol are Police Officers, not peace officers.

[OneUnderK]

You stated that you work for a village on the north shore, so if you are dealing with Park Rangers that pretty much narrows you down to either Head of the Harbor, or Nissequogue, and as far as I know all the MOS of both of those dept's know the powers of the Town Park Rangers, and all have a good working relationship. So just out of curiosity where do you work?

[hohpo]

Good point. So you must work in either Niss, or HOH. I think you are a security guard in a school or something. We all know the rangers and some of us are or were rangers at some point. Just knock it off, "Suffolk Guy". Maybe you should re-name yourself, "Protek Guy"

[Regal]

Had to laugh at your last comment. Pro-Tek probably makes more money than you and is full time!

[OneUnderK]

Sounds like HOHPO hit a sore spot. FYI Head of the Harbor is staffed by all full time Police officers working a second job there, or retired guys, and as for salary I highly doubt that any of the Protek guys make what they make.

[noone]

Don't know where you get your info....HOH PD is ALL part time. Niss. PD has a few full timers

[OneUnderK]

I never said they were full time in HOH noone. I said they were full time in other places working there part time.

[curious]

I just signed up for this test, and was hoping someone could shed a little light on what the job is like.Are you basically doing police work in parks?Hows retirement and pension?

[Debbie4u]

how many park rangers do they currently have?
whats the starting and top pay with them?

[WANNABEE2]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN AND HOW MANY THEY ARE GOING TO HIRE?

[howie3]

This is not a county job. Although the exam goes through the counties civil service department, you would only be hired by towns and villages for this position. Salary would depend on the hiring agency. This is not a high paying job, but great if your young and want experience. Good luck!

[Debbie4u]

i seen the vacancy announcement, looks like around 30k to start and takes 12 years to top pay of hardly anything substantial, like suffolk park police but less

[noone]

Islip takes 4 years to top out, around 50K a year

[Debbie4u]

how many full timers in Islip?
it looks like it varies from place to place

[noone]

12 and 1 sgt

[curious]

You say Islip tops out at 50k but is there ot available?How about other towns dept are all the salaries the same?

[Smithtown]

I have lived in smithtown my whole life, and I see we have public safety cars that say park ranger.I guess this is a good thing.My question though is do we really need park rangers to enforce the laws in the few parks smithtown has?Couldn't this job be better preformed by the Suffolk police and in turn save me money in taxes?

[Oh Boy]

think of it this way,town public safety covers town laws, suffolk po cover suffolk laws, there is around 70,000 difference in salary, do you really want po responding to check if you have proper paperwork for your deck? or your neighbors leaves on your lawn, or the refrigerator door not being taken off... or

[sgt c]

no

[the jeep]

AS much as i would like to call you vulger names I wont but you really have no idea what your talking about Its hard to figure out what you are but its obvious it has nothing to do with ANY TYPE of law enf.or legal issues.whoever is feeding you your info its not right.YOU make yourself sound stupid by spewing half truths.Actually I'd love to get you in court on a VTL violation that was issued on a public rdwy just to see your face when the hearing officer at TVB says PAY THE CLERK!!!!! MUSIC TO MY EARS.

[lawguy]

Hey Smithtown, ignore "oh Boy". He has no idea what he is talking about. It amazes me how many people spout nonsense about topics they have no knowledge in. They should at least make an attempt to find out information before making themselves look like an ass. Anyway, Smithtown your Town has a Public Safety Department which has Fire Marshals, Bay Constables, Ordinance Investigators and Park Rangers. The "few parks" you state actually number upwards of seventy facilities. The Park Rangers patrol all town owned parks, beaches, buildings, highway yards, sumps, etc. They also are responsible for closing parks, opening and closing buildings, responding to alarms at town facilities, etc. The Suffolk County Police do not have the manpower to handle all of the parks and beaches nor would they do much of the job Park Rangers are responsible for. Yet the SCPD 4th Precinct and the Park Rangers assist each other often. Park Rangers do not check paperwork on decks, care about your neighbors leaves, or check illegal apartments. Non-uniformed Ordinance Investigators handle that stuff in unmarked cars. Park Rangers will address the refrigerator issue after hours rather that let a child die. Fire Marshals, SCPD and any human with a brain would do the same. Regarding which laws Park Rangers enforce I will point you to The New York State Criminal Procedure Law 2.10. For those who believe there is a $70,000 difference in salary, again ignorance is no excuse for looking stupid. It's a wonder people make it through the day without drooling on themselves. Smithtown has beautiful parks. Part of the reason is because they are constantly patrolled 24/7/365, summons' are issued when necessary, arrests are made when needed. That is why Smithtown has Park Rangers.

[Oh brother]

sounds pretty much like what oh boy said but in about thousand less words. town employees handle town jobs, scpd enforce nys, county law. of course there is overlap.
personally i think oh boy answered the question better,
''Couldn't this job be better preformed by the Suffolk police and in turn save me money in taxes?''
you didnt even address it.

[oh geez]

''have public safety cars that say park ranger''
notice the statement
''your Town has a Public Safety Department which has Fire Marshals, Bay Constables, Ordinance Investigators and Park Rangers.''
notice your statement
''town public safety covers town laws,''
notice his statement
the original poster is talking about public safety, including park rangers.
you are talking about public safety including park rangers
''Park Rangers do not check paperwork on decks, care about your neighbors leaves''
where does he say that?
''po responding to check if you have proper paperwork for your deck?''
around 70,000 difference in salary
notice around not exactly
70,000 difference in salary,
i made 132,000 this year and im in step 1 of a 5 step raise, many of my coworkers are well over 120,in fact someone hired TWO years ago is almost at 110 for the year. park rangers make 60-70 grand?
again ignorance is no excuse for looking stupid.
i'll take your word for that.

[lawguy]

So basically you are Police Officer who makes a big salary working OT and therefore thinks he has all the answers already. "Smithtown" stated he sees Public Safety cars that say Park Ranger on them. Hence my discussing Park Rangers. Like Suffolk, Park Rangers do not handle the things he was aking about. Unlike many Suffolk P.O.s, Public Safety handle Town Codes that they (SCPD) are legally allowed to enforce but don't, won't or don't know what they are and don't bother learning. Often times Public Safety dispatchers receive calls stating "I called the precinct but they said they couldn't handle it and to call Public Safety". I am not sure what "Suffolk Laws" you are discussing that you enforce, but aside from Town Codes, Park Rangers also enfore NYS Penal Laws, V&T Laws, Conservation Laws, Park and Recreation Laws....Hmmmm sounds alot like your job but for less money. Maybe that is another way to save money. I think Suffolk Park Police do the same thing for less money also. Enough with the "real cop" attitude. Many SCPD officers work side by side with Public Safety employees without the attitude.

[attitude]

yes my friend i was not blasting them, i was blasting you. i have no problem with town employees.
aside from county laws,village and town ordinances, abc laws, real property laws, family court act laws,navigation laws,mental hygiene laws,enviromental conservation laws,labor laws,prhp laws,personal property laws,public health laws,railroad laws, social services laws, transportation laws.suffolk laws for example no cell phone, hov regulations.these are laws only enforced in certain areas of nys.
you need to relax the poster was stating that the public safety guys provide a valuable service to the towns and save the towns money. dont be so quick to jump all over someone.

[Oh Boy]

yup this guys got a chip on his shoulder
u forgot to mention aside from enforcing laws, handling calls, how many domestics do park pos get?
how many stabbings? crim mischief, accidents,aided cases. etc that what we do every day you dont

[park po]

Oh boy, are you referring to town park rangers or Suffolk county park police, with your "stat" comparisons?

[thank you enough]

im addressing lawguy, not park rangers and certainly not you brother. i've had you guys back me on several calls, i dont have a problem with pissing contests, however when a smug little noone like lawguy decides to attack as you can tell, many people are going to respond.
be safe out there bro

[oh geez]

soory im not oh boy im myself, believe it or not your self defense/attack because you aint nobody post was offensive to more than one cop. i dont work smithtown, too slow, so ive never dealt with park police or rangers im sure most of them are good people, but theres always than one that dont play nice.......................

[rangers]

anytime someone has to defend themselves by saying ''i can arrest someone, really, i swear.'' watch out there is a big time identiy crisis and a complete lack of respect for them. i dont think i would stop for one if he tried to pull me over

[Park Ranger]

There is no chip on anyones shoulder. Park Rangers do not think that we are Police Officers, we go out and do our job. We don't go out and hunt for DWI's or other movers. For the most part we have a great working relationship with the PD, at least as far as I am concerned. Suffolk guys have always been there to lend a hand whether it was being out on a car stop in one of my parks, or helping process an arrest at the precinct. Don't go and lump us all into a group and say that we have a chip on our shoulders, its a job. This thread shouldn't turn into a pissing match between agencies, we should all be working together there are enough people who thinks anyone who wears a uniform is an a$$hole, so lets not fight among ourselves. Stay safe guys.

[Sorry]

no not all park rangers just lawguy

[JunkYardWilly]

You all stop postin @#%$ bout my boyz in blue, I dont want no one saying anything bout 50.

[public safety]

as a fellow safety officer i have to agree. the original response from oh boy was somewhat simplified but gave a average citizen the difference between a cop and a town officer/ranger. there was no reason to launch a tirade against him/her since there was nothing that seemed offensive.
its clear that lawguy is not too sure of his place, in other words insecure, since he argued about the differnce in salary and the amount of power he has compared to a police officer.
yet if you notice on the other ranger thread many guys posting who state they are cops are defending us.
who cares, its a job.
i too apologize to the people he may've offended

[rentacops]

why can't you guys carry guns if you are so official?

[No Guns]

Why don't we carry guns? Because of the liberals that make our decisions for us. It wouldn't be fair for us to defend ourselves against some poor gang member who is just firing off his fully automatic Mac-10 expressing "Black rage", after all most of the gangs use town parks to hold their monthly meetings in anyway. But if you listened to the brain dead retards at Newsday they would make you believe that gangs on Long Island are "Party clubs" and people having fun. By the way moron, having a gun doesn't give you any less authority or more. There are many police agencies that are unarmed. Corrections, NYC hospital police, Campus police (some), NYS OMH Police, and a few others. You come out and do my job idiot. Try doing it without a gun, and telling 50 latin kings, MS-13's, Or Bloods/Crips on a hot summer night after they have been drinking and smoking crack that they cant hang out in the park, test fire their 9's, and tag the walls. People suck. It's the public Vs. any form of authority. Let the criminals run rampant if you want, don't call 911 if you need help someday.

[Guns]

Some of them do carry guns, idiot!! And they carry section 400 exempt. Just like a Court Officer or Correctional Officer. So keep your mouth shut, you ignorant, overpaid, "do nothing"

[BIG BALLS]

I personally work in an unarmed law enforcement position,I've arrested scum that even an armed officer would be very cautious with,any panzy ass mother f***er who thinks he's more important because he's in an armed position would not do the job if he was'nt strapped.I dont know if this makes me and my fellow "unimportant" officers Brave or Stupid,maybe both.I do know that the good cops out there dont look down on us and they have the balls to admit that they think we are crazy to do what we do without guns and they admit they wouldnt do it.So, to the dick who thinks the gun makes the man,I would like to see how you would handle yourself on the streets without the piece on your hip,bet the only time you would get out of your car is to write a parking ticket,@#%$!

[ease up]

was not a p.o. no need to go after other leos because someone is busting on you. if you notice thruout this thread and board, we have been defending you, do not turn on us.

[me]

i've done this for 7 years, fairly average stats, 25-30 arrests per year,100 calls a month, 20ish utt a month, numerous car stops, dwis domestics,fights, rollarounds,disturbances, other than felony carstops, never drew my gun, maybe 1-2 times a year.
the glock is the last resort, dont pull it unless u want to use it

[real deal]

Everyone knows who had the highest stats.

[BIG BALLS]

Dont want to be misunderstood,if you notice in my writing I mentioned how the good cops out there treat other leo's in unarmed positions,I was addressing only the cops who think that they are better than the guys like myself who are sometimes labeled as not being "real cops" or "wannabes",I dont claim to be a cop nor do the people I work with,we are what we are,dont need to boost my ego by trying to convince somebody otherwise.When it's necessary to do so, putting the cuffs on some wiseass shitbag and taking them into the precinct is all I need to do for them to know what my authority is.I'm glad to know that when I need a show of force I can count on the "real cops" for back up,they've always shown up when needed,never with attitude towards us,always effective,NO JOKE.Some of the people I work with have had the occasional cop show up with the attitude that they were annoyed,acted like they were being bothered and did not want to help,usually not the case though.If the guy I was originally responding to is not even an LEO,my mistake,no disrespect to any officer who doesnt have the attitude I described,fact is I need help from the guy's with the manpower and the guns sometimes and I would always be there to back any other LEO if I could help.

[stats]

and who cares?

[I]

I think ME missed big balls point,ME is right,it does'nt necessarily take balls to do the job unarmed but you get a sense of confidence and safety when you have a gun on your side,not that you feel you cant get hurt or your not in danger,but the worst thing you can encounter is someone with a gun,at least if the @#%$ hits the fan you know you can shoot back, right?Going out unarmed can play on your mind that much more when you make that car stop or get into a confrontation,you always know in the back of your mind that if the guns come out,no doubt about it your OUTGUNNED.You also have to realize how much that gun on your hip keeps people in line no matter how much they would like to mouth off or maybe even take a swing at you,people are not to quick to go up against a 9mm and a badge,the badge alone does'nt have quite the same effect.

[NYCPO]

If you only pull your gun 1 to 2 times a year, you are either working in a slow place or are taking a big chance. You don't have to shoot it when you take it out, but you will wish you listened to that little voice telling you that you should have it out. Split seconds count. Don't hesitate. If you are thinking you might need to pull it, it should already be out. Be safe, not stupid. Even keeping it at your side behind your leg shaves a second off as opposed to still having to pull it out of the holster, and the person being spoken to will not see it. But YOU know it's there. God forbid.

[me]

i differ with both of you, the gun is there for dpf only, lets face it out here in suffolk, the trash that roams the streets doesnt respect us,gun or not, and we will roll around. at that time the gun is a liabilty. as far as being outgunned, in those 7 years, ive been involved in 10+ weapon calls,gun runs, and another 7-8 arrests that were legit, the caliber and type of weapons ALWAYS outgunned us and our vest.
nycpo, i work in a busy area, of my 25+ bodies a year only 1-2 are 155.25s in custody, i know when to have the gun out, and most of the time, its SAFER not to have it out. im not richotet rabbit, but when i need the glock, it comes out quick enough.
the most important piece of equipment is my vest over my gun, and that is limited, as we know.

[glock19]

really the glock wont even stop a poodle let alone a pitbull, better take a head shot.

[NYCPO]

O.K., i just get concerned when i see guys i work with NOT pull it out because they don't want a complaint. That is Bullshit. This liberal society cares more about hurt feelings of perps than a cops safety. It's scary. It is not hard to articulate why you feel the need to point it at a perp. I just hope no one would ever weigh their safety against a perps feelings. WHO CARES??! Your first job is to go home. They don't pay anyone in any job to get killed for an ungrateful community. Every civilian knows Diallo's name. How many can name the last police officer gunned down from our area? HINT: it was TWO. No one cares, no matter what they say or how pro cop they claim to be! Just ask them that question. You will see. Be safe, and Always wear the vest. I feel the most important piece of equipment is your instinct, then the radio. The last is the gun.

[Taxpayer]

i think the problem in suffolk, there are park rangers, police, town safety officers, village officers, constables,county police, sherriffs, even the volunteers fd have fire police, whatever they are, way too much overlap, redundancy, i understand everyone wants to drive around and play cop, but its hard to know who can or cant arrest, enforce what laws.

[Another Taxpayer]

I will say this as briefly and simply as possible,all the job titles mentioned by "taxpayer" have their own functions,do specific things in the course of thier duties,public safety for one example has abandoned vehicles towed off roadways this is just one of the things they are responsible for,do you think paying a suffolk cop 100+G's a year to do what the public safety guy does for about half that salary is going to help your taxes?Each job serves a different purpose,if you replaced all these jobs with police who are earning 100k a year ,what do you think it would do to your taxes you dopey bastard?

[Janitom]

Want to know why there are all of these questions about park rangers? The cheese eating, internet porn watching, do nothing, no uniform, day tour working, wife leaving, drippy snatch, snake, who is also the highest ranking park ranger within the County of Suffolk. DRIP!

[Park Rangers]

That's raw, dude.

[you dopey bastard]

why are you even trying to figure out who can or cant arrest and enforce what laws? Why would the average law abiding "Taxpayer" have to know these things?Do you keep running into people who are trying to arrest you?Sounds like a strange thing to spend time figuring out.

[Taxpayer]

just curious, in this thread i find out a park ranger who i thought was a glorified tour guide can lock me up, want to nknow whats up

[luvin news 12]

enough of that!!! havent you heard all of Islip is going to JY jail. lets be polite and say goodby to.........................JS,CG,JC,JS,JM,EP,TS,JS ,ANGEL,and thats just to name a few.Good thing suffolk county is building a new jail.Islip will be filling the vacancies!!!!!!!

[To Jail]

give a hint as to some of the initials

[Whos TS]

Who is TS? Give me a hint

[Taxi Guy]

What about Cop-Injure?

[JunkYardWilly]

I believes dat be a guy named Tom, last name rhymes wi door..........JY dont think he be invloved it anyting do, I heards he quit when J.S. tried to reel him into his scam.

Angel.....not invloved boy

I heards dat Insp. C be sweatin bad dez days !!!

Da more JY thinks, the more he knows dat McGoon gonna protect J.M., and da Commish

[JunkYardWilly]

I guess dat no news be good news for da Sarge and Insp, and E.P. and da Commish. Maybe 50 be done wit my boyz and be movin on to another dept. how bouts DPW ??? Doz boyz are da REAL crooks, like dat foreman who gots caught in da crack den, and who tried to kill hisself !!!!

Hol up Hol up, I knows what you be thinkin....Dat was NOT Junkyards crack den !!

[JunkYardWilly]

Hey Boyz, I heards dat D.G. gots a new badge after she lost hers in da mens rooms of da local strip club. Her new badge number is #347, dat be for meritorious service rendered at post 347 to another officer in need !!! She don went above an beyond da call of duty for takin dat wet nap in her face and fo gettin covered in gravel and dirt !! She be one dedicated officer !! Wonder how she serviced da Chief and C.G..............????

Hey girl, I tol you I gots photo proof of dat 10-1 call !!! Don make Junkyard gets out da claw hamma !!!

[chief 0]

hey junkyard i think you should raise up on d g she has enough to deal with at headquaters give her a break p. s.here anything about sah stair he is the dick who should be getting ragged on

[shamrock]

STOP W/ THE NYPD TERMINOLGY bro, your giving us a bad rap. just accept your new pay raise and shorter commute and relax. who cares about park rgs. really,...is that what your new job is really all about.

[Question]

How come Park Rangers do not carry guns? I thought they get trained in firearms.

[In the Know]

Park Rangers are allowed to carry on their shield, they are 400. exempt. They do not carry due to department and town policies. Basically they carry all the time except for when they get to work, then their guns must be locked up in their lockers when they get into uniform. It makes a lot of sense.

[Guns]

actually it does,if they cant shoot the guns, they cant hurt themselves

[In the Know]

Who said they can't shoot? These men and women must go out to the Suffolk Sheriffs Academy and requalify every year just like every other law enforcement agency on the island.

[Question]

Why don't the Towns let them carry? If they are trained they should carry especially while they are working. The Towns are probably worried about lawsuit and don't carry enough insurance.

[knows not]

what academy does the sherriffs run? dont tell me the one in s. hampton. they just have offices there, thats scpd's inservice training. scpd runs the range, evoc

[might know]

Sheriff dept.trains thier own officers,deputy sheriffs and correction officers,I hope there arent people out there who think scpd is the only professionaly run dept. in eastern long island. Sheriffs dept. has thier own classes and academy instructors at suffolk community college western campus in brentwood,dont know if thats the only place.
Firearms training in southhampton has sheriffs dept. personnel who run training for all sheriffs dept.employees and outside agency peace officer academys,it is not solely owned and run by scpd,you have your information wrong.

[might know]

Rangers go to the classes at the SCC Academy, then requalify out in West Hampton.

[know too]

Sheriffs Dept. also trains Bay Constables,SPCA,some military police,Fire Marshals,and probably more,trained in law at suffolk college in Brentwood,firearms training at westhampton range.

[HA]

ha

[Unarmed]

I think its amazing that these guys go into those parks unarmed (though I think that the firearms policy should be revoked and rangers should be allowed to carry on duty). It shows how dedicated these people are. Thanks for protecting our parks in the Town of Islip.

[Islip Resident]

i think its amazing this job exists. forget about arming them, more real cops are hurt by there own guns than anyone elses, could you imagine the embarassment when a 12 year old disarms one of these empty suits?
even worse if one of the squirrel chasers here had to use it, get low those bullets could go anywhere
get real with the weapons, how many arrests are made at gun point out here?

[ThirdGenerationBlue]

Islip resident, you are a complete Jerk Off! Really guy, what qualifies you as such an expert on how well park rangers are trained, or how professional they are? Give it a rest, you come on here and continue to stir the pot, and unfortunately guys continue to take the bait. Give it a rest and go back to shopping on ebay or whatever else you were doing on the computer at 6:15 am. Better yet why don't you go throw your wife half a bang, I'm sure she needs it, and if you can't handle it I'll come throw her the other half. D!CK!:">

[Islip]

Hey guy, if you are so sure that rangers are not cops, why dont you go f*ck around in a Town park, get pulled over by one and tell them you are "Islip Resident" ! See what happens to you. All talk, no action.

[Islip Resident]

so ur saying you gots 1/2 dick? figures
sorry i wasnt up at 715 to post like you
gee i dont know if they pull me over, im scared what might happen? gee they might get rough w/ me, hopefully my 10 y/o daughter is there to defend me

[noone]

Grow up guy!

[lets all grow up]

look at the class of people dragging this out, both pro and con. u think only resident is 15?

[NONE]

FIRST LET ME JUST ADDRESS "2 TO THE BODY 1 TO THE HEAD'S" COMMENT ABOUT ISLIP RESIDENT ,ISLIP RESIDENT HAS HAD NOTHING BUT OFFENSIVE REMARKS ABOUT RANGERS FROM THE BEGINNING,HIS OR HER OPINIONS WERE NOT WRITTEN IN A CONSTRUCTIVE OR UNOFFENDING WAY,THE COMMENTS MADE WERE INTENDED TO INSULT,NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.WITH THAT SAID I HOPE THE INSULTS ARE DONE,ALL PARTIES INVOLVED NEED TO STEP UP AND BE THE MORE MATURE THICKER SKINNED PERSON OR PERSONS.

[normal resident]

right thats why he called him a 15y/o

[Islip Resident]

I can say anything I want to say. I hate rangers. I can say that all day if I want to. I hate all cops nad wanna be's like sheriffs, and bay constibles, and RANGERS, and mostly State police. I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!

[Islip Resident]

so much for the maturity truce, hey onewhoknows are you reading?
ps i dont hate cops or any real police officers, dont hate even rangers just tired of paying for some low level do nothing's brother-in-law's cousin to have a town job

[im maturerer]

so u mean rangers are like the head of sanitiation's, or whoevers in charge of street signs,wifes unemployed cousin getting a hook up?
hey my uncles sisters nieces cousin works for the county in the board of elections, hes in charge of litebulb inventory, can he hook me up? i wanna be a ranger, im a loser like them, well?

[Dickless Wonder]

[quote="yankee fan"]Oneunderk you are definitly a loser on a power trip. You must have been smacked around in high school. Have fun on the city job d!ckless wonder . I won't get locked up for DWI or agg unlicensed either but if I do get pulled over by a buff wanna be I'll definitly know how to handle it. I guess since you needed to make personal attacks you had nothing relevant to say anymore so go p!ss up a rope. [/qu

Dickless wonder? City Job? 1 combat cross -2 medals of valor-3 exeptional merit- 9 meritorious- 14 Excellent s


Meet you any time any place, dickless wonders?


Remember we run toward the sound of gunshots!! NIGHTWATCHMAN!!

[quote=yankee fan]Oneunderk you are definitly a loser on a power trip. You must have been smacked around in high school. Have fun on the city job d!ckless wonder . I won't get locked up for DWI or agg unlicensed either but if I do get pulled over by a buff wanna be I'll definitly know how to handle it. I guess since you needed to make personal attacks you had nothing relevant to say anymore so go p!ss up a rope. [/qu

Dickless wonder? City Job? 1 combat cross -2 medals of valor-3 exeptional merit- 9 meritorious- 14 Excellent s


Meet you any time any place, dickless wonders?



Remember we run toward the sound of gunshots!! NIGHTWATCHMAN!!
Guy this thread died in'04, let it go.

[quote=yankee fan]Oneunderk you are definitly a loser on a power trip. You must have been smacked around in high school. Have fun on the city job d!ckless wonder . I won't get locked up for DWI or agg unlicensed either but if I do get pulled over by a buff wanna be I'll definitly know how to handle it. I guess since you needed to make personal attacks you had nothing relevant to say anymore so go p!ss up a rope. [/qu

Dickless wonder? City Job? 1 combat cross -2 medals of valor-3 exeptional merit- 9 meritorious- 14 Excellent s


Meet you any time any place, dickless wonders?



Remember we run toward the sound of gunshots!! NIGHTWATCHMAN!!
Guy this thread died in'04, let it go.
Yet another thread that wont let go

yankeefan must be getting bored again

If you were stopped in Gardiners Park.. then you were stopped by a COP not a ranger. SUffolk County Park Police are full police officers who enforce all NYS laws in Suffolk County..inside the park and on the road. If your dog is off his leash...then U ARE WRONG, plain and simple. U are in violation of a county park rule in a county park. If your dog gets away from you and bites some other person or someone elses dog..u just opened yourself up to some pretty serious legal problems!! Especially in this day and age!! These rules are designed with all patrons in mind, and are for the safety of u and everyone else around u. Famous last words " my dog wouldnt hurt anyone". Dogs are animals..and ultimately unpredictable when approched by unfamiliar dogs and humans.

Sounds so serious. oooooooh! Get a real !@#$% JOB!!

smithtown park rangers should be ashamed of themselves because one of their emplyees thinks he owns the world....will not name names or give badge numbers, short lil fat guy with glasses hangs out by callahans and the kp bluff, you know who he is

the guy that worked for the islip towns to?? gotta be him....hes a doooosh bag

it does suck when there are good rangers out there who have to be embarassed by one

[another clinger]

If you were stopped in Gardiners Park.. then you were stopped by a COP not a ranger. SUffolk County Park Police are full police officers who enforce all NYS laws in Suffolk County..inside the park and on the road. If your dog is off his leash...then U ARE WRONG, plain and simple. U are in violation of a county park rule in a county park. If your dog gets away from you and bites some other person or someone elses dog..u just opened yourself up to some pretty serious legal problems!! Especially in this day and age!! These rules are designed with all patrons in mind, and are for the safety of u and everyone else around u. Famous last words " my dog wouldnt hurt anyone". Dogs are animals..and ultimately unpredictable when approched by unfamiliar dogs and humans.

Sounds so serious. oooooooh! Get a real !@#$% JOB!!
Lively one this thread ended in '04, why you ragging on posts and postees long gone?

[aeiou]

Stop complaining about the rangers, they are doing the job they are supposed to do.

stop crying and obey the laws you bunch of c u n t s

Stop complaining about the rangers, they are doing the job they are supposed to do.

stop crying and obey the laws you bunch of c u n t s
Stop posting on a dead topic.

[papabear]

Town park rangers come under article 2.10, Subdivision 9 of the NYS Criminal Procedure Law which specifically authorizes them to enforce a myriad of laws including the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law. Look it up for yourself.

And by the way, they can also call the county police for back up and the people you are telling they can't do anything would have to answer to them as well!



Town park rangers are Peace Officers. This means they have limited powers on town property. They can enforce the town code and certain NYS laws pursuant to their lawful duties as Park Rangers. These laws are very specific as to what can and can't be enforced by the Rangers. Rangers CANNOT make vehicle and traffic law stops off of town property even if the town has incorporated the NYS vehicle and traffic law into the town code-This is illegal anyway. They will claim otherwise.

[Park Doufuses]

Town park rangers come under article 2.10, Subdivision 9 of the NYS Criminal Procedure Law which specifically authorizes them to enforce a myriad of laws including the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law. Look it up for yourself.

And by the way, they can also call the county police for back up and the people you are telling they can't do anything would have to answer to them as well!

OK Barney, go tell goober to . . .

[UnregisteredBiteMe]

OK Barney, go tell goober to . . .


BITE ME. We are a police agency and should be respected as LEO's. I myself have already joined the Fraternal Order of Police!