Ticketing illegals...

[Fischman]

Just a question to any Nassau County Policeman- I hear people complaining about illegal "day laborers" congregating in front of businesses all day, creating disturbances, and harassing female patrons of the businesses. Are any of these people ticketed for loitering? I was under the impression that standing in front of a place of business all day is considered loitering and is a ticketable offense, but have yet to hear of any of these guys getting one. What's with that?
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[Dick Tracy]

rather than ask here, why not ask the respective Commanding Officer what he/she is doing about it?

[two dollars a day]

you watch the first cop that starts ticketing the illegal day laborers for standing in front of a business. he'll have every liberali organization on his back accusing him of being racist and targeting those people because they are Hispanic. to the liberals it is never a question of if they are causing a disturbance or even that they are in this country illegally. it's always a matter of the cop must be racist. plus most cops usually leave them alone in hopes they will get picked up for work so they aren't around all day causing trouble. ie getting drunk and passing out in the street or stabbing each other over $3.
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[seeker of truth]

I live in Farmingville and haven't seen anyone passed out drunk on the streets or aware of a rash of stabbings. Let me know where I can find them.
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[birdie]

rather than ask here, why not ask the respective Commanding Officer what he/she is doing about it?

Since when is the CO responsible for maintaining order and enforcing the law in his assigned post or sector? Isn?t the officer assigned to the sector or post responsible for that?

Try passing the buck somewhere else. And remember, no one respects an officer who is not willing to accept responsibility for his own inaction.

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[birdie]

you watch the first cop that starts ticketing the illegal day laborers for standing in front of a business. he'll have every liberali organization on his back accusing him of being racist and targeting those people because they are Hispanic.

More excuses for cops not doing their job. You guys can come up with more bull$#% excuses than a junkie justifying his heroin habit.

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[PattyCakes]

Yesterday evening I was attempting to exit a parking lot, when suddenly out of nowhere a small car doing appx 60 thru Main St in Islip. I happened to be going in the same dierection and saw it was a car full of foreighnors who pulled into the trailor park. Ironically a cop just passed them and didn't even notice
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[No Affiliation]

The Farmingville community has done a lot of research on the subject of what can be done about congregations of day laborers at the local level. I will provide a very brief synopsis a.k.a. the bottom line, based on the following:

Here's what can be done at the local level about congregations of day laborers in NY because IT HAS BEEN DONE IN NY. (in the recent past, 2003)

Spring Valley NY and Queens NY in 2003 implemented a policy of dispersing/arresting day laborers.

The highest authority on policy is the elected executive. In this case the mayor or county executive.

The former Suffolk County Executive was presented with a formal letter asking him to implement such a policy. It was also provided that such a policy can be implemented in NY because it HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN NY.

Result: He would not. (not can not)

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[two dollars a day]

birdie obviously you did not watch any news programing on Fri night if so you would have seen a show, i cannot remember which channel or what time however if you go in your TV guide you can figure it out. however the lengthy show was about police in the inner city of Cincinnati (a predominantly black community) these cops were "taking care of the problem" they were policing the "bad" neighborhoods aggressively. however all the leftist reporter wanted to say or hear in his lengthy report was that the cops in Cincinnati and a few other towns were racist. that's right they were racist because they write more black people tickets than white people. but wait a minute isn't this a black neighborhood. yes it is. so to a normal person it would only make sense that more black people get tickets because there are far far fewer white people to write tickets to. well not in the eyes of a liberal. in the liberali world if you write a ticket to or arrest anyone who is not white you are a racist. try reading newsday sometime it is one of the biggest liberal rags out there. newsday would love to put any cop and the scpd or ncpd on the front cover and accuse them of being racist. i can see the article now. newsday would tell of the plight of the poor illegal immigrant workers who are just trying to make a life for themselves here and the racist cops won't let them. the racist cops chase them away from the only places where they can gain employment and then write them tickets which they cannot afford to pay. it's the truth and if you can't see it you must not watch or read the news. you obviously have no idea of what one has to deal with being a cop. it's not bs it's survival. think about how you'd feel if you were a cop and you were just doing your job and newsday accused you of being a racist. OK i'll admit no biggie for me. but when your spouse and children can't go anywhere without being told their parent or spouse is a racist. that's just no good. i charge you. you think you know soo much and have soo much understanding go to the civilian academy and do some ride alongs. but then again you probably do not have the cojones. then we'll see what you know and what you understand.
seeker of truth just because you don't see things doesn't mean they aren't there. you cannot see electricity or carbon monoxide; does that mean they aren't there?? yet both kill hundreds of people a year. you don't see these things because they are not pc and the news dosn't care. all the news cares about is the plight of the illegal worker. read newsday they print stories about how it is great that there are hiring halls going up and how it is horrible that dmv is requiring social security cards to get licenses. all the media cares about is is how these people are "oppressed" and how they have bad lives. they do not care how they broke our laws to come here or how they continue to break our laws. it's not pc. the normal media line for one of these incidents that you do not believe happen is "eh typical salvi bs again" you don't see it because they don't care. what happens is when they don't get picked up for work in the morning they go into the store and buy a 40 of king cobra , steele reserve great bear or something like that and begin to drink when that one is empty they get another then another and so on. now one of them is running out of money and remembers that his "friend" over there owes him $3 from when they were gambling the other day. so he goes over and demands his $3 and a fight ensues and quite often a knife or the other weapon of choice machete (they keep them down the front of their pants) gets involved. talk to anyone who has worked for brentwood legion ambulance for any amount of time. ask them how many times they have taken jose sanchez to the hospital because he was passed out drunk in the street in front of pathmark and someone thought he was dead. or how often he calls 911 demanding an ambulance because he is soo drunk he cannot remember how to get home. or how many times he has been taken to the hospital due to fights over gambling debts. they can probably also tell you the story about the time he got raped in the but by four of his "friends" over a gambling debt. jose is just one of the many it happens everyday. jose is just usually better remembered because he has tried to hit and bite the ambulance crew on many more than one occasion. the system is a revolving door they go in and are right back out again. if you want to get mad at someone for not taking care of the problem. call ins and complain to them. the only people they deport or are even interested in deporting are Europeans. you know the English Irish the Italians. the root of your problem is ins; when they start caring. i'll almost guarantee you the situation will change. if you don't believe me go to the civilian academy and then do some ride alongs you'll see these events are not just figments of my and many other's imaginations. they are very real. that's all i have to say about that
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[Truth Teller]

seeker of truth is in denial. He see's what your saying but he is "no speaky" when it coes to this problem. Its so familiar to him since he is from that ignorant 3rd world culture himself that he does nothing to stop or change it. Yet he goes out into the world pretending everythings cool and "I no see noting".

[birdie flip]

Since when is the CO responsible for maintaining order and enforcing the law in his assigned post or sector? Isn't the officer assigned to the sector or post responsible for that?

Wow -- you almost thought that one out. The CO is repsonsible for all in the command. See what happens if there is a problem -- who takes the fall? Again, this time slower for you.... IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY SOMETHING IS BEING HANDLED, COMPLAIN TO THE HIGHEST PERSON IN CHARGE.

[seeker of truth]

I will restate. I live in Farmingville and do not see people passed out on the street or have seen any evidence of a rash of stabbing. You are the ones in denial. I did not ask for the same rhetoric, I asked for some form of proof. You deny police reports of a decline in crime in Farmingville and the assertion that it is not the laborers. But talk is cheap and at least the police offer up numbers not stories.
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[Truth Teller]

Put on News 12 they stabbing one another to death as fast as they can make them.

[two dollars a day]

well i guess electricity and carbon monoxide don't exist either then because i have never seen them. take the blinders off. get a clue. as for the numbers. someone passed out drunk is not a crime so that is not going to be in the crime stats. when the undocumented illegals don't want to talk to the police, which is often the case because they think they will be deported. which is quite laughable in itself. the incident is often written up as an ambulance call or a disturbance. neither of which are crimes and therefore will not show up in the crime stats. that's the county's way of playing smoke and mirrors games to make it look like crime is down and we live in a better place than we do. then when it absolutely cannot be made to go away. the da takes care of that by pleading it down to some nonsense and then that is what goes into the crime stats. so don't believe the numbers couldn't be further from the truth. it's all smoke and mirrors to make people like you happy and keep the county exec and police commissioner out of the hot seat. you don't have to believe it it's the truth. i read in a report once that leprechauns exist and a man in Oregon married a Sasquatch. it was in a report and i read it so it must be true. so please climb down out of your ivory tower and take a real look around with your bias blinders off before you spout off again. i said it before and i'll say it again go to the civilian academy and do some ride alongs and you will see. that is if you have the cojones.
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[Straight up Cop]

Loitering is no longer a valid charge, other then loitering for the purpose to buy drugs. The courts long ago, got rid of a loitering charge............Two dollar is very close to the mark........besides not every male hispanic standing in the street is an illegal, you cannot just assume that and start rounding people up. The first law suit would stop the county in its tracks.

The show mentioned was Dateline and I watched it and shook my head too.............They actually pulled there own stats and admitted the pull overs and ticket rates for whites and blacks were actually statistically the same, but then they went one step further and found two specific charges, (unlicensed operation and no seatbelt) as charges that were written to blacks 3x more than whites. They called them non moving violations ( guess what they are movers) and impossible and neary impossible charges to know until after the car has been pulled over.............Ok its impossible for us to see a driver without a seatbelt on, and impossible for a post cop to know a local driver ticketed before, for no license and see him out again the very next day driving again. They were splitting split hairs to make a story work for them, it was ugly in my opinion.

We locked people up all the time for forged INS cards and social security cards, then all of a sudden we were not expert enough to detect such fake instruments and the county and DA put a stop to the arrests, because they refused to prosecute. Only the INS or related agencies could make such a call on their documents. It has to be a real obvious forgery to make such an arrest now. The county is also getting sued for calling guys gang members..........We need all sorts of criteria to label a gang member a gang member. Tattoos, plus clothes, plus locations, plus normal intellegence, plus ...etc. The bad guys hang out with them and fight, rob, and steal with known members, but we still need to confirm for sure they are official members of the gang with a list of criteria to meet, or we could face a law suit..................otherwise they are only an associate. PLEASE if it quacks, walks and looks like a duck it's a duck............

Here is a quick little story to illustrate the system..........
Bad guy, gang guy (MS-13) arrested for possession of a weapon (gravity knife). He was a previously convicted of a penal law crime, therefore the present charge is bumped up to a felony.........
We go to court ....ADA offers a plea, back to a misdemeanor and says he probably wont take it because he is an illegal, and if he takes the plea and is convicted of even a misdemeanor he faces deportation..........

My question was, if he is a known illegal alien why would he not be deported anyway? Nevermind the fact he is a known gang member, and a convicted criminal ready to catch another conviction, his second in two years.

So how much good do you think loitering tickets(even if it were enforceable) are going to do.

As to not seeing the truth in Farmingville, there are numerous posts here in the past pages that document the problems of the illegals in Farmingville. Take them for what they are worth here, but I too have seen the common problems that spring up in the late afternoons in the communities like Farmingville, Brentwood, Westbury, Freeport, Hempstead...etc No its not everyday, but it happens often enough disorderly behavior, fights, urinating in public...etc Farmingville is not exempt I m sure. I personally dont think the day laborers and the gang guys are one in the same, and I view them as less dangerous to society as a whole, they do represent a real problem that both counties need to address. The problems are very complex hence the answers do not lie in ticketing Jose as he drives a landscaping truck or breaking up ten guys on a corner waiting to get picked up to earn some money. If you think the street cop is the beginning and end to this problem, you have a too simplistic view of the whole picture, in my opinion
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[seeker of truth]

You know electricity is there because you use it. You can detect carbon monoxide. And it is clear you can detect bull crap when you see it. It ain't so just because you say it is. Unless you have delusions of being a devine being, offer up something other than what you say is going on. You may be able to try to con those on the Board, but I live there and you can't con me.
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[po7885]

This is probably insignificant info relating to the issue being discussed, but just to let you know----Unlicensed Operation and No Seatbelt are actually Non-Moving VTL violations. They incur NO POINTS and, as such, are listed as a 'non-mover' EVEN though the violators were in a moving vehicle. The motorist simply pays a fine. There's not much else to it.
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[birdie]

birdie obviously you did not watch any news programing on Fri night if so you would have seen a show, i cannot remember which channel or what time however if you go in your TV guide you can figure it out. however the lengthy show was about police in the inner city of Cincinnati (a predominantly black community) these cops were "taking care of the problem" they were policing the "bad" neighborhoods aggressively.

Sorry Two $$'s. After the grind of a 9-5 week you'll find me bird dogging a bird at the gin mill, not in front of a TV watching news shows about cops.

When an officer is assigned to a post he is responsible for maintaining order and enforcing the law on his post.

When enforcing the law an officer takes or is exposed to risks. Those risks include being shot at or being called a racist. I don't think a cop is suppposed to be worried about being called names when he is enforcing the law.

To me, it sounds like you are creating shabby excuses for an officer who should be taking action when he sees a group of men loitering in a public place and creating a nuisance. There are many things an officer can do about this condition. Ignoring the condition and making excuses are not the ways of dealing with this problem.

People who live in communities affected by this problem have deal with the stress of having unstable, intoxicated people roaming their community. That is not fair to the people who own homes and legally reside there. People who live in the burbs want a stable community.


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[hawkeye]

this is the one i am referring to

[hawkeye]

alias county resident alais eagle?

[PO3617]

Arresting Illegal aliens simply for being illegal aliens is not the job of the police dept. We do not have the power to enforce the laws of the Immigration and Nationality Act which they fall under. That is the job of the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is the responsibilty of the C.O. to determine how he wants to handle the situation in his command. I know in the 6th pct, COPE units are assigned to handle this. Birdie, you say cops are finding excuses not to do their job. How would you, as a supposed supervisor, handle the problem of 100 day laborers standing in front of a 7-11? You should know that we can't enforce loitering anymore. Would you lock them all up for trespass or discon and take every sector out of service processing? If you did i hope you are photogenic because i guarantee your face will be plastered all over the papers. Until the fed. govt steps in and starts enforcing the laws of the INA, the problem will continue to grow.
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[Sum]

Arjo Bakery back 2 years ago I was there and the girl at the counter told me the men standing out in the back of the Bakery were drinking... I looked and YES they were there.. Some were so drunk they could not walk well but they were also driving in cars. .. A day later in Newsday it was reported a Man was killed on the Main Road.. he was totally very very drunk.. he was one of the same men I was hanging in the back of the bakery drinking about 9am... The girl at the counter threw them out because they were already drunk in the early Morning... The women who hit the man got a law suit by some Latino lawyer.

Just to say this was going on weekly behind the bakery. and at the homes these men live in..

July 4, 2004 a man drove back to a restaurant and he was very very drunk.. Now dead.. shot.. so don't tell me you never heard these men drink. Think he even want to drink more .

you want more stories.. I got plenty.. many never got in the paper... NOPE they don't way to hear when the Illegal is in the wrong.

Last week.. man comes out of 7-11, Farmingville, Illegal pulls knife on him.. he report it to the police.. NEW 12 wanted nothing to do with it.. That why most of the crimes are hush in Farmingville.. something happens every day..

Been there saw it.
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whats the difference there and any other part of the 6th pct? the race of the perp? pleeze, excluding gordon heights, take skelden, centeroach, pjs, coram, medford,pick one anyone, they all have 2x the crime that farmingville does, excluding hispanics farmingville is in with the rest of them. all you people are a bunch of animals, now you just have the convienence of blaming the illegals.
illegals have always been a problem just ask any american indian

[we need protection]

we had to lock up every person who commits the equally horrible violation of not wearing his seatbelt. in the 6th pct we have 19 cars..nineteen, and one body to the car again 19.we cover from the sound down cr 21 to the railroad tracks basically up patchogue holbrook road over to center moriches in stonybrook.sorry no can do. farmingville is divided between 3 cars three guess how many cops? that would be impossible. you want more tell stevie to hire a few more of us. then you must realize they go into pct and they would post their bail and be out in 1 hour.

[Joe Karpe]

then you must realize they go into pct and they would post their bail and be out in 1 hour.

Who cares if they make bail? At least they have been arrested for committing violations...and when they fail to appear in court, there will be a warrant issued for them and the next time they are arrested bail will be denied because of the outstanding warrant.

[3 cops]

farmingville is a big town, how can just 3 cops cover the entire area? no wonder there is so many problems down there.i think suffolk really should think about increasing staffing levels. with all the houses, condos, co-ops, going up, they really need more patrol cops. you walk into the pct and you see like 5 cops just hanging out,"working " the desk, put 2 of them out in a car,let them earn their money. hire some more bodies do whatever you have to.

[no offense]

you did not get the point. i lock someone up, im out of service for 2 hours. it is very rare that a violation warrants a desk appearance ticket as opposed to a field appearance ticket. if we arrested every person that committed a violation, same as driving without a seatbelt, we would never be able to answer all the important calls we have, you know the my neighbor looked at me funny, i want him arrested for optical assault, do you know there are over ten different types of alarms, residential, silent panic, ambush, fire, carbon monoxide, motion, commercial, burglarly, medical, lifeline,even cars have panic alarms. seriously, loitering/ dis con are not considered viable reasons for arrest, not that we dont do it, i've arrested someone for driving without a license, there was of course underlying reasons.
as far as warrants these guys have no id, it is next to impossible to verify who is who, and they do look somewhat alike, that in and of it self is a nightmare.
farmingville's 3 patrol officers are responsible for other areas, coram, selden, lake ronk., centereach, medford. they do not specialize in just farmingville. you are right the population, the roads out here are packed,you probably are not getting adequate police coverage, i'm not complaining but you have every right to.

[deport them all]

first of all 3 cops, farmingville is not a town, its a hamlet, brookhaven is a town, if what no offemse is saying is true,how do 3 cops cover 6 hamlets?heaven forbid if there is just a huge fight, what do you do call the 4th pct for backup? were is our tax money going, the dare program? yay have a cop go into a school and do the work of a teacher.
cope? all they do is write tickets, i know 1st hand.
why dont they do something about their regular cops, they seem to be in over their heads?
i know that immigration is not enforced on a state/ county level, but why cant the feds do something? not like they're catching all the f**king terrorists. pull up to horseblokc and 83 with a bus, tell them its a big job,"mucho grande trabajo"
load them up, hit huntington next then drive them somewhere, mexico, canada,jersey, who cares?

[Sum]

This happen a few years ago.. by an Illegal Alien. he was arrested and a court case was brought up...I was there.. the Alien never showed... He was out on bail and vanish into thin air... This is what happen to most of these guys... or every case I went to..

I think the Poster above who said they get out on bail is correct.. it takes time and paperwork to arrest anyone and then our beloved Catholic Church comes to bail them out.. or it has happen like the K-Mart arrest.. The beloved Priest was at the court house to support the Illeal Alien who did the RAPE... We ask him if he ever went to see the girl who was rape... HE told us NO!!
and like I said the Alien blew into the wind never found.

This happens more then you know.. they carry no I.D. thats real.. This is not the fault of the police but the fault of our Fed Gov't.. The police as least now change the amount of bail required... to make it harder to bail these guys out before court..

Believe me this goes on in all towns.. not just Farmingville.. Illeal Aliens has spread out like a cancer throughout all the towns..

I have seen more the 3 cop cars in town.. but I believe that is special orders.. Ken Rau had set up some time ago, having many police cars in the area during early morning if they were not on another call..Not sure if they are still doing it.. Ken moved up the ranks .. Someone else is in charge..












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[yes sum]

the 3 are the ones assigned that area, any car can respond to a call in the area, u prob. mean the cope cars on the"farmingvilie initiave, by the way above poster forgot to mention 2 other hamlets covered by the 3 cars, holbrook, and holtsville

[Sum]

Maybe I'm not asking correct.. Has there been more crime and problems in the areas where the Illegals live and look for work.. This would be a bigger area but possible someone could answer..

Maybe you could brake it down the way the Police see it.
I'm not to savey on this. but would like to know.


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less calls in farmingville than coram ,selden, pjs, centereach,"s setauket", no criminal calls in farmingville whatsoever, yes in all the other hamlets mentioned, couple arrests north of rt. 25

[profiler]

for any cop to comment on how many crimes any minority commit, leaves us open to the charge of profiling, sorry those days are well over with we cant trust anyone but our own color, blue

[Why are cops scared]

Why are cops so afraid that the liberals ie: Newsday will give them bad publicity when it's 1) their job and 2) what the rest of the thinking, tax paying, english speaking community wants and 3) it'll be good publicity for the next new right leaning politician that we hope takes back over in 2006, 2008. Why do the cops give a bleepity bleep about their "publicity" at all?

[profiler]

but like it or not, police=politics. the police officers that are politicians feel it is bad p/r. they tell us how to patrol, they set up guide lines as far as how we treat people, theyare the 1s dealing with the issues you are worried about. like it or not l.i. is very liberal, theyare trying to save their places, we just do what we are told

[TOB FF]

100+ a year - I can't believe these excuses. If it's not the police's job, it should be made the their job. Let them earn their freakin' money. "then you must realize they go into pct and they would post their bail and be out in 1 hour." There should be no bail when they break the law. As for profiling - if the shoe fits wear it. We didn't force such a large percentage to break our laws. I can't believe some of this logic...
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[you are way off]

let me start off by saying, i lock up who ever deserves. to be locked up. ANY group of people hanging out cant be locked up. outside of farmingville, we have loitering problems in selden, centereach, middle island, coram, holtsville, holbrook, medford, pj,pjs, stonybrook, mt. sinai, miller place, setauket, terryville,lake ronk. these groups will be doing drugs,vandalism, fighting, racing, drinking,stealing.. u get the point. when we catch them we treat them accordingly, difference is these animals are not illegals.bail is a right given to the people by the government, like it or not the government sees the illegals as our equals, they have the same rights we do.
i work in the farmingville area,as far as breaking laws, i had 9 arrest last month, none were illegals, none were hispanic, black, chinese, indian, they were all white. this whole year, i probably have 30+ arrests 1 hispanic, 1 black.... whats large percentage we talking?most crimes out here are committed by males 18-30, good % are white
you as a citizen can say whatever you want about who is committing crimes, the second say the same thing.. racial profiling.
believe me most of us are sympathetic with the good people out there,however the current admin, is a kinder, gentler 1. they won by popular vote, that means either more people wanted liberals in office, or not enough republicans voted.
personally i have no problem locking anyone up, illegal or otherwise, but unfortuneatly loitering, dis con is a violation,that usually is handled by a summons as stated in other posts, same as a traffic infraction

[Cops]

the police did not fail you. we do not enforce immigration laws, please read up on what you talk about before you post, otherwise you sound ignorant. it has been stated b4 immigration= federal law. when i locked up a illegal for dwi 2 months ago, in smithtown, i called immigration as per scpd policy, they basically said thanks for the call, after that he was processed under the same procedures u would be. that is not our choice, thats the government . sorry wrong tree your barking up.
good idea with the boycott, dont use their services no workie no livie.
if the 6th only has 20- cars and a couple cope cars no way theycould handle all the no- speakeys at 7-11 on 83. call the feds let them do their job
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[how about]

we had a rental house in selden that was real trailer park types. call the town, frequently learn their codes file as many complaints as possible how many cars are on the property, stupid stuff like that #4516161. make it less profitable for the owner, called irs on him as he probably wasnt declaring taxes, he sold within 2 years.
the loitering that cop was talking about is different those are just kids hanging out not illegals thats apples and oranges.

[Sum]

LOOK: everyone here feels some cover up is going on.. Now this is not pointed at a Police officer.. as you poster stated above.. you are told what to do.. You alone have to stand by what your are told to do.. yes it's all about political correct..

PLEASE DON'T ATTACK THE POLICE OFFICERS THEY ARE PAID TO DO A JOB.. BUT THEY ARE ALSO TOLD FROM ABOVE WHAT TO DO.. It's nothing to do how they feel personally or how they feel about the real issue.. Come on these guys & gals are between the upper command t and * and US who feel we are not getting the whole truth..

When I asked about crime.. I didn't state weather it be Latino or anyone.. the person who answer didn't state this either..

What I do know that many other issues come up that are not called crime.. they are called something else.

So what I like to ask.. There are far more men on the street then every before... I'm not sure how these men live or even if they live house or in the woods ..

This again is just not Farmingville issue.. these men have spread out like a cancer.. and in areas that have other problems too... I agree to that.

I know to many live in many of the Illegal homes and fights brake out.. and other issues

Tension is felt every place. and this is horrible way to live when you pay so much tax. take care of your home and can't feel free to go into your own town..

Steve Levy said he would do something about this problem and yet he in almost a year and I see nothing !! IS he playing games with the citizens like all the rest do or is he going to get down to business and do something?

I do feel I live in an Alien nation have been betrayed by the one's I trusted.




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[TOB FF]

So there's not enough police to arrest these illegal bums. How about leaving the confines of your Crown Vic and dispersing the loitering dirtbags? Or maybe parking in that parking lot instead of elsewhere?
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[sensei]

the kids hanging out maybe your kids but they do more illegal stuff than all of mexico. who else rides rides around in cars causing 1000.00 of damage every weekend, you know how much pot we get off these kids, beer? fights all that great quality of life stuff.
i work in the 4th, my friend works in the 6th up north,not down by you, and not in the heights. hes been in on 3 armed robberies, 1 murder, 1 attempted murder prior collar, numerous felonies, stabbings, burgs,done search warrants at a bank with narcs, cleared a house w/ federal marshals, even worked with nypd antiterrorist taskforce, hes no one special, believe me on that, it is the level of activity in those areas. that stuff aint happening in farmingville, escpcially if you guys are making comments about the sector cars in the area, not earning their money, not getting out of their cars, sounds like farmingville just is not as bad as you would like to think
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[sensei]

forgot to mention that isnt his career thats the past 7 months.sorry to burst ur bubble, things can be worse, and we are way busier than u could imagine
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[Cops]

cops are the only 1s we see, they are a easy target, with their salaries. despite this, their salaries, suffolk is still run like a backwater hick town. their patrol is bogged down with unneeded work, alarms taxi rides for hospital, psych wards, the paper work they do is redundant. the dept. does not allow patrol to do investigations, just collect the paperwork for the follow-up command.
most of whats been said is true about our cops, they aint bad, it seems to be the brass that is screwing us. we need to start winning them to our side, and stop bashing them. they are small fry, politically. 3 cars in farmingville is not bad, but put in the other towns thye patrol and now its silly. i would rather have 30 cops on patrol handling say 70 calls a tour, than 20 handling the same amount, a cop with less workload has more time to patrol, enforce laws etc. are there going to be guys who dont do anything? yes, thats true anywhere, but are guys with a little more time and testosterone going to work? yes. if nothing else their answer we are too busy handling your b/s callls will be b/s.
the answer is political, forget the guys on the street,
go after their bosses, put pressure on them to do something. the street cops would have no choice but respond if you attacked the brass. go after your reps local, county, state, federal. do something crazy, register to vote. get the bleeding hearts out of office.
make it a point to express your views to your representatives.i agree with the town calls, as far as leaving the cops alone, no call everytime you see jose staggering home. give an interview, document, document, document.call and ask the pct for more patrol. call anytime you have a problem with 1 of the illegals i had 1 give me the finger because he wanted work. cop came wrote him a summons for some local ordiance. as he explained it, they never answer, its an instant warrant.you want as many calls as possible to show how busy the patrol cars are. sooner or later the brass will cave into pressure and do something about it.

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[mt mckinley]

can that be true you arrest an illegal, call ins and they dont come for him.thats not right. a illegal is the same as me in the eyes of the law.. something is not right.is that everytime one gets incarcerated or just if they are real,real busy?if he killed me would the feds come out for that? what if his name was naveed or mustaffa, bet they'd be there lickety split.
let me guess ,you bail him, he goes home because juan jimenez instead of jose, and back to 7-11 in the morning, why bother, why dont you just let him drive off, and have a nice little accident with another juan or juanita. this system sucks, we need your help, you've got to get them to change things.

[the boss]

just so you know the current admin. in suffolk has declared the illegals off limits. the patrol officers have been told not to single them out because they are standing around. if there is a 911 call in reference to a disturbance, then they are to respnd accordingly.
the cope unit is assigned the farmingville area in the morning and have their own agenda.
dont blame the sector guy for not aggressively going after them. if he did, he probably would get reprimanded.the illegals have the church/ public defenders working non-gratis defending them, and the current government seems to care how they view things.
just thought i'd let you folks know, tired of reading all the negative stuff on my guys, this is over all our heads . thats where your answers lay.

[Sum]

When we say Illegal are above the Law... Now you answer the question..

I'm one of the few who knows what going on.. I don't blame any of the police who are working the front.. I know and have know for years where the commands come from...

Now I must ask you one more question..
Constable Taldone who was hit by a DWI... Was the man who hit him Illegal ...

I know this was not in the 6th but I also know you know.

I'm sorry that some on here have to attack you, but I guess people are so frustrated (sp) on these issues they have to throw the blame onto those who witness what is going on...(the police in the cars) They feel that Suffolk Co. and the Police have defeated the people and joined the others who would throw a law suit at Suffolk Co. if you blink an eye against the Illegal... What they don't see it's our tax dollar would be spent to defend the County if this happens..

How did we let it get this far? I'm very fond of many who work the 6th.. Many grew up with my kids and I'm very fond of them the work hard and do a good Job..

One small story... when my father died in StonyBrook in the house a police officer was there all day... when the took my Dad away he gave me his ring he had on his finger.. He told me to give it to my Mother, which I did later.. it gave her comfort.. It was thoughful and I never forget... YES that was the 6th.... and if that man is still working I wish he know how much it meant to me.. MY son now has my Dad's to pass on to his Son.. As you can see some police officers are never forgotten.




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[Not Sure]

my guess is yes, when in doubt yes illegal

[COPE]

then why last week, were they doing radar in old field? or bike patrol in pj? i live up there i see them all the time, radar in old field? because someone with connections told someone in charge people are driving too fast. the suck-up lower level bosses send "their best" . thats how things go. if you dont contribute to mr levy's bashes you dont have a say.bike patrol in pj? must be rough.
thats where your special patrol is,there is like 2 roads in old field, everyone that uses them lives there. honestly how many of us know where old field is?

[Sum]

IN THEIR POCKETS WAITING ON THE STREET OF FARMINGVILLE FOR WORK..

I for sure think more problems will come.. Rev Al wants to hurt this community I just hope the 6th will see this and know who making the waves..

I think this is terrible Why on earth would he state this in Newsday.. Now more kooks and nuts will come in and cause problems.. easy money to grab.. Rev Al wants the Illegal to get hurt. So he can take down the Community... I hope the 6th is well aware of this..

This man has to be taken down.. I wish someone would just cut this man off in Suffolk Co. and put him in his place.. Get him out of Farmingville.. I've had enough of this two face jerk


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[Old Fielder]

I know that Farmingville has their problems, but why should any other area of the Suffolk County Police Department receive any less police coverage. For your information, speeding on 25a across the entire 6th precinct is a big problem. The road was built a hundred years ago, and kids race on it like it was the indy500. And guess what...they have also had a lot of accidents over the years where people have died. I would say that's a bit more of a public safety emergency than Juan spitting on the sidewalk in front of the 7-11!

Don't think for a second that the world revolves around Farmingville. We all have our problems, pay our fair share of police taxes, and will get our share of police services. And your insistance that all COPE officers be diverted to farmingville will have absolutely no effect on that fact

[COPE]

people speeding, in suffolk, listen, cant the local car handle that? we have that same problem but with way more roads/traffic.
i am sure that the north end of the pct has police issues, my point is when all the cops posting here point to cope as a answer, its certainly not like they're here 24-7. its a couple hours 5 days a week.

[the hammer]

rev al here, kewl, i wanna lock him up, he protesting?

[JackHorner]

Isn't the responsibility of immigration a federal thing? At least I figured it was. A P.O. from the 5th explained that the PD cannot stop the people in Farmingville from gathering because people have a right to gather, as long as they are not breaking the law, furthermore, you can not "stop and search" without probable cause that an illegal activity has taken/is taking place. The only group that could come to Farmingville and detain the day labourers is the Immigration and Naturalisation Service and they have made it clear to local authorities they will not intercede. So before taking it out on the cops about the illegals, look to Washington who is refusing to enforce its own laws when they could at any given moment come to LI and do a green card check. Which leads me to believe that a place for the labourers to go to be picked up would be a good idea: 1) They go in to this gathering point and are immediatly asked for proof of citizenship. 2)Only registered and licensed contractors may hire them 3) Labourers who entered the country illegally will be detained by the INS pending an immigration hearing, Resident Alien labourers are required to report their earnings so that appropriate taxation can take place. (Why should I pay for this knucklehead when he falls off a roof and gets medicaid to pay his bills?)

[BK419]

There is a place for them to go. It's called the Dept. of Labor. Why do they need a place of their own? Then we can foot the bill for the new building, utilities, maintenance, that person that ID's them, security...a little more than the $80,000 that was originally proposed.

[Sum]

Some question are being asked on crime which is a police issue .. I think everyone knows that the Suffolk Co. Police can't arrest because your Illegal in this Country.. But they can arrest if they brake the law.

A place for them to go.. At one point I think we all thought it might be a good idea but the truth is ..It doesn't work..

Illegal stand on the street and compete with each other to get the job.. put them in a holding spot.. they will never stay.. they be out on the street trying to catch the contractor before he reaches the the holding spot.

Lets face it.. 99% of the men standing on the street looking for work are Illegal.. and a good % of the contract are not lic.Reg with the Co. .. So what's left.

To be sure I don't want any more County Tax MONEY supporting them..The County already has to pay all the Hospital bill for them.. We already have 9 billion of tax nation wide money being paid out because of Illegal Immigration. Look at the Job market today.. how many have lost their job and when they come back into the job market the pay is lower.. What left for our kids.

As far as the Police.. Just wait with all the this inflex of Spanish speaking people flooding Long Island .. the Police with only hire if you can speak Spanish/English only.


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[FireDrunks]

The only one attacking the police was TOB FF, let me ask you something mister "I have 6 police scanners, carry my pager to family functions, have more blue lights in my car than my christmas tree, etc. im a buff, cant find a girlfriend, etc. etc.". WHy you fireman are out lighting fires in dumpsters while it gets quiet, why dont you go torch the areas where the illegals hang out, then the cops will be there all the time. Who the hell are you fireman to blame the cops?

[whoa firedrunks]

stop it, or we'll lose the playboy channel in the 43, again

[guest3435276]

i hear they are btaking the cars of people with no id now is that true?

i hear they are btaking the cars of people with no id now is that true?what r u trying to bury?

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