TOB DECLINE BEGAN WITH SCHAFFER

[EX TOB DEM]

Bellone appears to have inherited the aftermath of Rich Schaffer's poor and barely ethical approach to public policy. Having worked as an appointed official in both the Pitts and Schaffer administrations, I can attest to the turning point in the Babylon Dem's path to destruction.

It's time Babylon voters give Town Hall back to a group that is concerned about running a municipality like a business and not the utopia of patronage and opportunism that it's become. Entrenched power breeds corruption and in the same way voters kicked out the Noto regime with Pitts/Haugen/Kaufold, it's time for Babylon voters to kick out the Dems!
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[commiss]

you are so correct. Schaffer was the mastermind of the Babylon five Scandal. He told Doug how to fudge the books. The only reason he was not indicted was that he never put his hand on anything. Why do you think the Town of Babylon has a Twenty year contract with the residential garbage carters at the highest rate on long island. Thanks to RICH SCHAFFER!!!
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[jjbeam]

$500.00 + dollars to pick up my garbage, and thats my home. thank you dems.
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[Mortimer]

Which only means that Schaffer got rid of you and yours...Rich Schaffer cleaned up many of the messes the naive Pitts/Haugen/Kaufold regime let fall into wreck and ruin.

Heck he even kicked his own mentor to the street when he found his ethics in running the Town Democratic Committee to be lacking...

And as for garbage...take it to the genesis...the problems with the Garbage District and the problems with garbage have everything to do with feeding that insane monster incinerator, which was built too big and with a rock solid contract which would have bankrupted this Town by 2000 if the Commercial Garbage District had not been formed and fought for...so get your facts straight, and stop lying about a credible hanrd working public servant.



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[Mortimer]

This just shows your ignorance about the entire case against the Babylon Five. Schaffer never directed Jacobs or anyone else to 'fudge the books', truth be told if they fudged them they might have not been caught in the NYS Comprtollers Audit that started the whole thing unraveling...

No one is claiming sainthood in the matter, but remember not a single cent of public funds went to the betterment of any individual...the papetrail was easy enough for a damn state civil service auditor to find....nothing was hidden.

While it may not have been correct, and while it may have even been illegal in the way it was done...it was done to protect the Town residents as a whole from the monster garbage incinerator inherited from the Noto administration. So take you sainctimonious crap elsewhere and get a few facts.


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[Real Scoop]

You are the one who should be peddling your posts as fertilizer.

The Commercial Garbage District contract was awarded to a politically connected firm in a very questionable process, with hefty contributions that flowed like water into the Babylon Democratic Committee and Rich Schaffer's campaign coffers. In other words, it was public money given to the garbage company that was then used for the benefit of Schaffer and the Dems.

Also, the Neama case showed that money was taken from the businesses in a Ponzi scheme to keep residential fees artificially low. Schaffer and the Dems had the chance to do the right thing and refund the fees in 1996, but voted that proposal down. They chose to keep the Ponzi scheme going and now the taxpayers are going to have to foot a much heftier bill.

You might not count this scheme whose purpose was to keep the Dems in office as "personal gain" but that would be a very narrow reading.

Also, there are still lots of funds that are unaccounted for. No work orders, no accounting of what the money was spent for. Just lots of interfund transfers for undocumented costs. To say that no one took money from the town is premature.

It will be interesting to see what a real accounting firm has to say when the 2001 audit is finally released.

[commiss]

Either you are on the payroll or want to be. Your opinion of Rich Schaffer is very distorted. I have seen with my own eyes the hundreds of thousand of dollars in contributions from Garbage carters to both Rich and the town committee.

If there is nothing to hide why do the give the checks in there wives name or employees names.

If you do a little research instead of shooting ofF your big mouth you may have a different opinion of Rich the crook.

P.S did you ever hear of Adam Barsky
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[EX TOB DEM]

Nice to see that I've stirred-up some good dialogue.
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[EX TOB DEM]

Schaffer didn't get rid of me, Mortimer. My conscience required me to leave town hall. Schaffer has never been "straight" with the Babylon citizens, the democratic party or his own appointed officials. Get your head out of the sand!
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[Mortimer]

Yeah I heard of Adam Barsky...seems Mayor Giuliani decided that he was so terrible he would hire him to handle his money in NYC. So now go on a tirade against Giuliani why don't you.

And I never said that carters did not contribute, but obviously reading is not a strong suit of yours...and if you want to read som interesting reports why not try reading the reports on how the carters pumped hundreds of thousands into the campaign against Schaffer after he started the Commercial Garbage District...the Feds found it interesting enough to form an investigation surrounding possible RICO charges...but since the pubbies did not win, the issue was dropped. And why did the pubbies lose again and again against Schaffer...because the voters are smarter than the insolent politicians who attempt to manipulate them.

And a desire to be on the payroll...why like I would need the chump change that public service pays, only those truly committed or commitable are working for government...no real money in it, and the only benefit has got to be along the lines of a higher order.
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[Mortimer]

YUP
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[iknow]

Like I told you on the rumor bd. Get your resume together

[commiss]

You are correct about the Feds investigating the garbage district. But you have your time line wrong The investigation took place when Janet Reno was Attorney General and they were investigating The Schaffer crew but someone got to Reno(DEM) and stopped it.
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[Mortimer]

Wouldn't that cater into your fantasy...heard the latest poll results...Bellone and crew waltzing into town hall again this November....seems the disinformation campaign came too little and a bit premature...but I heard you Pubbies have that problem all the time...premature disinformation.
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[babylonworkers]

VOTE NO!

[BnGFedup]

You are a fool. If the demon-crats are so confident tell me why they had to take a poll in March in the first place. The truth is Belloney and co are sweating bullets and the republicans are coasting to victory on the wings of all the disgruntled taxpayers that Belloney has defrauded out of their hard earned tax dollars. The public isn't as naive as you may think. When the poll does come out you will realize that you'r done!!! Pack your bags!!

[commiss]

Hey Morty

Here is a little of what Barsky was up to

MAYOR'S DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS UNDER INVESTIGATION

Alleged Ties to Mob-controlled Garbage Companies
The New York Observer reported last week that Adam Barsky, director of the Mayor's Office of Operations, is being investigated by the Manhattan District Attorney for possible dealings with mob figures in the trash industry both in the city and on Long Island.
The Mayor's Office of Operations has been involved in making deals with commercial waste firms to export the city's trash, although the nature of Barsky's involvement is unclear, since the process has been conducted in utter secrecy.

So far, the Observer is the only news organization that has reported this story.The full story is available on the newspaper's web site.

The newspaper reported that Manhattan D.A. Robert Morgenthau is examining whether Mr. Barsky tried to steer $11 million in New York City Industrial Development Agency funding to mob-controlled Nekboh Recycling Inc. back in 1994. Barsky was then working at the city's Economic Development Corporation. The money would have been used to expand the station's operations, which were already notoriously large and lacked any legal permit.

The D.A.'s office is also looking into Barsky's possible involvement in the mob-garbage scandal that has engulfed Babylon, Long Island, the Observer reported. Investigators believe Barsky was present when the town's Comptroller, Douglas Jacob, was bribed by a mob associate in 1994. Barsky served as the town's previous comptroller, from 1989 to 1992, and recommended Jacob as his successor. During his time in the office, Barsky helped create a residential garbage district that issued a hauling contract to a carting company owned by Joseph (Mooney) Petrizzo, who is believed to be an associate in the Gambino crime family.

Nekboh Recycling was also run by a reputed Gambino family associate, Philip Barretti, Sr. Barretti pleaded guilty to his involvement in the mob-cartel that controlled New York City's commercial garbage industry, and was convicted in 1996. He also admitted to illegal petroleum dumping at the Williamsburg waste facility. Nekboh was then sold to USA Waste Services, Inc., who continue to operate the waterfront transfer station at 2 North 5th Street and Kent Avenue on only a draft permit.

The transfer station currently accepts an average of 5,359 tons of putrescible garbage and 800 tons of paper a day. It is the fourth-largest commercial waste transfer station in the city

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[Babylon thug]

Want to talk about ethics, it's a subject that Supervisor
Schaffer knows nothing about. He never had a clue.
I had an illegal garbage transfer station violating
zoning in my community. For 15+ years the violation was brought up over and over and over directly to the Supervisor, and he and his administration ( who is still there BTW, ) did absolutely nothing. It was a situation just like the recently reported problem on Frank Street.
We had rats as big as cats, and all the parents were afraid for their children getting Bubonic Plague, ( the
"black death" ) which does kill children. Bubonic is transmitted from rats through fleas, and our block was
infested. So as I said Schaffer's administration did nothing for 15 years. Then one day this illegal transfer
station joined up with the carters against the town in
that law suit,... AND THEN *poof*, Mr. Schaffer moved
against the illegal carter. In other words he didn't give
a crap about my community and the heath hazard that
they faced until that carter joined up with all the other carters.

Does that sound ethical to you? All those years of looking the other way. All those years of adjourned
court cases?

[insight]

The above posting is a good reason the Dems in Babylon want their own court for prosecuting town code violators. They claim they want it so they can go after violators more vigorously, but the real reason is so they can ignore transgressions by the party faithful and punish the unfaithful. Who do they think they're kidding?? The whole lot of them are bought and paid for political whores. I'm ashamed that I am represented by the likes of these Democratic bagmen, and I'm even more ashamed that the majority of Babylon Town residents are too stupid to see what has happened to our town since the Dems took power. Our only salvation will be intervention by the Feds when someone finally gets caught with their finger in the pie. Here's hoping!

[Babylon thug]

Insight,...you are absolutely 100% correct. I urge the readers here to visit the Southbay web page containing
the article "more time for court cases". One of the judges says straight out that "cases were not being
handled in a timely manner". It's seems the Town
Attorney then and now never met a adjournment that
he didn't like. The judge is not likely to embarrass the Town attorney and over ride the Town Atts. adjournment approval and force him to go forward with
a case, so the judge just goes along.

www.southbaynews.com/news/2003/0528/community_
news/moretimeforcourtcases.html

The town attorney adjourns cases so often that the violations end up going on for 10 years sometimes!
You only get prompt justice in this township if you are privileged or "connected". If there is any resources left
after the Supervisor's friends and friends of friends are
served, maybe they will help you throw out the crack
house or prostitutes from your block. There is no evidence that a community court will have any
*less shenanigans" going on then the outrageously
excessive adjournments in the County Court system.
In fact a Town Community Court will probably be
worse than the county system because the county
legislature has oversight power of the county district
system. Legislators will have no such power of oversight
into a Town Court. ( Probably why Bellone's puppet master(s) want the new court. Because no outside Gov't
will be able have a say. ) The fact that the court will be in the hands of Town officials who do so badly now
enforcing the codes, and excessively adjourn cases,..
means it will actually be less effective than the county
system. The only time you'll see prompt code enforcement if you live on the Supervisor street, or you
live on Democrat official street, or you live on a street
of some other favored connected citizen's street.
Otherwise you might as well move away,...which is exactly what the Supervisor and his puppet master(s)
want complainers to do. The squeaky wheel gets the boot! Unless you ruin some kind of public function that the Supervisor is attending, you'll get nowhere. They are
out to discourage you from having a wholesome standard of living. The Quality of life Taskforce is a bunch of cowards that only picks on easy, weak or
elderly prey. Ever hear the saying, "pick on somebody your own size" ? Business can crap all over your community, and the town will always look away.

[insight]

Excellent post. I would dare say you are not a thug at all, but rather another insightful Babylonian who is wise to the utterly corrupt Democrats ruining Babylon. Continue to spread the word!

[sam iam]

:The scaffer team took bribes from salvatore avellino an organized crime member who was finally convicted for ordering the murders of two rival garbage carters.Hell, the guy was even at public town hall meetings.That new court will be another cash cow for them.... cha-ching!

[Babylon thug]

Hummm, Sal Avellino,..whose family lives in St James?
Mr Cherkasky of the Krull Agency was at many of those
meetings also. ( Cherkasky was appointed by Federal
Judges to be the first official mob monitor for the
Long island carting industry. ) The two murdered carters
were Kubeka and Barstow. The FBI just recently caught
up with the trigger man of Kubeka, Barstow murder case.
Where is the evidence of the contributions from avellino?
It wouldn't suprise me, but I would like to see it if you know for sure where I can find it.