In: POLICE VS. LEVY - It is the public that suffers

[Unregistered4therecord]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

Another spin job by those who believe they can do no wrong.

The cops want rules, guidelines, and plans to direct them? Fine, let Levy pile on a batch of those rules. At least make sure those already in force are obeyed to the letter.

Spin this anyway you want, but the bottom line is no detective showed up at the homicide scene. Disgraceful.

[levysspin doctors]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

Another spin job by those who believe they can do no wrong.

The cops want rules, guidelines, and plans to direct them? Fine, let Levy pile on a batch of those rules. At least make sure those already in force are obeyed to the letter.

Spin this anyway you want, but the bottom line is no detective showed up at the homicide scene. Disgraceful.

Spin this however you want;
Fact 2 sgt detectives whos callout policy wasnt changed arrived
No id section dics showed because the county refused to call them.
no homicide non-supervisors responded. This is the 1st time this has happened, and this was the 1st homicide since the county changed the policy.
Levy is the boss. He changed the policyto save money. However the new policy or lack therof was insufficient to ensure a response by a detective.
What happened is inexcusable. The bottom line is that it's the department's responsibility to make sure it has a policy on overnight calls that works.
The county/levy/dormer failed.

[hereitcumzz]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

Another spin job by those who believe they can do no wrong.

The cops want rules, guidelines, and plans to direct them? Fine, let Levy pile on a batch of those rules. At least make sure those already in force are obeyed to the letter.

Spin this anyway you want, but the bottom line is no detective showed up at the homicide scene. Disgraceful.

QUOTE=levys pr push;295667]I heard that levy will have his pr people hard at work on the web, even sites like this. Expect a lot of posts from his camp
Expect a middling boss to take a hit for this within the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]

yup/bump

[truman vs levy]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

Spin this anyway you want, but the bottom line is no detective showed up at the homicide scene. Disgraceful.

You said it. levy is the boss. he determines policy. It is his job to make sure his policies are effective.
levy dropped the ball.

[spin spin spin spin]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

Another spin job by those who believe they can do no wrong.

The cops want rules, guidelines, and plans to direct them? Fine, let Levy pile on a batch of those rules. At least make sure those already in force are obeyed to the letter.

Spin this anyway you want, but the bottom line is no detective showed up at the homicide scene. Disgraceful.

spin it indeed, the county never had a problem getting a homicide detective to a scene.
levy changed the policy. now it is his job as highest political head of suffolk to ensure there is no lapse of coverage after the policy change.
it failed. he failed.
spin away. doesnt change a thing

[Unregisteredspinspin]

QUOTE=levys pr push;295667]I heard that levy will have his pr people hard at work on the web, even sites like this. Expect a lot of posts from his camp
Expect a middling boss to take a hit for this within the next few weeks.

yup/bump[/QUOTE]

lol...

[levyistheboss]

Let's get the record straight : Levy, for better or worse is the BOSS. It is Levy that maps general policy for the police department to follow. It is the CE that creates policy, not the subordinate police officers.

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Exactly, and is there any argument that levy changed the policy, and that due to his policy change the county was unable to provide a crucial service to the public?
A service the county never had an issue providing before levy cut the standby service.
Its finally catching up to him.

[gaffe levy]

Levy removed a system that worked and replacedit with one that didnt.
He is the head of suffolks government.
He screwedup

[Unregisteredegg]

Enough Ben! The chickens are coming home to roost! Watch your insensitive and faulty policies put shame on you and your boss! Let the proud Hispanic community down again why dont you. You think this would happen in a white yuppie town in Suffolk? I dont think so! Shame on Dormer and all his yes men as a human being with family lies in the street so Levy can save a couple of bucks. Ask yourself this Richie..How long would you let your dead family member lay on the concrete to save the county money? 8hrs..10hrs..more?

[Corporate kid]

Public safety is the most basic service that a government must provide for it's citizens. It appears to me that CE Levy is more concerned with fighting with his cops than for the safety of his constituents. I really don't get it. I don't think the cops should get everything they want but I also think they have a very vital task to perform and obviously this rift between the parties has gone too far. I'm gonna side with the cops on this one. The cops will be here forever. CE Levy will be gone as soon as a better opportunity comes upon him.

[UnregisteredWRONGO]

Spin this however you want;
Fact 2 sgt detectives whos callout policy wasnt changed arrived
No id section dics showed because the county refused to call them.
no homicide non-supervisors responded. This is the 1st time this has happened, and this was the 1st homicide since the county changed the policy.
Levy is the boss. He changed the policyto save money. However the new policy or lack therof was insufficient to ensure a response by a detective.
What happened is inexcusable. The bottom line is that it's the department's responsibility to make sure it has a policy on overnight calls that works.
The county/levy/dormer failed.

I THINK u are wrong about what Levy did was to save money. He did it to screw with you and force you into a mistake. As far as I am concerned that is exactly what detectives did by not picking up the phone.

[ohnolist]

To above post:
No detective was called, it isnt that they didnt answer the phones. The order from Commish was that there was NO LONGER ANY STANDBY, nor call out. So there was NO LIST to even call a Detective out from! No detective was called. The scene was held for the morning responding homicide detectives and Lab. The disgrace was that they eliminated the possibility for any call out of detectives, not that they didnt want to answer their phones.

[Amen Brother]

Public safety is the most basic service that a government must provide for it's citizens. It appears to me that CE Levy is more concerned with fighting with his cops than for the safety of his constituents. I really don't get it. I don't think the cops should get everything they want but I also think they have a very vital task to perform and obviously this rift between the parties has gone too far. I'm gonna side with the cops on this one. The cops will be here forever. CE Levy will be gone as soon as a better opportunity comes upon him.

From your mouth to God's ears! And the sooner the better!

[tgiamretired]

The botton line on this is that Levy is the Boss and any policy change and how it affects the people of Suffolk is His responsibility . This was a poorly planed change and they did not think this change thru.
Mr. Levy be a man and step up to the plate and tell everyone how you made a mistake and you're plan to fix it. Don't hide under the Police Comm. skirt. Everyone knows you hired him and will fire him if he if he doesn't do what hes told.

[UnregisteredNOTTHE]

To above post:
No detective was called, it isnt that they didnt answer the phones. The order from Commish was that there was NO LONGER ANY STANDBY, nor call out. So there was NO LIST to even call a Detective out from! No detective was called. The scene was held for the morning responding homicide detectives and Lab. The disgrace was that they eliminated the possibility for any call out of detectives, not that they didnt want to answer their phones.

Before I try to refute, or question the accuracy of your post, first let me tell you that about 45mins ago I was heading eastbound on the LIE, near 56 and saw at least three SCPD cars assiting in an accident. The Sheriff's car was also there. Further down the road an exit or two I saw another SCPD parked under an overpass with a private car parked in front. That sure was an encouraging sign that maybe things are working out between all concerned.

About the Call Out. I am not a cop, nor was I ever a cop in the SCPD. If I am assuming correctly that the above poster is a SCPD cop, I will still tell you that either you are lying, mistaken, given bad information, and my information not knowing who and what you are does not come from a better source than mine. I know my source isn't lying or mistaken and that information came from some one that had to know. Now either the person that told my source is a liar or mistaken, then I have to believe what I heard is true.

I will also tell you that Dormer is as dumb as a rock. That he is a feckless, incompetent coward. But not even Dormer is dumb enough or foolish enough to cut off all homicide detectives from a homicide scene, especially in Brentwood, or where a lot of Hispanics live. Not after the Lucero homicide would he do that.

Maybe the word was out that Dormer/Levy wanted to curtail overtime for all the cops in the SCPD and they took it to literal. Afraid that the supervisor would incur his wrath, the supervisor didn't make a call out. If that was the case, then I think the supervisor needs re-training and another assignment.

The LAST thing Levy and Dormer want is another Hispanic uprising charging that the CE and PD doesn't care about Hispanics. Not even the biggest cynic among you could believe that. In fact if I was the supervisor and learned the victim was Hispanic I would have called out the entire squad and answer to the commissioner later.

Sorry, buddy, but your version of this simply doesn't hold water. I have been in many situations such as this and I know what happens - EVERYBODY, including the commissioner goes into the panic mode.

[UnregisteredNot Maybe]

Maybe the word was out that Dormer/Levy wanted to curtail overtime for all the cops in the SCPD and they took it to literal. Afraid that the supervisor would incur his wrath, the supervisor didn't make a call out. If that was the case, then I think the supervisor needs re-training and another assignment.

The LAST thing Levy and Dormer want is another Hispanic uprising charging that the CE and PD doesn't care about Hispanics. Not even the biggest cynic among you could believe that. In fact if I was the supervisor and learned the victim was Hispanic I would have called out the entire squad and answer to the commissioner later.



No, it was simple order "NO STAND BY" no misunderstanding. The other thing, why just Hispanics would it be different in Wyandanch, or with the Polish in Copiague, or even in the upper NorthShore?

[tothewayiheardit]

Before I try to refute, or question the accuracy of your post, first let me tell you that about 45mins ago I was heading eastbound on the LIE, near 56 and saw at least three SCPD cars assiting in an accident. The Sheriff's car was also there. Further down the road an exit or two I saw another SCPD parked under an overpass with a private car parked in front. That sure was an encouraging sign that maybe things are working out between all concerned.

About the Call Out. I am not a cop, nor was I ever a cop in the SCPD. If I am assuming correctly that the above poster is a SCPD cop, I will still tell you that either you are lying, mistaken, given bad information, and my information not knowing who and what you are does not come from a better source than mine. I know my source isn't lying or mistaken and that information came from some one that had to know. Now either the person that told my source is a liar or mistaken, then I have to believe what I heard is true.

I will also tell you that Dormer is as dumb as a rock. That he is a feckless, incompetent coward. But not even Dormer is dumb enough or foolish enough to cut off all homicide detectives from a homicide scene, especially in Brentwood, or where a lot of Hispanics live. Not after the Lucero homicide would he do that.

Maybe the word was out that Dormer/Levy wanted to curtail overtime for all the cops in the SCPD and they took it to literal. Afraid that the supervisor would incur his wrath, the supervisor didn't make a call out. If that was the case, then I think the supervisor needs re-training and another assignment.

The LAST thing Levy and Dormer want is another Hispanic uprising charging that the CE and PD doesn't care about Hispanics. Not even the biggest cynic among you could believe that. In fact if I was the supervisor and learned the victim was Hispanic I would have called out the entire squad and answer to the commissioner later.

Sorry, buddy, but your version of this simply doesn't hold water. I have been in many situations such as this and I know what happens - EVERYBODY, including the commissioner goes into the panic mode.

Misrepresentation can be cleared up by F.O.I.L (freedom of information) for the departmental order. I am correct. The order was as such. Whether Commish started it on his own, or it was at the direction of the C.E. doesn't quite matter. It is in print and can be requested using the F.O.I.L. request.
Another point you brought up, the C.E. and the hispanic community. After Mr. Levy stepped on just about everything he could have stepped upon of his own, he screwed up any backing from the hispanic community with the homicide in Patchogue, of the Equadorian immigrant who was murdered by several Patchogue-Medford teenagers. This is something that should be resurrected into the spotlight by the hispanic community. Not once did it backfire on Mr Levy, but now twice. Now an El Salvadorian immigrant was murdered, with an investigation in the spotlight yet again, with Mr. Levy as the ringmaster.

[Unregisteredwrongotoo]

I THINK u are wrong about what Levy did was to save money. He did it to screw with you and force you into a mistake. As far as I am concerned that is exactly what detectives did by not picking up the phone.

And what about levys mistake in your scenario?
Using a murder to screw us?
Thats not any better.

[UnregisteredBECAUSE]

No, it was simple order "NO STAND BY" no misunderstanding. The other thing, why just Hispanics would it be different in Wyandanch, or with the Polish in Copiague, or even in the upper NorthShore?

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE DIFFERENT ! After all that went on after the Lucero (?) 'hate crime' homicide, then you are brain dead.

It means not a wit of difference to me what the victim was in the latest homicide. I don't believe he was even Hispanic, but Pakistani, if I recall. But he was brown of skin and he was a minority. And that is a political reality for a Levy, and a Dormer. It should also be a reality for a detective that has the time and experience to know what the score is. You respond to the scene for no other reason to protect your boss from a fall out. The Lieutenant strikes me as a fine man that has the respect of all those that work for him. The hell with your piddling beef with the administration - take it to court.

[UnregisteredI MAY BE]

When I see a politician such as Levy acting the way he does it suggests to me that he is distancing himself as far away from the police department as he possibly can.

He sits up in a much higher plane than the cops, even the police commissioner. That gives him the advantage of knowing things you can't know.

It seems to me as though he is piling up the sandbags, and putting plywood on the windows and doors at the Dennison Building for the storm that he expects to come.

Even a cat has only 9 Lives, how much do you think Suffolk County has?

You better solve this one lickety split, and I expect you will. The longer it stays open the bigger the damage.

[Ralph Cramden]

About the Call Out. I am not a cop, nor was I ever a cop in the SCPD. If I am assuming correctly that the above poster is a SCPD cop, I will still tell you that either you are lying, mistaken, given bad information, and my information not knowing who and what you are does not come from a better source than mine. I know my source isn't lying or mistaken and that information came from some one that had to know. Now either the person that told my source is a liar or mistaken, then I have to believe what I heard is true.


I know that you know that I know that you know that your source knows that my source knows that your source knows that you don't know what the f-ck you are talking about.

[imlost]

unless your source has the order in hand and showed you, you are mistaken, lying, or were lied to, or had info misrepresented to you, or your source didnt know what they hell they were reading, hearing, seeing etc. Is your source the chief that was in the staff meeting that wrote the order??
If not, just stop with the he said that they said that he saw and said-s, its a mistake

[Unregisteredenoughben]

Ben Enough Already! Its Time To Tuck Stevie Into Bed With Mommy..stop Trying To Pit The Cops Against The Pba And Stop Making Excuses For A Call-out Mess Up..plain And Simple. You And Stevie Make Barnie Franks And Pelosi Look Like The Smartest People In Government. When Will Losers Like You Ever Learn? Levy Is A Racist..once Again A Latino Is Disgraced By Laying In The Street A Few Extra Hours While You Save A Few Bucks..maybe You Would Like To Comment On This To Newsday? Is It Worth Page 2 Or 3 Coverage? Remember The Foot In Mouth Medicine You Will Need When Addressing Minority Or Hispanic Affairs Steve!

[Unregistered523451]

Point is.... A dept. keeps people on stand by for this reason. Otherwise they're off duty. No different then I'm off now. If I get called for OT I'll prob. turn it down for a bunch of reasons tired, watching tv, with Family, or just having a beer. If I'm on "Stand Bye". I'm ready to go and go in within an hour if called. Pretty simple. They wanted to roll the dice so they rolled them. Thats what happens in vegas.

[source=imagination]

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About the Call Out. I am not a cop, nor was I ever a cop in the SCPD. If I am assuming correctly that the above poster is a SCPD cop, I will still tell you that either you are lying, mistaken, given bad information, and my information not knowing who and what you are does not come from a better source than mine. I know my source isn't lying or mistaken and that information came from some one that had to know. Now either the person that told my source is a liar or mistaken, then I have to believe what I heard is true.
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so tell me, what is the new protocol? Where does it start? Normally the call goes from the pct dispatcher to the duty officer in hq who would check the list of available detectives on the standby roster.
Now what? There is no list. Are we to believe the duty officer has a list of the homicide detectives home phone numbers? And how did the d.o. determine who to call? There wasnt an overtime sign up sheet, so how exactly did it go?
Please explain, go ask your source

[let it be true!!!]

I THINK u are wrong about what Levy did was to save money. He did it to screw with you and force you into a mistake. As far as I am concerned that is exactly what detectives did by not picking up the phone.

Are you kidding? Levy took away standby with the intent to screw us? Levy purposely left the county without a means of investigating a homicide or other serious crime after hours to do a little union busting? Levy removed the procedure of contacting detectives and failed to replace it with an effective system to make bad pr for his police dept?
I hope you are kidding. If this is true Levy has committed a slew of labor law violations, betrayed the trust of the public and acted criminally, he probably interfered with a homicide investigation.
Look I understand, this is a great place for arrogant boobs like yourself to teetsee fly scpd...that is try to get under our skin, but try to understand, while no doubt you have a degree of schooling(all words spelled correctly, decent grammar) you arent all that intelligent.

[Unregisteredooo]

Penny Wise and Dollar Foolish! Levy and Dickie are just trying to do everything on the cheap.... and screw over the cops... but it's not saving a dime! And the public, quality investigations, and human decency (leaving a dead young man in the middle of the road for 8 hours) are suffering!

They could fire Shannon and save a bundle since the guy is invisible and useless! And since he's one of the "apparent" police professionals that's involved in all these dummy moves we'd kill two birds with one stone! That would also create enough savings to place detectives on standby for the situations we're talking about!

Since Stevie is calling the shots and Dickie is not really "running" anything why does he need a deputy commissioner? For that matter... we could eliminate a few chiefs as well... since they're police training, education, and experience are not being used to run this department anyway!

Think about it... you could eliminate half the brass in HQ... and things couldn't get much worse!!!!

[levysdone]

Are you kidding? Levy took away standby with the intent to screw us? Levy purposely left the county without a means of investigating a homicide or other serious crime after hours to do a little union busting? Levy removed the procedure of contacting detectives and failed to replace it with an effective system to make bad pr for his police dept?
I hope you are kidding. If this is true Levy has committed a slew of labor law violations, betrayed the trust of the public and acted criminally, he probably interfered with a homicide investigation.
Look I understand, this is a great place for arrogant boobs like yourself to teetsee fly scpd...that is try to get under our skin, but try to understand, while no doubt you have a degree of schooling(all words spelled correctly, decent grammar) you arent all that intelligent.

something like this can only hurt levy. the public may not care for us. they may hate us. so what does this do? make them hate us more?
for levy to do this intentionally or by sheer incompetence only hurts him. more fuel for his adversaries both local and upstate. his cronies can spin this however they want. posters here can claim its the fault of a singular detective who didnt answer his phone. the democratic party, the state senate, the various leaders know the truth. levy is the captain of the ship. he likes to portray himself as tough on crime, a friend to the street cop, fair, and fighting for the taxpayer.
all of this was exposed the night the body of a person laid in the gutter of the taxpayers for hours.

[UnregisteredCLEAR]

unless your source has the order in hand and showed you, you are mistaken, lying, or were lied to, or had info misrepresented to you, or your source didnt know what they hell they were reading, hearing, seeing etc. Is your source the chief that was in the staff meeting that wrote the order??
If not, just stop with the he said that they said that he saw and said-s, its a mistake

I said my source is impeccable. That doesn't mean he hasn't been lied to. If he has been lied to - stay tuned on that one.

By the way a known source high up in the chain of command told someone I know well that there was a video tape of Tankleff confessing. Tells the guy that the reason why they couldn't use it because it wouldn't pass muster in the courtroom. This nut job at HQ, whose rank and position is known said he personally saw the tape. BULLSHIT.

If you read my post carefully you would have seen I allowed for a lie coming out of Yaphank.

[UnregisteredGUILTYAS]

Are you kidding? Levy took away standby with the intent to screw us? Levy purposely left the county without a means of investigating a homicide or other serious crime after hours to do a little union busting? Levy removed the procedure of contacting detectives and failed to replace it with an effective system to make bad pr for his police dept?
I hope you are kidding. If this is true Levy has committed a slew of labor law violations, betrayed the trust of the public and acted criminally, he probably interfered with a homicide investigation.
Look I understand, this is a great place for arrogant boobs like yourself to teetsee fly scpd...that is try to get under our skin, but try to understand, while no doubt you have a degree of schooling(all words spelled correctly, decent grammar) you arent all that intelligent.

I am not that intelligent - guilty. BUT what is your problem with my opening statement? It tends to support what the cops are saying about Levy. You know how I feel in general about SOME SCPD. Your post seems to confirm my opening remarks about Levy screwing with you.

Maybe Levy actually believed that there are still people in the SCPD that are professionals and would do what they had to do.

[Unregisteredsourced]

I said my source is impeccable. That doesn't mean he hasn't been lied to. If he has been lied to - stay tuned on that one.

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so tell me, what is the new protocol? Where does it start? Normally the call goes from the pct dispatcher to the duty officer in hq who would check the list of available detectives on the standby roster.
Now what? There is no list. Are we to believe the duty officer has a list of the homicide detectives home phone numbers? And how did the d.o. determine who to call? There wasnt an overtime sign up sheet, so how exactly did it go?
Please explain, go ask your source

no reply to this huh?

[UnregisteredLevy&Koch]

something like this can only hurt levy. the public may not care for us. they may hate us. so what does this do? make them hate us more?
for levy to do this intentionally or by sheer incompetence only hurts him. more fuel for his adversaries both local and upstate. his cronies can spin this however they want. posters here can claim its the fault of a singular detective who didnt answer his phone. the democratic party, the state senate, the various leaders know the truth. levy is the captain of the ship. he likes to portray himself as tough on crime, a friend to the street cop, fair, and fighting for the taxpayer.
all of this was exposed the night the body of a person laid in the gutter of the taxpayers for hours.

Koch once said if a bird dies in Central Park, he gets the blame.

Whatever Levy does, or doesn't do, or his subordinates do or don't do, and all the way down to the guy that replaces the toilet paper rolls in the bathroom, will ultimately reflect on the CE. FLASH! That is has been of greater benefit to SCPD than it has been for any CE, including LEVY.

What Levy understands is that the police department stands at the very top of the public's view of County government. That is what has been protecting SCPD from scandal all these years. Put the CE in a position that he has more to fear from the cops and he will try to eliminate any power you may still have.

[UnregisteredWHOCARES]

no reply to this huh?

I don't pretend to know the protocols of SCPD. The only question that needs answering is: Did anyone attempt to call out detectives, and what happened after that.

Let me ask you a question. When the Tankleff homicide happened was there a call out sheet with McCready's name on it? No one has been able to produce such a list. The fact is that no one will confirm or deny he was even on duty for that tour.

[UnregisteredIDO]

I don't pretend to know the protocols of SCPD. The only question that needs answering is: Did anyone attempt to call out detectives, and what happened after that.



Well you are claiming there was phone calls made, but cant tell the readers how did the duty officer come about getting the home phones to the detectives.
go ask your source. If he cant answer this it shuts the door on it.

[levy+levy]

Koch once said if a bird dies in Central Park, he gets the blame.

Whatever Levy does, or doesn't do, or his subordinates do or don't do, and all the way down to the guy that replaces the toilet paper rolls in the bathroom, will ultimately reflect on the CE. FLASH! That is has been of greater benefit to SCPD than it has been for any CE, including LEVY.

What Levy understands is that the police department stands at the very top of the public's view of County government. That is what has been protecting SCPD from scandal all these years. Put the CE in a position that he has more to fear from the cops and he will try to eliminate any power you may still have.

However in this case, levy can be directly linked to the order. Its not a subordinate screwing a coworker ontheir lunch break, or a friend taking bribes. Its an order that affected the county, and its taxpayers greatly.

[Unregohboy]

I don't pretend to know the protocols of SCPD. The only question that needs answering is: Did anyone attempt to call out detectives, and what happened after that.

Let me ask you a question. When the Tankleff homicide happened was there a call out sheet with McCready's name on it? No one has been able to produce such a list. The fact is that no one will confirm or deny he was even on duty for that tour.

Ok. The Police Dept. IS a quasi-military organization. The Police Department personnel are expected to OBEY orders, and this was a department order withdrawing call out/stand-by, why would anyone want to disobey an order and face departmental charges? Especially when it is going AGAINST an order directed by HQ, The Commissioners office, and indirectly the C.E.? I can tell you THAT chopping block would not have had any volunteers.

BTW. Cant we get past the Tankleff homicide? It occurred over what, 20 years ago? McCready has been long since gone from the department, and this investigation has been beaten to death, by both the courts, the department, and the federal government. Lets move to the present date.

[UnregisteredSURE]

Ok. The Police Dept. IS a quasi-military organization. The Police Department personnel are expected to OBEY orders, and this was a department order withdrawing call out/stand-by, why would anyone want to disobey an order and face departmental charges? Especially when it is going AGAINST an order directed by HQ, The Commissioners office, and indirectly the C.E.? I can tell you THAT chopping block would not have had any volunteers.

BTW. Cant we get past the Tankleff homicide? It occurred over what, 20 years ago? McCready has been long since gone from the department, and this investigation has been beaten to death, by both the courts, the department, and the federal government. Lets move to the present date.

BUT HISTORY TENDS TO REPEAT ITSELF.

There was another case in another part of the country that received a lot of public attention. The Tankleff Case is like a footnote to that case in terms of publicity, etc.,

The facts are: two people were killed and one was the wife of a well known celebrity. Two detectives of the local area were dispatched to the scene. when they were notified they both knew that within hours they would be removed from the case and The Big Guys would be brought in.

They went there anyway and did their job to the best of their ability. That phone call came an hour or so later notifying them another unit would take over the case. Did they resume their work at this horrific crime scene while wating for the new detectives to arrive? Nah, they went out into the street and bitched with each other for almost an hour and a half. Not my words, but the words of one of those detectives.

Now the Big Guys show up and they aren't so proud as to not ask the other two detectives to hang around and help. Oh, dear, we still have a piece of the case even though our names are not going to be put on the lights at Hollywood and Vine. So the detective decides that before he goes he needs to go back to the place the bodies were to take a last look. He could care less for the hour and one half he spent bitching and moaning while two bodies were lain buthchered on a walkway in a development.

Good thing the Big Guys asked asked the angry one to tag along. Had they not asked, that detective wouldn't have been around to take a walk thru the grounds of the suspect and find a glove behind a house, in the semi-darkness, and in a pile of leaves.

Save your bullshit for the less informed.

[Unregconfused?]

Any how does this apply? Tankleff and now? Watch News12 and read Newsday. In regard to the Brentwood homicide, 3 subjects were arrested and as it was reported they were arraigned this morning in FDC. Not only did Homicide Detectives DO THEIR JOB but did it well. This case closed expeditiously AND they cleared a shooting of a 13 year old boy playing basketball in Timberline Park in June, AND cleared another homicide in Central Islip from May.
As far as the past repeating itself, this ain't it. Doesn't even come close to ANY of the details. Step back from the B.S. and come into the light.

[UnregAREYOU???]

BUT HISTORY TENDS TO REPEAT ITSELF.

There was another case in another part of the country that received a lot of public attention. The Tankleff Case is like a footnote to that case in terms of publicity, etc.,

The facts are: two people were killed and one was the wife of a well known celebrity. Two detectives of the local area were dispatched to the scene. when they were notified they both knew that within hours they would be removed from the case and The Big Guys would be brought in.

They went there anyway and did their job to the best of their ability. That phone call came an hour or so later notifying them another unit would take over the case. Did they resume their work at this horrific crime scene while wating for the new detectives to arrive? Nah, they went out into the street and bitched with each other for almost an hour and a half. Not my words, but the words of one of those detectives.

Now the Big Guys show up and they aren't so proud as to not ask the other two detectives to hang around and help. Oh, dear, we still have a piece of the case even though our names are not going to be put on the lights at Hollywood and Vine. So the detective decides that before he goes he needs to go back to the place the bodies were to take a last look. He could care less for the hour and one half he spent bitching and moaning while two bodies were lain buthchered on a walkway in a development.

Good thing the Big Guys asked asked the angry one to tag along. Had they not asked, that detective wouldn't have been around to take a walk thru the grounds of the suspect and find a glove behind a house, in the semi-darkness, and in a pile of leaves.

Save your bullshit for the less informed.


IS THIS pushed out ex-LT RAY SMITH??????
Shouldn't you stop playing with computers????

[Ralphie Boy]

This guy is some piece of work. He's got sources, he knows people, he knows what the detectives are thinking before they do... Will this bullshit ever end?
The Tankliff Case, the OJ case, history repeats...
I'll tell you what, my source talked to your source and your source told my source that you are an azzhole.

[UnregisteredSAUCES]

This guy is some piece of work. He's got sources, he knows people, he knows what the detectives are thinking before they do... Will this bullshit ever end?
The Tankliff Case, the OJ case, history repeats...
I'll tell you what, my source talked to your source and your source told my source that you are an azzhole.

SO SAID YOUR MY SOURCE ABOUT YOUR SOURCE.

[Unregisteredwell???]

Well you are claiming there was phone calls made, but cant tell the readers how did the duty officer come about getting the home phones to the detectives.
go ask your source. If he cant answer this it shuts the door on it.

still no answer. homicide was called out by whom? who had the phone numbers of homicide? where are they in hq dispatch room? your source seems to know so much lets hear it?

[Unregistered3rdpctsgt]

I don't pretend to know the protocols of SCPD. The only question that needs answering is: Did anyone attempt to call out detectives, and what happened after that.

Let me ask you a question. When the Tankleff homicide happened was there a call out sheet with McCready's name on it? No one has been able to produce such a list. The fact is that no one will confirm or deny he was even on duty for that tour.

Two homicide sergeants arrived within an hour. They had to be notified someway, and also they shoud've aided in the call out.

[provemewrong]

Two homicide sergeants arrived within an hour. They had to be notified someway, and also they shoud've aided in the call out.

Prior to july 13, one boss would turn out. Now there are two. hmmmm
and there was no call out. there is no standing policy for a detective response after 0100 hours in the rules and procedures.
The county was content to have bosses on scene and no id section, and the body to sit until 0900

[Unregisteredpoop]

Prior to july 13, one boss would turn out. Now there are two. hmmmm
and there was no call out. there is no standing policy for a detective response after 0100 hours in the rules and procedures.
The county was content to have bosses on scene and no id section, and the body to sit until 0900

h.lee is silent

[Call Who]

Two homicide sergeants arrived within an hour. They had to be notified someway, and also they shoud've aided in the call out.

Aided in calling WHO? There is no longer a call out list. There are no longer any detectives waiting to be called in to handle any criminal investigations. Levy and Dormer didn't think that it was important enough to have a call out list anymore. Direct any and all complaints regarding this appalling lack of a coherent policy to Commisioner Dormer and to County Executive Levy. I understand that you may also attend the legislative public safety committee hearing coming soon and voice your complaints there. Maybe it would result of re-instatement of the old policy which worked efficiently and well for so many years.

[Unregheresinfo]

. I understand that you may also attend the legislative public safety committee hearing coming soon and voice your complaints there. Maybe it would result of re-instatement of the old policy which worked efficiently and well for so many years.[/QUOTE]

Thursday, July 30, 2009 at 0900 hrs. Suffolk County Legislature Public Safety Committee at William H. Rogers, Legislature Building, 725 Veterans Memorial Highway, Hauppauge, New York 11787.

[Unregisteredeww]

Aided in calling WHO? There is no longer a call out list. There are no longer any detectives waiting to be called in to handle any criminal investigations. Levy and Dormer didn't think that it was important enough to have a call out list anymore. Direct any and all complaints regarding this appalling lack of a coherent policy to Commisioner Dormer and to County Executive Levy. I understand that you may also attend the legislative public safety committee hearing coming soon and voice your complaints there. Maybe it would result of re-instatement of the old policy which worked efficiently and well for so many years.

policy is still in effect, no changes as of yet.

[Unregisteredthesgts]

Two homicide sergeants arrived within an hour. They had to be notified someway, and also they shoud've aided in the call out.

they dont get standby pay, and have a county cell phone.
to aid in calling out would mean going to hq and looking at the alpha list for numbers....as opposed to going to the scene.

[Unregistered Done]

[QUOTE=let it be true!!!;295942]Are you kidding? Levy took away standby with the intent to screw us? Levy purposely left the county without a means of investigating a homicide or other serious crime after hours to do a little union busting? Levy removed the procedure of contacting detectives and failed to replace it with an effective system to make bad pr for his police dept?
I hope you are kidding. If this is true Levy has committed a slew of labor law violations, betrayed the trust of the public and acted criminally, he probably interfered with a homicide investigation.
Look I understand, this is a great place for arrogant boobs like yourself to teetsee fly scpd...that is try to get under our skin, but try to understand, while no doubt you have a degree of schooling.

Read this
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/body-on-street-triggers-bad-suffolk-police-bickering-1.1316123. Steve Levy signed a agreement with the SDA who is the detective union that if you lag 10 days pay I will not demote any probationary detectives and would restore the overtime budget. So Steve makes the commish cut standby (overtime which = 2 hours pay). They say that 2 Detective Sgts were on the scene he does not tell you everytime a SGT or above gets a phone call off duty they get 1 1/2 hours pay how many phone calls did you think they made that night to boss's when they could not get homicide detectives, a least 2 for the boss's that came and I bet they called there boss who called there boss about what was happening, so all the county saved was 1/2 hour because the first boss would have been called(1/1/2 hrs) and the detective on standby (2 hrs which = 3 1/2 hrs) compared to 3hrs for the 2 phone calls to boss's. This shows that Steve Levy only cares about destroying the department and going back on a signed agreement hope this gets all brought up this Thursday at the Saftey meeting.

[Unregisteredxoxo]

inconvient truth