plug your own number in

[Truthsayer]

Be honest... and justify your position

How much should a teacher make with a master's degree and 4 years experience?

How about 8 years?

How about 15 years?

Description of teacher, well liked by parents and the community, always there when needed, challenges the kids, students always do very well ( top5%) on state tests, donates time whenever needed.

Benefits:Contributes 20% to health insurance, has no dental or optical insurance. Member of Teacher's retirement system and pays 3% of salary into the system now and for 6 more years.

I more thing... wants to buy a house in Nassau County.

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[common sense]

I WISH YOU WOULD STOP. I KEPT CRYING. THIS IS TOTAL BULL S... WHY DON'T YOU ADD, THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THE CHILDREN.

YOU MUST BE A TEACHER OR A LACKEY OF THE PTA OR ED ESTABLISHMENT. THE QUESTION IS, "HOW MUCH CAN I PAY TO AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN NASSAU????

THE PAY AND BENEFITS WITH TENURE ARE OUTSTANDING. WHAT OTHER JOB GETS TENURE???? WHAT OTHER JOB GIVES YOU OFF DURING THE SUMMER AND FOR WINTER & SPRING BREAKS???

STOP WHINNING. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE JOB, QUIT. YOU WILL HELP SAVE THE TAXPAYERS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
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[Truthsayer]

Please stop ranting and answer the question.
How much?

It's not that hard to do..
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[common sense]

Who's truth?

I would think that $50,000 is appropriate. This is the average salary for everyone else residing in Nassau County. Why should you get more?
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[Underdog]

Didn't Thomas Payne write that? I wonder if he got $50,000 for it.I wonder if half of our American History teachers on the island know who Thomas Payne was?

[Adjunct]

$50,000.00 - $75,000.00 per year plus bennies.

The key to good financial management of faculty is to keep an even mix of new (low cost), experienced (medium cost) and retiring teachers (high cost).

[Truthsayer]

50,000 seems like a decent number...

Too bad as a teacher I am making less than that and I have too take money out of my pocket for supplies.

How many employees in Nassau County pay for their own office supplies? How many employees in Nassau County who must work for 4 months at absolutely no pay ( while paying for the privilage),obtain NYS certification via tests, degrees and evaluations of their work, all with no gaurantee of a job make more than teachers.


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[whocares]

How many people make $50,000 or less for 185 days of work? Even at $35,000 if you prorate that you are at $70,000 per annum. How many people have their pension benefits guaranteed by the state, unlike our 401k plans that lose thousands, with no state bail out of increasing trs premiums and passing that increase to the local taxpayers. You also get a tax deduction for all supplies purchased (which by the way, I find it intolerable that teachers have to purchase supplies on their own that should already be in the classrooms, so I agree with you here). So if you want to complain, quit, come to work in the private sector where at the salary ranges that you currently enjoy if you prorate per annum usually require degrees, and some industries require state licenses, and even internships as well, such as nurses, physical therapists etc. where there are no guarantees or tenure.

[common sense]

Yeah, I guess you are right. I do have a cushy job, summers off, 9-3, decent salary.

I just wonder why I can't afford to live on LI, why I'm taking 2-3 hours of work home everyday, battling my 5th cold this winter so far that I caught from my students, paying for supplies out of my own pocket, working a second job, going into my class mid August on my time to make sure my class is ready, attending conferences to improve my teaching skills, meeting with parents early in the AM or after school ( which is my time)?

Don't get me wrong... I still love my job. It's a shame I may have to leave it to make more money to survive here.

BTW- I was making more before I was teaching.
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[whocares]

My point is this, there is good and bad in any profession, these are the choices we make, and I just get annoyed when people complain how bad they have it, when you can easily look around in our neighborhoods and see people who really have it bad, i adopted a family this past holiday season who had a single mom, 3 kids, and she didnt have enough money to keep the electric on. Now if that doesn't put it into perspective for you I don't know what will, appreciate what you have, improve the things that you don't like if you can, if not roll with the punches and count your blessings, because there are way too many people who don't have the ability or resources to even come online to post their complaints. Try to view life from a half full glass perspective, because I'm sure if you look, and you probably don't have to look far, you don't have it so bad.

[common sense]

I am the real common sense. 50K is more than enough. Stop whinning.

Please review the budgets of any LI school district and you will see salaries from the low 40's to over 200K. Get real. If this continues to go on, how can anyone effort to live here.
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[hoiii]

why is it ok for a teacher to make 100k plus a year getting off holidays and w/e and snow days and a cop working all those takes home around 100k after all the ot and you peopel have a problem with it


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[FACT COUNSELOR]

FACTS OF LIFE FOR LONG ISLAND TAXPAYERS:
(teachers included)
Fact Number One:
Your property tax is not now, nor has it ever been
BASED ON YOUR ABILITY TO PAY. If it was, then it would have to be called an INCOME TAX.

Fact Number Two:
Your property tax is based on the FULL MARKET VALUE of your home, whether it's a cheesy McMansion or a hunnerd-year old farmhouse or whatever.

Fact Number Two-point-one:
Your home's FULL MARKET VALUE is based on location, condition, and the wonderfull quality of your school district. And of course whichever shore you want to associate with (blue collar types on the South Shore, white collar types on the North Shore, etc.) can add or subtract a little.

Fact Number Three:
The largest public good that your community can have is your school district, BUT IT TAKES WORK. Now, it's nice to try and balance the budget by giving teachers a $50K salary, but do you know that the median income on Long Island is $85K? That means 50% of Long Islanders make MORE than that!

So those teachers mentioned above can't pro-rate their salary over twelve months, because they DONT GET PAID during their summertime. Ten months salary is ten months salary, period. Well, actually the summertime months usually involve a job or two, but never enough to reach the median income.

So what do I think? Well, CONSOLIDATING just might possibly help - do we really need 62 diferent districts on LI? I'd love it if we just "experimented" with it for five years - bet nobody would go back to our current mess.

And what if we based the school tax on income? This would help senoirs and singles, and if there was a poor district (say Wyndanch or Rosevelt), well hello NY State Education Dep't. to get in there and fix it on Albany's dime (which I know is our dime minus interest).

So stick to the facts and have a nice day.

[experienced]

this is all very interesting, but li housing is expensive because it has a limited supply and a high demand; additionally, it is unlikely that supply will ever out-strip demand since an island has very limited space -- in fact, nassau is basically full, as is western suffolk. when people stop buying, prices will come down.

as for school taxes, if nys would pay for what it requires school districts to do, then your property taxes would almost disappear; of course, income taxes would go up, but not anywhere close to your property tax savings because the costs would be spread over a much larger base. additionally, the state should negaotiate saleries with all bargaining units, including the teachers, to set a fair and reasonable salary level, properly adjusted by region. this way, the only things your property taxes would pay for would be sports and some electives.

[county salaries]

all this yapping about teachers salaries at least they work and they have your kids all day what about salaries on suozzis patronage pay roll of 6 figures and they dont do anything for you and then go home to queens and he raised taxes 20% one year and equivalent of 20% again for property tax rate increases on top of reassessment. school tax would be affordable if suozzi tax wasnot so outrageous

[Factual Counseler?]

FACTS OF LIFE FOR LONG ISLAND TAXPAYERS:
(teachers included)
Fact Number One:
Your property tax is not now, nor has it ever been
BASED ON YOUR ABILITY TO PAY. If it was, then it would have to be called an INCOME TAX.

Fact Number Two:
Your property tax is based on the FULL MARKET VALUE of your home, whether it's a cheesy McMansion or a hunnerd-year old farmhouse or whatever.

Not really. It's based on what the township thinks it's full market value is. The market value formula is adjusted every year for each taxable property equally, but the FACT is, not all homes in all areas increase in value on an equal proportion to each other, every year.


Fact Number Two-point-one:
Your home's FULL MARKET VALUE is based on location, condition, and the wonderfull quality of your school district. And of course whichever shore you want to associate with (blue collar types on the South Shore, white collar types on the North Shore, etc.) can add or subtract a little.



Again, not true. The town thinks my home is about equal to the home next door. Both built in 1971. Both the same model, same sq. ft, etc. But I've since installed oak floors. Anderson windows. Marble and granite bathrooms. A custom maple kitchen. About 20,000 worth of beautiful specimin landscaping.

Other homes in my neighborhood, also similarly taxed, have done the same or similar improvements and renovations. This has caused the value of my home and the surrounding homes to increase, (and the corresponding taxes) including the homes which have not altered a single item inside or outside since they were built.


Fact Number Three:
The largest public good that your community can have is your school district, BUT IT TAKES WORK. Now, it's nice to try and balance the budget by giving teachers a $50K salary, but do you know that the median income on Long Island is $85K? That means 50% of Long Islanders make MORE than that!

Let's expose the REAL truth! Back in the 60's, when it was most likely only ONE adult worked a full time job, the median income of homeowners and the medium income of public servants were figured.

85k is the median FAMILY income on Long Island, not the median individual income. And yet, Teachers (and police) CONTINUE to compare their INDIVIDUAL salary to the average HOUSEHOLD (which is now 2-full time adult workers, not one) salary. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now you can better understand why taxpayers complain that teachers (and police) are paid too much. They're not imagining it, it's true. The compensation packages negotiated for public servants, individual compensation packages, is based on a lie - that lie being that everyone around here makes that much.



So those teachers mentioned above can't pro-rate their salary over twelve months, because they DONT GET PAID during their summertime. Ten months salary is ten months salary, period. Well, actually the summertime months usually involve a job or two, but never enough to reach the median income.



Never enough to reach the median HOUSEHOLD income you mean. But your comparison is flawed, as ONE teacher does not a HOUSEHOLD make. One teacher's income certianly DOES meet, in fact exceeds the median INDIVIDUAL income on long Island.

It's apparent you think Long Islands largest employers are paying all their employees salaries similar to what teachers are making. Do you really think Waldbaums, King Kullen, and Home Depot, Chase Bank, Computer Associates, BAE Systems, Sears, Stop & Shop, UPS and Newsday are actually paying an average 85,000.00 per employee, PLUS benefits?


So what do I think? Well, CONSOLIDATING just might possibly help - do we really need 62 diferent districts on LI? I'd love it if we just "experimented" with it for five years - bet nobody would go back to our current mess.



That's a start, but only if, as when 2 similar businesses merge, a lot of duplicative services could be eliminated. That would only apply to department heads and those whose jobs are solely to form and analyze cirriculium. If a minimum class size is maintained, you're not going to eliminate many, possibly any teaching positions.


And what if we based the school tax on income? This would help senoirs and singles, and if there was a poor district (say Wyndanch or Rosevelt), well hello NY State Education Dep't. to get in there and fix it on Albany's dime (which I know is our dime minus interest).

So stick to the facts and have a nice day.

I'm all for sticking with, and to, the facts. But ALL the facts, not just the ones the teachers want us to know, and not lacking or witholding facts they'd rather we didn't know.

[FACT SUPPLY WAREHOUSE]

Ok, you did a good job of "Limbaughing" here, but let's see if we can converse us back into reality...

You said, "what the township thinks it's full market value is"
is what your assessment is based upon?

Look, there may very well be ONE real estate office named "Township" somehwere on this Island, but all the townships care about is their life-blood, and that's TAX collecting, pal! The "free-market" rules when real estate agents are involved almost as strongly as on Wall Street (in Manhattan, I mean).

Then you said, "This has caused the value of my home and the surrounding homes to increase, (and the corresponding taxes) including the homes which have not altered a single item inside or outside since they were built. "

What?? How did anyone's individual improvements INSIDE the houses in your neighborhood MAGICALLY increase the non-improved ones?? What?? You CANNOT expect the outdated home to sell for the same price as your updated one, unless, well, some people buy homes without good advice, now don't they... hmmm...

Then you said, "85k is the median FAMILY income on Long Island, not the median individual income. ...This is like comparing apples to oranges. "

NOPE. 50% is 50% is 50% is 50% is 50% (you see the mathematical progression here?) MEDIAN income is not the AVAERAGE or MEAN.

Lets's review...Half LI's make more, and half LI's make less, than the MEDIAN. No fact problem there, maybe just reading comprehension.

Now for your best work - keep reading!

You said, "It's apparent you think Long Islands largest employers are paying all their employees salaries similar to what teachers are making. Do you really think Waldbaums, King Kullen, and Home Depot, Chase Bank, Computer Associates, BAE Systems, Sears, Stop & Shop, UPS and Newsday are actually paying an average 85,000.00 per employee, PLUS benefits?"

Well, pally, according to LI BUSINESS NEWS annual publications, you hit FOUR of 'em right there! (Executive Compensation figures, 2004)

Again, you ACCIDENTALLY mixed up the words AVERAGE and MEDIAN, but I'm letin' it slide because you sound like you'd help us work for CONSOLIDATION in neighboring school districts, which is what we work for here at FSW.

And I'm no teacher - I bombed out of SUNY's teacher training in the '70's... just about the time I started paying taxes... hmmmm.....

[look 2005]

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[do math]

go to board meetings look for waste :oops:

integrity

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GREAT RESPONSE !!! I COULDN'T STOP LAUGHING..THANKS. HERE CAN I PLAY TOO :roll: :wink: :oops: :lol: :shock:

I derive extreme amusement from scanning teacher salaries for the school district where I grew up. Nothing warms my heart more than reading about a gym teacher making $115K - especially when I recall that I never saw the man when I had his class (he'd have students run the class and sit in his office).

I congratulate the L.I. teacher unions for obtaining generous benefits for their members - more power to you. However, I think the unions and the boards have lost all perspective when continual 8 - 20% budget increases are proposed each year. Has anyone considered that these $500 - $1,000 average proposed tax hikes each year are just no longer defensible? Pull your heads out of your collective arses and take a breath of fresh air.

Oh - and by the way - congratulations to all scholastic sports programs that were able to solicit sufficient funding when austerity budgets required cutbacks in budget funding for such programs. You have established an operational precedent that will now become a taxpayer mandate.

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