Are your chiefs qualipfied to command you???

[Look I have gold on]

How many chiefs out there actual are required to have any training other then basic fire school or FF 1 and have been a Captain at some point in his career?

I know my department it is not what you know it is who you know and how much smoke you can blow up someone behind.

[xyz]

Ex captain
emt(not cfr)

very popular
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[give me a break]

Now this is a great topic! Lets see what are some of the qualifications in being a Chief. Here in Centre Moriches FD all you have to be a a big mouth drunk, a yes man to the fire district and their employees and of course a never been in a fire, exterior only member.
Forget about having any type of knowledge as it pertains to firefighting, building construction, fire command. All you need to know how to do is put a car key into an ignition switch. If you know the district you are golden!
One day PESH, the state and/or even OSHA may come knocking!
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[Hmmm]

I thought it was center moriches, not centre. OSHA governs non municipalities, private businesses. PESH governs municipal agencies in NYS.
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[Life Member]

Since every department "votes" for their chiefs how can there be any dept. in Nassau or Suffolk that doesn't elect by popularity?

Is he your neighbor? Does he buy me drink? Did he help me build my deck? Is his wife hotter to look at? ... all of them seem to come before his firefighting and ESPECIALLY his leadership abilities.

I remember arguing for a guy in my department to be elected Chief in the coffee room. "He's a pain in the butt", "He's obnoxious", "I can't stand his comments" were some of the things they told me. My argument was I'd trust my life in a building with his leadership in an emergency and his firefighting knowledge and skill.

You don't have to want him over for dinner, just trust him inside the firelines. Don't be like my FD and kick out guys 30 days before they take over the whole department. Examine his leadership, his knowledge and how he reacts under pressure before he makes it all the way up the ladder. Your life may depend on it.

[ridgeff]

well you can tell by the name- Ridge...need i say anymore about the chiefs

[Sketchyguy]

I know in my dept, the chiefs need to have several courses completed from the county in order to run for chief such as incident command.

[EXCHIEF]

1) 5 YEARS IN COMPANY, FF1, JUST TO RUN FOR LT.
(ALSO QUALIFIED CHAUFFER)
2) AFTER LT YOU HAVE 1 YEAR TO TAKE I.C.
3) AFTER CAPT. YOU RUN FOR ASST. CHIEF
THIS SHOULD BRING YOU TO 10 YEARS IN DEPT. THE WHOLE TIME YOU ARE A CLASS "A" FF.
4) ALL THIS TIME AND % AND DRILLS AND NOW C.F.R. MIN.

[CHIEFINTRAINING]

YOU CAN BE CHIEF IF YOU HOW TO SAY " BE ADVISED" JUST LOOK AT THE TERRACE 32

[ssdd]

-be a chief already
-go out drinkin with members 15 years younger than u, while u drive chief's truck
-runover and subsequently kill one of said members
-against all your training, take said seriously injured member to local hospital in chiefs vehicle, instead of stabilizing patient at scene (and thus destroying any crime scene or evidence)
-refuse to answer- questions from dept's insurance company
- stonewall police investigation
- for a period of time have to respond to call by hitching ride on responding apparatus that pass your house (still a chief)
- eventually all is forgiven / forgotten, and u get your vehicl back w/unlimited privileges, and get re-elected.
-all this while still refusing to answer ?? about incident and giving closure to family and members..

[dlb51]

What are your qualifications to determine the ability, or lack there of, the Chiefs' qualifications?
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[Blah]

Wow that was a statement. I can't say all is forgotten, maybe inside the firehouse, although I'm not in MSFD, but everytime I hear that a holes name or when I saw him on N12, I scream. May BA rest in piece, and hope FH's guilt haunts him the rest of his life.:">

[master card]

Make sure the Victim lives in the same neighborhood as the Suffolk D.A.

[Rebuttal]

First off awipe, don't knock a chief for his terms he uses on the radio. next, if you have a problem, grow some balls, knockon the office door and confront him. 32 went thru the ranks, and now deserves his chance run this department. It is s@@t stirrers like yourself who prolong these bs threads. I would look hard at his qualifications, dedication and leadership before you open your pie hole. Any problems you can reply and we can discuss this at the main.

[master card]

Or you can try giving a probie a hummer on a Convention, that usually gets you far.......

[Look Ihave Gold on]

Like one of you said Training???? It's more like the lack there of. I listen to people complain about elected chiefs, but the key word is elected. We are the FF who do all the work, we are the ones that want to go home after a call the same way we got there, "in one piece", But it is also us who elect these knuckle heads. Training and experience are the two most important attributes a person should have when being consider for a fire department or ambulance company officer. The next important is organization and people skills. Obviously we know that there are chiefs out there that have none of these things. So why do they get in office. I think if we had the answer to that question we could save world hunger.

I truly believe that it falls on the commissioners to mandate training requirements for all levels of command, from LT to Chief. That way as a young officer works his way up the ranks he can prepare for the next level, an by the time he is a Captain he should have all he needs to run for chief. The Commissioners also owe it to the tax payers to make sure the district is protected by the best trained and not the best known.

[EXCHIEF]

THE DAY WE LET COMMISSIONERS GET INVOLVED IN THE DEPARTMENT WE ARE TRULY F*CKED. THEIR JOB IS TO PURCHASE WHAT WE NEED AND ALSO PAY THE BILLS.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR SPENDING.
YES THEY ARE ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO SELECT THE CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT. YOU VOTE ON THE ELECTING THEY TECHNICALLY SELECT THE CHIEF. THE LESS THEY GET INVOLVED WITH THE DEPT THE BETTER

[The problem is]

One of the main problems with the election of chiefs are the people who are voting. You go to a working fire with the same ten to twenty people every time. Yet the chief in my department recieved 73 of the 86 votes cast. 86 people voted, these people either do not show up for fires of have moved on from fire fighting due to age. If your nice to the "fire police" your in.

[Life Member]

... with the poster who points to the guys who come out of the wood work and vote on the guy who'll be giving orders to not them, but us.

And to answer another post, yeah all our chiefs have to take and pass those courses, but that doesn't make him a leader or a firefighting genius.

I still say it's more schmoozing and saying the right thing that gets you elected. How many qualified FF's do you know who should be elected, but don't kiss butt or play the game?

[EXCHIEF]

They sure dont have any qualifications in Center Moriches. Unless you are a drunk, a criminal, a yes man, or a big mouth that never got his gear dirty and doesnt have the percentage points!!
Bottom Line - All Outside Blowholes!

[freddie]

Since then I haven't been able to buy gas at a "Hess" Station ever again.

[quals]

back to the original question, my department requires:
captain for one full year
arson recognition
building construction
strategy and tactics
incident command
AED
active firemen for 7 consecutive years
chauffeur on all company apparatus
officers training
LIPA
WMD awareness class
and propbably some others i cant think of right now

[shocked]

hey Q,

what department is that? I might just move there. That is a great list of qualifications. Why is EMT not there, is it bacause there is a community ambulance service in the same town. Who requires these? District or Dept by laws.

Of all of them I LOVE the 7 consecutive rule that weeds out deadbeat life members from making a point.
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[240quals]

That dept. would be Oceanside...

[240]

Dont have to be a chauffer on you rigs to be chief. And dont forget the probie requriments mean your:
First Aid and CPR
Hazmat (awarness level)
Primary and Essentials
SCBA qualified (written and physical test)


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[suffolk fd]

Really? Oceanside. Bring back Albanese!!

[chauffeur]

you do have to be a chauffeur on your rigs to be chief, came up recently

bump

[FormerFOOLof NY]

give it a rest

[A Real CMFF]

Nice Lists of qualifications.

Heres ours at Center Mo:

1. Put in as a write-in by the few department members
2. Approved by the Fire District.

Thats all folks! :lol:

:roll:

[guest5]

:cry:

[hgf]

:lol:

How many chiefs out there actual are required to have any training other then basic fire school or FF 1 and have been a Captain at some point in his career?

I know my department it is not what you know it is who you know and how much smoke you can blow up someone behind.

Qualipfied now thats a good one.

Well in my department in order to run for office, you need to be in the department for at least 5 years. Have taken and passed the officers training course. Have taken and passed the basic fire school. Have attended at least 2 trainings at the Yaphank training center and be a member in good standing for at least 3 years connectively. Then in-order to proceed up the ranks you need to complete at least one year in the previous rank as well as the other things stated. In-order to get to chief (30) you will need to proceed through the ranks of 2nd lt., 1st lt., Capt. 33… and so on. If you are a fast moving officer you can be chief (30) in 11 years, but realistically if you run for office at the 5 year mark it will take you 17 years (counting the 5 years waiting) to become (30). Therefore, by your 17th year you should know your stuff. Other departments also require their officer staff to be EMT’s or maybe now AEMT’s, which is smart when you think that on most ambulance calls you, have at least 2 chiefs on scene. That takes care of your first responder and EMT for the ambulance. (Boy, that would solve many problems). Other departments may require other training so I am not saying this is the way it is with every department. Part of the problem is that the office staff that is being elected is not by what you know but who you know, and if you vote for someone just because they are your friend you will find out quick enough that friends make lousy officers

I think mine are very good, in our department you have to be in for like a zillion years before you can be chief so that has to count for something. Time in should mean experounce which sould count for something.

In some cases there has to be a happy medium or reasonible criteria, other wise by the time a guy makes it to the top spot he could be too old or fully burnt. There really should be a criteria established by possibly the County or Districts to assure mininmum qualifications across the board, but not so stringent that you bury a person for their efforts.

[The Fly on the wall]

Nice Lists of qualifications.

Heres ours at Center Mo:

1. Put in as a write-in by the few department members
2. Approved by the Fire District.

Thats all folks!



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He's in and he's driving a nice new chiefs car and B.s. isn't, is he? Now all they have to do is get rid of hit his wife and run and false report and they will be in good shape.
all these qualification for chief would be good in C.M.F.D except for the fact that none of your boys would get in then. It would take to long to qualify and your guys never last that long.. Schilling is still crying over this and would quit except no other dept wants him either E.M.F.D hates him M.F.D wouldn't have him. So where will he go now. He thinks he's to good to live in mastic or anywhere like that. He could always pack his bags and move out of state and build a house elsewhere right billy boy. You might have to if your wife keeps opening her mouth on the street.

:mrgreen:

[Guest 003]

:idea:

-be a chief already
-go out drinkin with members 15 years younger than u, while u drive chief's truck
-runover and subsequently kill one of said members
-against all your training, take said seriously injured member to local hospital in chiefs vehicle, instead of stabilizing patient at scene (and thus destroying any crime scene or evidence)
-refuse to answer- questions from dept's insurance company
- stonewall police investigation
- for a period of time have to respond to call by hitching ride on responding apparatus that pass your house (still a chief)
- eventually all is forgiven / forgotten, and u get your vehicl back w/unlimited privileges, and get re-elected.
-all this while still refusing to answer ?? about incident and giving closure to family and members..



This again? Holy Crap

In my experience as a FF, any person who has come up for election has been qualified. They have been in the fire service for SEVERAL years and has had experience. They are elected to 33 so they would have other chiefs with years ahead of them and they can learn from them. I have never seen anyone elected as chief after being a new member of 5 years. I would trust that the department members as a whole would NEVER vote for anyne who has no experience. Although some people vote purely on poplularity. Those would be your exterior FF's.

You may not like the person in a personal way but I think that you should trust him in a firematic way.

[Trk1Man]

How many chiefs out there actual are required to have any training other then basic fire school or FF 1 and have been a Captain at some point in his career?

I know my department it is not what you know it is who you know and how much smoke you can blow up someone behind.

Our Chiefs have several qualifications and three of the four are very good, with our 30 goin out next year, the new 33 will be good, again makin it 3/4

[co-1ff]

prime example 5-22-30 kiss my ass bitch see ya on the front lawn or the pump of sven you pussy

UNFORTUNATELY IT has nothing to do with skills and qualifications. its a POPULARITY contest

The word is spelled qualified not qualipfied. Learn to spell first then bash other people. You are a sad excuse for a human.

The word is spelled qualified not qualipfied. Learn to spell first then bash other people. You are a sad excuse for a human.
Actually you seem to be the one in need of further education. What went wrong? Third grade proof reading too much to handle?

The word is spelled qualified not qualipfied. Learn to spell first then bash other people. You are a sad excuse for a human.
Actually you seem to be the one in need of further education. What went wrong? Third grade proof reading too much to handle?

Ok Mr. Spelling Bee but you need to get out of diapers first.

[Guest 11]

Thats a good question, and I would like GHFD to answer that. I heard from a fellow F.F. that his Dept. was voting for someone who in the dept. that has a record for ARSON. So GHFD, why is Jerome Bell running for Chief when he is a ARSONIST ? Why is he a member ? I heard that you guys think that because he has the ADA(Amer.Disa. Act) that he allowed in. ASSHOLES thats for disabilities it doesn't cover someone who commits a crime. You need to check the law of the State and Town of Brookhaven like I did. Hell you are committing a crime yourself. Hell if I lived in Gordon Hts. and I fonded this out, you better believe that Newsday will hear about it. As a matter of fact after all you guys haved been through, don't you think you guys had enough ? Or do you need more problems for the taxpayers to yell about. I know if Herbie hears about htis you can believe he will tell his niece about it to help her case. Hell I think since I want out I know I will tell everyone about it even Newsday. So GHFD lets get it on.

[GUEST1234]

OK, SO HOW CAN A CHIEF BE QUALIFIED TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT WHEN HE HIMSELF IS WALKS RIGHT OFF THE ROOF AT THE FIRE ACADAMEY, AND THEN ANOTHER MEMBER WALKS OFF RIGHT BEHIND HIM???? ISNT THE PARTNER SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM IS IN TROUBLE?? THATS THE POINT OF THE BUDDY SYSTEM. CHIEF WILLIAM XIKIS WOULD BE THE CHIEF I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE.

:)

maybe now that he is a black hat he will do work at the scene instead of taking inappropriate pictures and blasting them all over the internet. i guess he never thought that one day he might be online and see a picture of a dead friend or family member-----thoughtless.....

Are your chiefs qualipfied to command you???

Not that little runt 5-22-33

[guest1234]

maybe now that he is a black hat he will do work at the scene instead of taking inappropriate pictures and blasting them all over the internet. i guess he never thought that one day he might be online and see a picture of a dead friend or family member-----thoughtless.....


this is very true!!!!!!It is simple now that he is a black hat, you will never see him at a scene. WOnder what he will do now that he has to respond with blue lights in that hummer of his, and not red lights / siren!!!!!!

Take pictures of the scene, not the victims. If you are photographing victims, you should not take pic's of the deceassed, that is heartless. Lets get real Xikis. See you at the next alarm???? I bet not!!!!!! hey, watch out for the end of the roof!!

Are your chiefs qualipfied to command you???

Not that little runt 5-22-33

To All of the Chiefs' and Ex-Chiefs' out there, don't you guys really feel proud that this worthless piece of shit now thinks that he is one of you - all of you had better hope that the rest of the world does not really judge you by the company that you keep !!!!!!

OK, SO HOW CAN A CHIEF BE QUALIFIED TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT WHEN HE HIMSELF IS WALKS RIGHT OFF THE ROOF AT THE FIRE ACADAMEY, AND THEN ANOTHER MEMBER WALKS OFF RIGHT BEHIND HIM???? ISNT THE PARTNER SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM IS IN TROUBLE?? THATS THE POINT OF THE BUDDY SYSTEM. CHIEF WILLIAM XIKIS WOULD BE THE CHIEF I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE.

OK, SO HOW CAN A CHIEF BE QUALIFIED TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT WHEN HE HIMSELF IS WALKS RIGHT OFF THE ROOF AT THE FIRE ACADAMEY, AND THEN ANOTHER MEMBER WALKS OFF RIGHT BEHIND HIM???? ISNT THE PARTNER SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM IS IN TROUBLE?? THATS THE POINT OF THE BUDDY SYSTEM. CHIEF WILLIAM XIKIS WOULD BE THE CHIEF I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE.