District Manager needs a TIME - OUT !

[Old Salt]

You didn't say where your firehouse is, but yes it happens all over. These guys get a good job and instead of taking care of the volunteers who give their time to the fire dept. these individuals take some measure of satisfaction in screwing others. While I cant say I condone the amount of "hiding out" that occurs at my firehouse by the cops, LIPA, telephone and cable people - they all get regular breaks. If I were them I would make it a point to go to that very firehouse every time I had a legitimate break, I would stop in and say hi to the District Manager each time, sit for awhile and talk to him about how great your job is, how great your boss is and just how wonderful your entire life has been lately. I would then return to your regular work schedule exactly ten minutes early and document the time you spent there with your supervisor, (by phone - radio - etc.). I would also share your program with any and all who will listen. You may not win with this nut but you will certainly make him pissed off. Good luck, and happy hunting! DHFD -

[Fed Up Fireman]

For about twelve years now the district manager in my Fire District has been attempting to run the firehouses like he owns them. From adding his two cents on every issue that comes before the elected board of Fire Commissioners, to running roughshod over the volunteers, to committing various offenses of the Penal Code while "cutting corners". This guy has a generous salary, a take home vehicle, benefits, and travels around to whatever conventions he wants to go to - with his wife! I'm not sure what this guy has on the Commissioners but it must be something huge! Why else would they put up with all this garbage. The guy is also a huge RAT - whenever anyone stops at the firehouse who is working - a cop, a town employee, a telephone, Lilco or cable guy for a cup of Joe - This moron is on the phone within seconds. He calls the administrative offices of whomever he sees in the parking lot at any time. He then calls back to the offices to follow up on his complaint, thereby forcing the supervisors who get the calls to take some sort of action against the employee. Does this stuff happen all over or just here?
I am tempted to wait for this jerk at the end of a meeting one night and sandbag the bastard. It is very frustrating for anyone who works in the area and stops there.

[cowboy]

that could describe alot of districts around here. most of them are exchief's why still think they wear the white hat

[cowboy]

i meant head swelling. and they not why long day today. great to see the boy's in the heights getting some good compliments. they go on a lot of 24's for ALS ,most dept's can do that if they wanted to . now the only dept around the heights who is not paid is medford amb .

[one of the slaves]

sounds almost like your describing a DM in the 3rd division hmmmmm who could that be now????

[FireFighter]

Sound like there talking about that ex commisioner from saint james who is the manager over at dicks hills

[another vollie]

Hey guys its all over not just the fire depts. Its in the ambulance departments too.. Just asks the folks at wyandanch amb. Their dm is off the hook. She gets involved in everything other than her job. Sounds like she wants to be the chief there. Run the whole show. I dont think any dept should have a dm there 5 sometime 6 days a week 8-12hrs a day. There can not be that much work to do in one day and if there is.... there is always tomorrow.

[watcher]

He doesn't drive a white corvette on district time does he??
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[taxpayerabc]

Could that be the one that uses the firehouse to store that white P.O.S.

[dlb51]

Don't fall for the ole "executive session" BS there are only certain reasons why they can hold an Executive session . :
Here are the rules for an executive session:

Um, wouldn't this exactly cover this?

F. The medical, financial, credit, or employment history of a particular person or corporation, or matters leading to the appointment, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension, dismissal, or removal of a particular person or corporation;

Your discussing his employment history.
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[me]

I THOUGHT STU RETIRED?????
SOUNDS LIKE HE WORKS IN A FEW DISTRICTS NOW.
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Yeah that WWHAC goddess (so she thinks) in always in rare form. She thinks she runs the whole community. I feel sorry for the vollies that have to deal with her on the day to day basis.

She doesn't have a clue. Not one Iota of sense. How she got that job is mystery to me. Anyone know?

[another vollie]

you know how it goes its who you know not what you know.....Hummmm friend of a friend of a friend. Thats the name of the game these days.

[AA]

she gave very good head. its who you blow not who you know

[HAteDMs]

sounds like, MY COUSIN VINNY from the dept near the heights with the constant improprieties by the midget F@#K who takes home a black crown vic as a company car and dances on tables naked and then the COMMISH who is a city civil servant pays off all the customers with district money to shut them all up, to me! F'ing POS I hope he hits a tree one night on his way home drunk driving, as always! And I hope the tree wins and those paid guys arent on duty yet!

[Volly For Life]

I read some of the stuff fed up fireman wrote and it sounds the the halve retarded district manager we have at ________. This guy thinks he is the best thing that ever was. He walks around with his nose in the air barking at the fireman and employers alike. He must have something on the Comisioners though because he is constintly putting in his two cents. I often go to _FD meetings just to see how far over the edge this whack job is allowed to go before one of the commish' lets him know to shut up. He thinks HE runs the fire district, he constantly cuts off and intereupts the comisioners in mid sentence to produce a five minute long talk on the subject. If I ran this place the guy would have to have the boot by now! He gets a good salary, an explorer, a phone, and a sh!tload of perks that go along with the job. So you would think the guy would be a happy man and treat everyone well so as to keep the job right - WRONG! This kind of guy is just a leech sucking on the life blood of all the desent guys and girls who volenteer their time to the efforts of the FD.

SHAME ON ALL THOSE DM's WHO ACT LIKE LITTLE GIRLS AND BOYS NEDDS A TIME OUT TOO!

[another vollie]

Hey V for life sounds like your guy and the one at wyandanch amb are related. She too feels that she is gods gift to the department and if it was not for her nothing would get done. WRONG!! She gets involved in things other than what she was hired for. She thinks she can tell the volenteers what to do. Hummmm I thought in a fire/ambulance department that was the Chiefs or officers job!! The volenteers are crazy if they let her bark orders at them. Tell her to stick it!! She works for the department. The department does not work for the DM.

[USLESSDMs]

Seems that way!!!!!!!!!!
All these posts and they all sound like they are describing the same P.O.S. A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If a DM was barking orders at ANY VOLUNTEER he/she should have been SLUGGED!!!!!!!! No DM has any business even dealing with the volunteers, they answer to the CHIEF of DEPARTMENT ONLY!!!!

And speaking of "Cousin Vinny" and the "City civil servant"....anyone else remodel their home with the district home depot card?????

[LADDER OPS]

i'M A STONY BROOK FF, BUT THIS GUY SOUNDS LIKE THE DM AT SETAUKET. ALL MY FRIENDS OVER THERE SAY HE'S A LITTLE MONSTER. THE GUY ACTUALLY THINKS HE RUNS EVERYTHING OVER THERE, NO KIDDING, AND HE DEFINITELY HAS SOME DIRT ON THE BOYS UPSTAIRS. THIS GUY DRIVES A FIRE DISTRICT OWNED EXPLORER, HAS A CELL PHONE, LAPTOP, ETC. ALL ON THE DISTRICT T!T. I DEALT WITH THE GUY ONCE AND ONCE WAS ENOUGH - CAN YOU SAY PIG HEADED, CONCEITED A$$HOLE? HE SPOKE TO THREE GROWN MEN, (TWO CHIEFS - ALL OF WHOM HAD YEARS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN HIM), LIKE WE WERE CHILDREN. THEN WHEN WE DIDN'T SHOW ANY INTEREST IN WHAT HE HAD TO SAY THE GUY ACTED ALL PISSED OFF.

I GUESS I SHOULD FEEL LUCKY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS GUY ON A DAY TO DAY.

[Islander]

sounds like a DM in Holbrook ?????

[Just Me]

First - if all these District Managers are so screwed up in your firehouses, why don't the people in charge fire them?
Second - Why won't the original person posting this thread come right out and say who the offender is? Is he/she a disgruntled worker? Are all of the people posting here lazy, disgruntled subordinates of the DM's they are complaining about? If not why are so many of these DM acting in this way and why is it something that the bosses put up with? FIRE them and hire those who can administrate your fire departments with expertise AND professionalism.
Third - If the original guy posted the name or at least mentioned which fire department he was talking about, the rest of us could simply stop guessing about the identity.
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[watcher]

1.DM's are hired by the board of fire commissioners. Most get the job because they are related to, a good friend of, or can polish a knob really well. They are the golden child of the BOFC, WHY WOULD THEY FIRE THEM?????

2.Does it matter who the "original" poster was referring to? Obviously there is more than 1 department affected by a useless DM.
"why are so many of these DM acting in this way and why is it something that the bosses put up with?"

This is an unknown, but it seems many DM's get the job then get the I'm GOD mentality(maybe due to being related to the bosses & control of all district functions?)
and believe me they walk around and act like they are GOD!!!

DM's handle all business of the fire DISTRICT ...this includes purchasing equipment for the fire DEPARTMENT,maintenance for vehicles, membership applicants etc. etc.
For this reason as just a firefighter we have to deal with these assinine individuals who expect us to kiss their a$$

"FIRE them and hire those who can administrate your fire departments with expertise AND professionalism."

Again, they are related to,friend of,polishes a knob good to those that would fire them(get it?).

3.Nobody was "guessing", most were stating its not an isolated issue.

Most DM's are too busy running their private business while on district time(like a private security company, RIGHT Cousin Vinny??) to handle district buisness in a timely fashion, like processing new applicants so we can get new members( right Cousin Vinny?) Or to get radios so we can put a NEW fire engine in service.......

Its more important to walk around the firehouse half naked and smoke nasty cigars in a public building (its brand new and the hall outside the DM's office STINKS like a filthy ashtray)than to do any actual work.....RIGHT "MY COUSIN VINNY"???????

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[LADDER OPS]

1. ten times the size? Maybe ten times more screwed up !
2. The board isn't screwed up the DM is, I spoke from personal experience with him - he's an a$$hole.
3. To keep things on the up and up? Are you $hitting me, that guy is up to his waist in everything that goes on over there. If there are improper things going on over there as you say, then he's right in there with them!
4. The only BS stories I hear have come from you so far. I cant wait for your next post, you know the one where you tell me how the Setauket DM reads to blind kids on the side, cooks for meals on wheels, and does odd jobs at the local house of worship.
5. Honestly for you to have taken this so personally you must be either Ron, his wife or fatso Paul.
6. As far as people who have a clue about ladder operations who the hell are you kidding, your ladder truck is at station three, you remember station 3, the one that never gets out for calls with their hugely knowledgeable crew! You guys could be Ladder Ops Einsteins and it wouldn't matter because the truck never rolls off the ramp anyway dirtbag!
7. You also rip on us for an article where we were mis - quoted by the paper about our response area. We don't lie like George and Ronny boy who claimed that the only reason the ladder truck was at station 3 was because it didn't fit in the barn at your main house. Guys at station 3 told me that BS was told to try and convince some idiot taxpayers to vote for your palace to be built.
8. So listen, stop trying to piss on my Department while yours appears to be in shambles. Grow up and face it, the DM is a dope and so are you!

[Spermin Mehrman]

First off, Setauket has it's share of problems, like anybody else. To blame the DM, you must have no clue what goes on around here. Our DM went on the record holding a commisioner accountable for his wrong-doings. No, I am not related to him. I am not his "fat" brother. (pretty lame insult, by the way). Our DM does the best he can, working with an out of control BOFC that tries to do the job of the CHief. Additionally, Station 3 does get out for fires, and I would take our truck guys over anybody in your department, any time! We have some of the best trainined firefighters in Long Island...Not saying we are better then other depts, but up there with the best. Besides training, we actually get experience. Unlike you guys, who get a fire once every 10 years, we have had 6 this year. When not fighting our fires, we also go to Port Jeff, Selden, Centereach, etc. You guys don't normally get 24'd beacuse everybody knows your tactics suck! OPPOSING HANDLINES sound familiar??? Instead of wasting your time on the internet, why don't you go drill with the rest of your inexperienced members on how to strecth hoselines???

[LADDER OPS]

First: Use the spell check option - for god's sake your grammar and spelling need more work than your lame ladder company!

Second: The "fat" brother comment wasn't lame it was nasty, just like the fat brother always is - nasty as hell !

Third: You are a second rate Department and nowhere near the top of the heap. I'm surprised you actually listed your six fires as evidence of your busy fire schedule - dopey bastard. There are Vol. Dept's. in suffolk that get four to six times that many calls. Not to mention if anyone actually listens to your calls the only house getting out is the one off Old Town Rd. by the high school. Those guys are always on the ball, no matter what the call is you always hear them on the air.

Fourth: Stop whining and go to the calls guy -

Lastly: There is no District on Long Island where a commissioner has his hand in the cookie jar and the DM isn't aware of it. Time after time when these things come out and the DM is in it up to his elbows and has crumbs all over himself. You also say the commissioners at setauket are trying to be chiefs, so if that is what you think - go start your own thread about that!

[wet 567]

First: You state that we are second rate dept? if that is true then what the hell would that make you? You are not better then us, we have more, we do more, we are more. Also the districts that are around us like us. not something you can say for yourself with the exception of st. james, but you call them they dont call you i wonder why that is? You guys cry when you see us go through your dist. to go to a centreach fire or when they are comming to one of ours and you guys are just sitting there with your hands on you dicks.

Second: You state that we listed our "six fires as evidence of your busy fire schedule" we never stated we do more fires then everyone, just more then you and when we get fires we get water on it fast and get guys on the roof fast unlike you, remember strathmore gates and the 3 vil inn. again were setauket members of the truck co. (you know that company from station 3 that never roles) were cutting the holes for you, because you guys could not get you ladder out. If you dont we got pictures, you know the ones were we are on the cover of the paper.

Third: You really dont want to start with the whole the fat chief thing, have you looked at yours (sorry 32) or are you one of them.

so in closing get back to training and maybe one day you guys wont be @#%$ dept. and people wont die on you watch.

[another vollie]

hey guys we have gotten away from the topic here. It started out about DM and now its dept against dept. Lets get back to how the DM think they are the best things out there for a dept. How they try to tell the vollies what to do esp when there are no officers around. Keep reminding them that they are employees and they work for us.
The other stuff about whos dept is better come on guys every dept has problems but i hope that if i have to call for help that you will have my back no matter what.

[West End Capt]

Hello all! My name is Bill and I am the Captain of the company that you (Stony Brook Ladder ops) are bashing! Unlike you (a coward) I have stated my identity and you probably know who I am. I was a member of your department, in fact a Captain of your "truck" company. I recently was made aware of this web site, and after reading some of the BS on here, I feel I must get involved. There are a few good people in your department, so I would never say that your entire department "sucks". You, however, have got some inferiority issues and therefore find it necessary to bash other departments. Let's set the record straight:

We (Station 3) are the smallest company in S.F.D., yet we get out as well as any company here. Our guys are well trained, and most are also experienced firefighters. We have a great track record, and our newest members (probies) are constantly praised by the instructors at the Suffolk County Fire Academy, due, in part, to the training they receive here in Setauket.

As I stated previously, I was a member of your department for 9 years. I enjoyed many experiences there and met some good firefighters. But lets be honest...4 square miles, and about 700 calls, mostly EMS. How could you possibly think you get any experience??? We are certainly not the busiest department in Suffolk, that would be Brentwood, Central Islip, Wyandanch, etc. We are, however, 28 square miles (not including Old Field). We have already responded to 1670 alarms (fire and ems) and are first due to the only hi-rises in the area.We cover 85% of the Stony Brook University (despite the quote from your Chief in the paper that you cover the campus). While 6 fires (year to date) might not be a lot compared to Brentwood, its 6 more then you have had in years. When we aren't going on our many, many alarms, we train constantly. Ask your ex-chief (P.G.) that works out at the academy.. I'm sure he will tell you that our probies constantly excel at everything they are asked to do.


I can't possibly fathom how you could possibly put your self on this high horse and start bashing other departments. Calling guys fat is just plain immature. If you want to write things about other departments, then do your homework and make informed statements, not idiotic banter. I have told you who I am, so be a man and either identify yourself, or call me if you have all of these issues with my company. I'm in the phone book.

Stay safe, stay low, and stay out of the way of W.E.T.

I'm Rick James -- BEOTCH!

[West End Capt]

To another vollie-

Amen to that!

[West End Capt]

Oh, and Ladder Ops, how about another, more important subject? The next time you get a working fire, instead of playing politics and mutual aiding departments that are miles away, how about calling for help from your closest neighboring department. We listened to the radio, while you fought a fire (with a fatality) and your ladder truck was out of service. You called St. James (5 miles away) while we had a full crew sitting on the ramp. Eventually, you called us for an engine, but by then the fire had burned itself out. Don't put politics ahead of the lives and property that you are sworn to protect!

[UFM904]

Good Job Bill, very nicely said.
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[westley e truck]

Is somebody from Stony Brook F.D. actually bashing Setauket??? You must either be new, or just plain stupid! If you think that you are a "good" firefighter, I challenge you to join Setauket to see if you can hack it. This seems to be a pattern over the last few years anyway. (Members leaving your department to join ours!) The only two that left us to go to you (J.L. and R.F.) who were yours to begin with, and couldn't make it here. I know some good firefighters at Stony Brook, and I consider them my friends, but for you to say that Stony Brook is better then Setauket only shows your ignorance and arrogance. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to speak with the good firefighters of your department, they would tell you the real facts about this department. Just ask members from Centereach, Port Jeff, Terryville, etc. They will tell you the same thing. Setauket has some of the best trained members in Suffolk County. If, on the rare occasion, you do train or get an actual fire, you can ask the County instructors or Fire Marshals what their opinion is of Setauket. As for us being "the best Fire department"...I would never make that claim, however if I was a member of Stony Brook, I wouldn't put my foot in my mouth by saying I was better then anybody! And remember... WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE BROTHERS!

[sbfdexchief]

having been told about the content of this sight i have decided to read some of the posts and i can only say that it is embarrassing to hear setauket and stonybrook members having the same fight. it is this stupidity that has caused a lot of the strife between our departments now we have gone as far as avoiding each other on 24's. I think that setauket has made the right decision by continuing to call stonybrook but i think it sickening that we call st james for a ladder truck all the time. one of our own members had a fire and we wait for st james to show up while his house burned. Setaukets members are better trained because they do train. and they have the money to do so. and they are more experienced because they go to more alarms. i can admit this because i'm realistic. and i worry about my house and my family so i would 24 whoever is closest.

[wet 567]

thank you for the compliment and as stated not all of your dept is bad just the few that would start with this fire dept. bashing, because there are people that i would trust with my life in your dept.
-be safe e. riedl

[TallManArtical]

Is that you, mini me? I didn't know they let midgets into the truck company...




Just Kidding

Enough is enough, guys and gals...THIS IS A BROTHERHOOD, remember??? Let's have each others backs, instead of stabbing each other in the back!


Remember...

There is only..... 1 TRUCK

[SFD FF 426]

I am not sure if you have been ingesting, smoking, or inhaling some illegal substance, but please stop it! I heard about this thread from guys at our firehouse, came on, read all of it and am quite disgusted. I have been a member here at Setauket FD for almost twenty years. While we are not "elite" or one of the busiest, or one of the best - we VOLUNTEER! I have seen Chiefs, Commissioners, Officers, and yes DM's come and go - but guess what - the firefighters and emts remain. Some of the above listed have been arrogant, self centered and in some cases just plain dumb - BUT, some of the above have been and continue to be the finest individuals I know. So when you sit at your computer and post your anonymous crap, bashing not only the bad but also the good - you cross a line into an area from which you cannot return! I always post with my badge number, which makes it easy to find me if you want to. You are a at best a coward trying to make yourself feel better. Real men don't put others down and talk about themselves, they just do it one day at time and do the best they can. I am not the best firefighter I could be, because I do not have the time to be that, but I try. I guess the old adage about a bad apple in every bunch is true. You are Stony Brooks "bad apple".

[SFD dispatcher]

I can confirm- W.E.T does roll! The truck took 21 gal of Diesel Fuel yesterday! Right Bill?

[UFM904]

that's alot of fuel for a truck "that doesn't roll" I laughed like hell when I heard that.
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[fuel]

Thats because the truck ran idling all day selling
flowers with centereach

[haha]

like to know the last time it was filled up also.
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[selden mom]

You have made a great point. The crap comes and goes but the everyday firefighter, emt's keep on responding to calls perhaps saving a life or someones home. That is the reason a volunteer does it. Someone needs to sweep the politics out of the firehouse.
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[RPFF 243]

sfd ff426 said what needed to be said and now it should be over, lets see if that really happins thouhg. There are lots of politics around the fd's, everybody who doesn't have a life tries to get one there. Everyone in our dept that runs for officer fits a profile - they have no job, a menial job with no power at work, or they are grinding out a living somewhere and gripe about it every day. Any of the guys in our dept that have the good jobs, with benefits and all - they ussually dont run, and if they run they ussually dont stay an officer long because the fd isnt the single biggest thing in there lifes. The best way is to be a good ff and work on being a good family man and provider too. Who really cares if you were a great truck company in fifty years and your living on cat food? Nobody, thats who! So stop fighting and whining about this DM or that chief or this fat guy or this dopey bastid - just let the morons do the fighting and GO HOME to the people who really count. Because when it comes right down to it, I could care less about what anyone thinks of me until I walk into my own house - then I cares a lot. Let the big shots play chief etc etc etc, my kids know who I am and what I look like.

[RPFD 243]

I ment to say - Said it all ! SORRY!

[Old Time FF]

I think you drilled that one home! There are lots of our guys that spend endless hours hanging out in the firehouse and away from there familys. These dopes, all they do is gossip and try to convince everybody how important they are. Most are desent enough but it does take its toll on the family if you dont wach out. We have a few younger members who think they know it all. Sometimes we old timers just have to spank the little twerps so they understand. Well, good posting and Ican enjoyed it.

[jamespjack]

who is the district manager of wydanch ambulance?
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[young selden FF]

What you old timers need to be reminded of is that your old style of firefighter is over. You need to stay home and let us younger members start running the place. All you old farts do is sit around a complain about how the younger or newer members have no respect anymore. Or maybe you will start off the conversation with,"BACK WHEN I WAS A PROBIE'. Who gives a @#%$. All you old timers do is sit in the back of the room, during the Dept meeting and bring up useless points, and make very stupid comments. You will sit and complain " I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FIRE FOR 20 YEARS, AND AN EX-CAPTAIN, I SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED ON TO THE RIT TEAM, TRT, ICE RESCUE TEAM'. Bullshit, just because you used a horse and carriage, with a rope to pull someone out of a hole one day, should not make qualified to be on those teams.
Then there is the old ' I'VE DONE MY TIME'. Well, if that's the case, please do us all the favor of just coming down for the DEPT meeting, company meeting and party's, stuff your face, and shut the @#%$ up.
Maybe, instead of complaining, you should be leading. But i guess thats kind of tough to do with a fork and knife in your hand. Just sit back and milk the LOSAP boys, you have almost earned it.

[Response to wet behind th]

Funny, Paul...Yup it was a lot of fuel...To SFD426 you are right on the money, brother! And to the jack%$# who said we were selling flowers and that's why we needed fuel... Could you be be more of an uninformed moron?

[NOSEHAIR]

I am new to this site and have little computer experience but enjoy the banter back and forth. There are a few silly people on here but most of the people here seem to know what is going on and they speak up. That is always a good thing. I enjoyed what sfdbeer, westly e truck, and west end capt had to say. It is obvious that these people know what's happening. I would give anything to those brave fireman, including their big new firehouse. I'm old and haven't much to offer monetarily or otherwise but if I were a young person I would certainly devote some time to the firemen. I think maybe some of your detractors are probably just scared little rabbits who are afraid to go out and join a group of men such as you. They are scared to death of what you all do for us. I know I can't do these things anymore but if I could I would.
Marge -

[Crainaugh]

The DM in Wyandanch maybe in areas of the op she doesn't belong, but ya know what? Somebody has to be. There is absolutely no one there at the rudder, vollie, career or board member. It's a ship heading for the rocks and she's the only one trying to turn it back. Don't beat up on the only one who's doing ANYTHING. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.
Peace,
Obewan
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[Let the Ass Whoopins Begi]

First - I apologize for anything stupid that the young selden ff said in the above letter. I have been a selden member for a long time, every couple of years we get a new guy in who after only four or five years thinks he knows it all. Then they buy a home somewhere else, move there, join the fd in that town and annoy them. I hope this young buck buys a house in nassau somewhere. sfdbear426 - good call in your letter, I couldn't have said it better myself maybe you should start your own newspaper - I'd buy it!

Once again sorry for the new guys remarks.

Brothers and sisters standing together . . .

[PromptTaxpayer]

I keep reading here how the older guys are pissed that the younger ones think they "know it all" but dont have the sack to stand up at a meeting. What is there to know about fighting a fire? What do you guys mean by "the guy thinks he knows it all"? Do you mean sharing their ideas? Do you mean bucking YOUR system? Please elaborate. Thanks.
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[Twisted]

Well Mr. Taxpayer, I don't know how it is in Selden but where I come from its the same way, with the younger guys thinking they can just do it any way they want and not the way its taught. I guess when we all were young we had a little bit of that in us as well, but not to the extent it is taken today. It?s just that the younger kids coming into the Fire Department are either doing it because someone told them it was cool or to show off to their friends.
I will indeed start this next line with ?Back When I Joined? it was because we wanted to do something to help the community in which we lived and respected, we spent time at the fire house when we were able and if we had the HONOR of making into a leadership role we did so with PRIDE not contempt. These kids think the world owes them a living; well they need to guess again.
The brotherhood within the Fire Department was always a respectful thing, you learned to take care of your problems in-house and never air your dirty laundry in public. The Fire Department was a family that worked together, celebrated every ones accomplishments and mourned every ones loses. These kids can't wait to go spread every little bit of dirt they can, not realizing the department name they are slandering is their own as well. Better yet they don't care if they do it or not.
You ask what there is to know about Fire Fighting and my answer is plenty. Fire has no conscience, just like these kids, it will turn on you in a heartbeat and take every thing in its path if you let it. The fundamentals of firefighting have not changed much over the years but the technology has. The old saying was to put the wet stuff on the red stuff and the fire will go out. The principle of the triangle of fire and eliminating one of the sides and the fire goes out is still basic Fire Science, but most of these kids don't even have the brains they were born with to apply that principle.
Systems are in place to have procedural things take a natural progression and that progression needs to be followed to maintain order. Without order there is confusion and eventually somebody either gets hurt or dies.
I will conclude with there are young bulls and old bulls with the young ones thinking they are invincible and just want to run in without really knowing what is going on, most of them never get the chance to run again. On the other hand the Old Bull sits back sizes up the whole situation and then attacks to overcome the situation at hand.
I don't know how old you are Mr. Taxpayer, but can you tell me which way you think is safer and more effective.

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[PromptTaxpayer]

any other business today when it comes to dealing with these young guys(asside from the risks invloved). Why then is it that FD's recruite these young guys? Or at least put some huge restrictions on them ie, "do what your told and keep your mouth shut or your out"? It seems to me that you would have much more freedom and latitude to treat a volunteer with strict rules like this than any other busness would e able to legally treat a "paid" employee.

Its late. ill sleep on this at look at it again another day.

thanks.
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[Badge129]

The problem is not that a young guy feels that way, the problem is that he brought it to this board, instead of being a man and saying something to the person or persons he has a problem with. Not for nothing there young guys, but I am also young, if your smart, you'll listen to what some of the old guys have to say, you could learn a few things. Don't get me wrong, sometimes it is tough to get things accomplished because they don't want to spend the money. Trust me, I know, but there are ways around it. Believe me, you need the old guys around to teach the younger members (YOU) the history of the dept. Question, you guys put flags at the grave sites of dead firemen and dead soldiers on Memorial Day??? Who do you think knows where these men are buried and can tell you about the men you are doing that for. The stories behind them and what they did for the place you are shitting on. Half the things the FD's have today are because of the old men you talk so poorly about. So just think before you speak and maybe someone MIGHT listen to what you have to say. But when your a probie, shut up and learn your place. Once off, then you can speak up and make your points heard. It doesn't mean you don't have good ideas, its just a respect thing. If you don't understand that maybe you don't belong in the fire service. Be Safe and don't be so god damn catty, thats what the ambulance companies are for.

[Twisted]

I'm glad to see that a negative can turn to a positive or at the very least, this turn into a learning process for our younger FF's. With some of the comments being posted it shows that there are some brighter lights that can and if cultures will shine through.
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[lurker]

Oh Please!

YOu are the biggest manipulating person in the bunch. You don't give a damn about anyone you and yours. That you have made very clear. You instigate situations and then say it's going down hill. Stop pretending you give a @#%$! You want to ride in and save the day because you think that you are freaking superman, supercop, supertech, but really just a superdick. You talk @#%$ about departments and then come work for them. YOu sir are the John Kerry of Rescue and just are FULL OF @#%$!

PEACE!

[Crainaugh]

Hmmm, seems like I don't have you fooled, do I? Thank gawd you're around to set me straight. Give it a rest willya? Me? I'm ancient history. Just gonna do my sidewalk act on the East side of the river and fade into the sunset. Don't waste your hatred, save that energy for doing something useful and positive, like trying to turn this system thing away from the cliff it's headed for. Great presentation last night at the Best Practices conference out in Riverhead by The Holbrook chiefs office on the Ambulance from MARS. Looks like a plan that's working well. Maybe some of us could take a look at it? Somebody is working on solutions instead of just venting spleen. Conference could of been better attended. But we can't complain and whine about how unfair life is to us then, can we?

Stop in for coffee, Junior. We can reason together.
Peace,
Obewan
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[EMS Chief]

MAERMS next meeting at LAkeland FD Oct 7 @ 7:00 pm ALL are welcome.

[Twisted]

At least there is some hope for the younger generation. Remember to keep Learning because someday you will be the Teacher.
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[Islander]

any more dept's getting involved yet?

i'll sign up for lisa's crew

[scFF]

Nicely done Probie!!

Heres a note to the know it alls......

THE DAY YOU DO NOT LEARN SOMETHING NEW IN THE FIRE SERVICE, AT A CALL,TRAINING,ETC, IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD ALSO QUIT!!


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[concerned FF]

In a comment from Sbfdexchief,the exchief should have all his facts before airing his opinion. The fire he is talking about both SBFD ladder and SFD ladder was out of service at the same time. County control had St.James on an automatic 24. I think that we should all grow up and work together and support the volunteers instead of bashing them. We are a select few who are willing to get up and responed 24/7.

[Fd B135]

Yup!

[tothe]

OK

[beside the sea]

ours too:">

[spanky]

Who would do the Commissioners' jobs?

[commissioneres]

you are the guy in the department who always wanted to be chief, but it will never happen. you are the guy who wants to be a comminsh but have no support. go play with the band or with the ladies aux.

[hey loser]

you talk trash. you supposedly know the deal, blow the lid off it. you are the guy at the firehouse who never has seen fire, but have seen it all in your mind. you are the guy that rings the bell when santa comes to town. it is people like you who are lucky they can become a treasure for a rescue company. when you hold some sort of rank, come back and talk, otherwise let daddy play

[LOSER]

please, you spout abuse from the top. you state in a previous post, they have all the power and the perks. either shut up and post your knowledge or stay on your mom's nipple. you talk trash, rebut with nothing. all the commish's I know are hard working men and woman in this community. I know a few fireman who even in their posts, are the top runners in their deartment. so now when you rebut, you can either tell what you think you know, or switch from the right to the left

[loser, loser and loser ag]

how long have you been a member of your department.?

[loser detector]

we figure you either could not get nominated or were not elected. either way, comm's I know put their pride and heart into the department, as for how long I have been a memebr 19 yrs

[LOSER]

sdsdsd

[who is the loser]

I think you should be in your department longer before you question anyone else !!!! The Chief only runs your fire scene. If there is no fire, he has no say. If it was not for the commissioners you would not even have fire equipment!!!!!! You must be one of those members who ran for commissioner and only got 1 vote (your own).
When you grow up and learn the fire service come back and join the crew!

[whatt?]

Yea I agree, then leave.

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[guest5]

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I DISAGREE THE LAW STATES THE CHIEF IS IN CHARGE WHEN ON DUTY ...............................THE CHIEF IS ON DUTY 24 /7 NOT JUST AT FIRES ..............................THE BOARD CAN NOT INTERFER WHILE HE IS COMMAND AT A FIRE................................READ IT 176 STATE CODE , TOWN LAW........................................

[gfd]

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