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[uniform man]

Is this chief from LFD

[mcmello]

I would like to get some input on a new by-law that is trying to get pass in my department.

Brief summary:
As an ex-officer, you may wear the stripes of your last position held and an ex-whatever badge(Lieutenant, ass-chief, etc)....This will include if you take a leave, decided note to run, or got out voted.

My personal feeling is that only chiefs and captain should get to wear their respective stripe and ex badges. This by-law was intended to please a person who never made it to 30, and has failed in his vain attempts in the last plus decade. We voted him out as 31, and now he wants stripe as an ex 31.

[CFD]

There is no such thing as an ex- lieut or an ex-ass. chief.
If you never made it up the ranks to Chief or Captain, deal with it and take your stripes off your uniform.
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[dlb]

Someone going out as 31 is an Ex-Captain, they should learn to deal with it .

[Stop the Egos]

There is no such things as ex's, unless your divorced or a convict. Once you achieve the rank you always have the rank unless you were lawfully removed from the position. Then you have the argument for ex. However, if you successfully served in the position then you have earned the right to wear whatever is appropriate for the position.

The differentiation should be made between active serving and former line officers. We designate active officers by a white hat while the former officers where blue hats. The Chief of Department, and all former Chiefs of Department are permitted to wear their white hats because once a COD, always a COD.

It depends on what your department wants to have, military protocol allows retired personnel to wear full dress on the appropriate occasion. This would only affect department inspections and parades. On-scene operations would still require readily identifiable active line officers to avoid confusion.

Hope I could help.

[truckee]

if they were voted out or removed from a position it was apparently for a reason, in the history of the fire service here theyre was never or shall never be an ex lieu or ex asst chief. thats just the way it is. either a COD 4 life or an ex capt(which like a chief i belive they deserve alot of respect too) or just a plain old joe in the back of the rig. sorry!

[mcmello]

Thanks for the opinions. They are all in line with the majority of my department, except the few cry babies that just didn't make it to COD.

[Truckie]

here's what we have:

Current company officers wear white hats with their officer badges and the silver band on the hat and silver buttons, etc

Current chiefs and asst-chiefs wear white hats with their chief badges, gold bands and buttons

Ex-Captains have blue hats with the silver band and their ex-captain stuff

Ex-Chiefs have the same set-up as current chiefs with the exception of blue hats with a black felt-like band around the hat and the metal gold band in the front. However, if he so desires he can wear an ex-captain's uniform.


Anyone who resigned as Lieutenant or Asst-Chief reverts back to his firefighter or Ex-Captain uniform.


Question to add to this... in your departments when a Firefighter/Commissioner is no longer a Commish, what uniform does he wear. Does he have a choice or does he automatically revert back to his FF uniform?

[Stop the Egos]

Commissioners are publicly elected officials and by definition are non-uniformed personnel. It is poor etiquette and contrary to protocol to have commissioners in uniform unless the are also department members. If they are department members then they wear the uniform appropriate to their department rank.

[Twisted]

My neighboring District has now instituted an Ex Commissioners Uniform which includes a wide black band and gold buttons - what a joke!
That's most likely because most of them could never make it as a Chief.
I agree if you never made it to the rank of the Chief of the Department, then you should go back to fireman status - Being an Ex Captain is a recognizable rank but without the stripes. Some departments have more Ex Captains with stripes in the line of march then members!
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[Truckie]

The former Commissioner has no real place in a Nassau parade lineup, so this is just a huge gray area. Currently, we are allowing the former Commissioner to wear his Commish duds to parades and march with the gold section. Of course there is the other end of the spectrum, another Commissioner about 10 years ago switched back to his Ex-Captain's uniform as soon as he decided not to run for re-election, even before his term was over. Good sign to the men because it shows you care more for the men than for simply the rank and title.

[West Ender]

Ex-Commissioner is not a rank in the Fire Department (either is Commissioner for that matter). The Chief sets the uniform of the day. Usually for parades where lineup is mandated by the rules (competition) that would be the uniform of the Past Commissioners highest rank within the Department. Once the dust is knocked off it. This goes for Commissioners as well.
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[Egomaniac small men with]

Stop yourself...

Go complain about the School district. At least when the fire dept misspends funds, they don't collect a salary too...

[RE school Watcher]

So therefore I don't really know where all of the skeletons are there. I do know how F'd up the Fire/EMS svc. in Suffolk is. Big difference between the two systems, school v. FD. If the School dist is ripping me off my taxes go up a bit and my kids get a shitty education. If the FD/EMS aren't doing their jobs and are wasting money on trips, parades, uniforms, dinners and gold leaf the trucks/busses don't roll w/ competent people someone in my neighborhood loses their home and or dies. Big difference between the two. I long for the day when the Volly system is dismantled and the blue light paraders go away replaced by a system w/ accountability and a real standard of care.

[JJD]

Not every fire department has a drill team, not every one rolls with new equipment, I have yet to see a chrome plated axe in my firehouse, and I could go on.

The fact is, most departments exist to put out fires, and do it with considerable economy of resources and personnel.

What provoked this tirade?
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[scFF]

Its a fact gold leaf makes the trucks go faster.
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[ha ha]

And beer make you braver!!

[mcmello]

hey @#$&os stay with the original topic!!!!

[Nuker]

rebutting my claims that his firehouse doesn't have a chrome plated axe, not a single one of you can deny the majority of the rest of my observations of waste in the fire service. Fulbright scholarship winner comments like it's a fact gold leaf makes the trucks go faster and beer makes you braver only further proves my point that most, but not all of the volly fire/ems svc. are a bunch of morons.

[gold leaf]

What's wrong with gold leaf? Have you no pride in your department's rigs? Oh, wait, it doesn't conform to FDNY so the wannabe's can't be happy with it...

[dlb51]

Quote:further proves my point that most, but not all of the volly fire/ems svc. are a bunch of morons.

How can you paint with such a broad stroke?

On Long Island there's, IIRC, 110 departments, say 75 members a piece, that's 8250 personnel and you're going to judge all of them by the anonymous comments of one individual on an internet forum that you don't even know is a member of the emergency services.
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[duh]

If you can't figure out that those guys we're joking, you know making light of your uninformed opinion, then maybe you need therapy or something. Very angry. So points you make are correct there are some places that abuse things but not all. No group should be rounded up because of actions of a few of its members.
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[STRIPES]

JUST FOR THE RECORD ACCORDING TO STATE LAW THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EX-LT.....CAPT. MUST SERVE 1 COMPLETE YEAR TO GET EX-BADGES..IF YOU HAVE AN BREAK YOU DO NOT GET THE BADGES...AS FOR ASST. CHIEFS AND CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT..THEY ARE ENTITLED TO WEAR EX-BADGES ONCE THEY SERVE ONE DAY IN RANK...SO IF A 3RD. ASST. CHIEF QUITS AFTER 1 DAY HE WEARS HIS GOLD STRIPES AND EX-BADGES FOREVER

[West Ender]

Are you reading state law or your bylaw book? The state doesn't recognize Ex's as a rank. Where I am you keep your stripes after you finish the whole job. One year as THE Chief and your an Ex. Leave as an Assistant and you go back to your Ex-Captain uniform. If I'm wrong just give me the Section of the law that states it.
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[STRIPES]

Right on man!

[fromflorida]

What about the rank of ex- commissioner does that exist???

OFD

[JeffR]

It shouldn't. Commissioner is not a Fire Department rank.

[nosuchthing]

there is no such rank as ex-commish because you must be a member of the fd to have a rank and you do not have to be a member of the fd to be a commish.

[Politics as Usual]

Your 100% right, about an Ex Commish not being a rank. The problem is that as a Commissioner they think they are the high almighty and can do whatever they want and in some cases NYS law gives them the right to think that way. Commissioners are just the overseers of the Fire Department and should keep that in mind, but the reason most of them become Commissioners in the first place and create the Ex Commish rank is because they could never be elected or make it as a Chief!
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[JasonL]

They can create the rank for the District but not the Department and the Chief sets the uniform of the day at Fire Department functions. I know one Dept. where the Commissioners assigned themselves the same five stripes as the Chief. What balls.

[Buckwheat]

correct

This Place sucks since everyone just bashes each other. If the Board owner had some balls he would make everyone register to post!!!! GROW SOME BALLS

[fdone]

soooo true

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[guest8]

:lol:

[Basher Thrasher]

The problem would be if he made eveyone register then no one would post. Most people just post here because they can do it in anatimity (and yes I am sure that is spelled wrong)

Ex-Commissioner is not a rank in the Fire Department (either is Commissioner for that matter). The Chief sets the uniform of the day. Usually for parades where lineup is mandated by the rules (competition) that would be the uniform of the Past Commissioners highest rank within the Department. Once the dust is knocked off it. This goes for Commissioners as well.

You are correct!! Commissioners have no power on a call unless they are chief or ex-chief. Hell you don't even have to be in the fire department to be a commissioner so why would they have any power over us, oh maybe becuase they hold the purse stings.

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all ego's................................ losers

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