View Full Version : LBFD and GCFD are ruining it for the county
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I agree
07-26-2004, 09:23 AM
It is time for the tax payers of this county to throw the paid firefighters in the trash where they belong !!!!!
They have no clue what being a firefighter is. They sit and wait for the bell to ring all day. They would get killed in the city.
Enough
07-26-2004, 10:07 AM
LBFD and GCFD are ruining it for the county!
They have enough volunteers to do the job!
They are like a cancer which needs to be cut out!
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gibbs
07-26-2004, 01:36 PM
How can Garden City have a paid fire and police dept. but must rely on a volunteer ems service from a neighboring dept. Tax payer dollars are being wasted on a fire dept that when they get that one fire a year they end up calling everyone and there mother to put it out, but when it comes time to repay the favor for a mutual aid call to another dept. they refuse to come because there to busy changing smoke detector batteries. ( they don't no what brotherhood is all about) The career members of garden shity are the cry babies who sent the red flag up about fdny guys being volley's. All the career members of garden city should be forced to resign from there volley depts.
Garden City
07-26-2004, 03:14 PM
Garden City relys on the Nassau County Police Ambulance. Not other Volunteer departments.
The Paid force of Garden City is very small. They are basicly paid drivers. When we recieve an alarm they drive the ladder and engine to the scene, we drive the rescue truck and all second due apperatus. At the scene the driver operated the ladder or pumps the engine. The Volunteers do the work.
The volunteers know exactly what brotherhood is all about - it is the few paid guys who are "Mr pro union anti-volunteer idiot" in Garden City then they are super volly in thier home towns. That a complete hypocracy.
By the way as long as the first line apperatus are in service, Garden City responds all volunteer to mutual aids. And as far as I know we have never turned one down. And if we did it makes me sick and it is not the volunteers fault.
There is a large number of volunteers who are EMT/AMT's the village will not allow us to have an ambulance. We help out with aided as much as we can in an unoffical capacity.
1stbatt
07-26-2004, 03:20 PM
When the county can not respond, MVAC, GCPFD, FSFD, SMFD, NHPFD, FPFD, and EMFD, to mention just a few, have provided EMS for GC for PD and FD in GC.
gibbs
07-28-2004, 09:51 PM
trust me you guys in garden city have refused to respond to the call for help many times to your neighboring depts. when the alarm goes off for a mutual aid call you should respond as fast as if you were responding to your district. which means don't stop to grab a cup of coffee, or wait for the chief to come to the fire house or decide who has to be at work in the morning and can or cant go, or which rig your gonna take , JUST GET ON YOUR FIRST DUE RIG AND GET OUT THE DOOR AS IF YOU WERE GOING TO A FIRE IN YOUR DISTRICT. your internal problems between the volleys and career guys should never get in the way of helping another dept. you have no idea if firefighters are trapped or hanging from windows and that chief on scene is calling your dept for a ladder, YOU MUST RESPOND and if the only ladder in service is the career one then THEY SHOULD RESPOND and if they refuse to respond and a firefighter gets seriously hurt or killed because they fell from a window then those career members of garden city should be fired and brought up on criminal charges. GARDEN CITY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT BROTHERHOOD IS ALL ABOUT.
Youareright
07-29-2004, 04:53 AM
You are dead on accurate in describing the refusals and the delays.
Every mutual aid should be answered as quickly as any fire, and in fact as if your family is in mortal danger, because, in fact your Brother is who is calling.
Last mutual aid, ten of us on the first line tower ladder, had to wait, while the carrer chauffer, paid lt, and chief dicked around with adding another career firefighter for the turntable, when we were more than ready to respond with a full crew and qualified volunteer officers, certified to operate the rig, but they wouldn't, while the relocating company was responding no lights and sirens, sitting at the light at franklin and stewart, with the volunteer crew and officer yelling respond.
Finally when the rigged moved, as we approached franklin and stewart, the chief asked the rig to stop to pick up a second operator in a chinese style drill to add the second turn table operator, to bring up the total to four ##@!ing operators, while everyone in the rig is yelling go, not stop, and finally they responded.
Then recall recall was initiated.
In GC, we have been arbitrated away out of operating or having control of our first line rigs, and it appears, refusals and delays are a becomming a way of life.
It is totally inexcusable!
HASH IT OUT
07-29-2004, 12:07 PM
It sounds to me like a sit down is in order. That is rediculous, you all swore the same oath and wear the same uniform and gear. I can understand leaving the paid members behind but let the rig go when manpower permits, stop f'ing around! HAVE A SIT DOWN.
Youareright
07-29-2004, 05:10 PM
You are right a sit down is in order.
Agree rig should role with out delay with the crew with career and volly right away.
To clarify what happend, a policy has been forced on the department when responding mutual aid with the first line tower ladder, that two career firefighters have to be on the truck to operate the bucket and turntable before responding with automatic recall of two career members. Two career firefighters are in the Headquarters always available to respond, but this night, they wanted to use one career member from headquaters and one career member from an outlying company for some reason, leaving the other qualified career member on the radio dispatching.
We were ready to respond with one career firefighter driving, with a full crew with two volunteer operators of the tower latter fully certified by the union master training officer, and with a second career firefighter available but dispatching in headquaters, and the career LT was holding us because the volunteer operators were not in accordance with their union SOP, waiting for another career firefighter to come in on the outlining engine, which was sitting at a light while our borthers from mineola were waiting for us to respond to the scene.
To futher slow the responce, after the Truck LT successfully convinced the Cheif and LT to respond, they wanted to stop the rig in the middle of the responce on a major road/intersection to add a career operator, when three operators (career and two volly operators) and ten men total were already on the rig.
A mutual aid fast team from surrounding departments rescued our three of our members at the Nassau blvd fire. We should not hold up our mutual aid responce for this bullshit or any reason which could cause harm to members of surrounding departments.
The rig was with a full crew, with three operators, we do not need to wait for another fourth career operator to respond for some bogus SOP established in Arbitration by the Village with the Union with out the conent of the volunter membership / council.
This just scratches the surface of the lunacy of where this has gone.
"Let the Brothers(Career/Volly) GO/Respond!!!"
Do not hold up for any Volly or Career BS.
gibbs
07-29-2004, 07:02 PM
It sounds like there are allot of problems that need to be hashed out in your department. So in order to keep other departments safe around you from injury or death i please ask that your department take themselves out of the mutual aid system until you guys can work out your problems. this is not a game , you cant play with the lives of your brother firefighters we all have family's that we wanna get home to after a job. you must learn to walk before you can crawl with the rest of us who proudly serve as volunteer firefighters. and to all the brother firefighters who read this just remember the only thing that separates a career firefighter and a volunteer firefighter is a civil service test that you choose to take. fire will still kill you it doesn't care which one you are.( a lesson that garden city needs to learn)
The only thing to fear, is fear itself.
Hamtaro
11-13-2004, 04:31 PM
I totally agree!
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looki
11-22-2004, 05:23 AM
Although LB could keep up with the volume of fire calls, without the paid guys, they would not be able to keep up with ems runs .
CityByTheSea
11-26-2004, 05:47 AM
LBFD runs approximatley 4300-4600 calls a year, what volly department can handle that? The closest is Massapequa I believe with approx. 2000. Ya think the UFA is needed in LB?? It is also in the charter of the city of Long Beach to be guaranteed first responders with 1 ambulance and 1 engine ALL firefighters and minimum of and EMT (most are AMT's).
Exclude the EMS calls and give a real number.
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CityByTheSea
11-26-2004, 06:47 AM
why should EMS calls be excluded? Its part of the LBFD, paid and volly the department has 3 ambulnaces but for your information id say around 2000 NON-EMS runs, give or take a few hundred
<<why should EMS calls be excluded?>>
Because you were responding to Looki who wrote:
<<Although LB could keep up with the volume of fire calls, without the paid guys, they would not be able to keep up with ems runs .>>
Looki admits the EMS calls are out of control but fire could be handled. I?d double check that 2000 also.
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looki
11-29-2004, 07:04 AM
I'm not knocking anyone paid or vollies but there is know way the vollies could keep up with that many calls.
Sketchyguy
11-29-2004, 01:57 PM
There are some depts in Suffolk that handle roughly 3,000 calls if not more a year. They are not paid
CityByTheSea
11-29-2004, 09:37 PM
vollies wouldnt be able to keep up with the EMS runs, no way but theres an excessive amount of Non EMS runs that would be a burden for any Dept these days most depts are short manpower during the day, the charter would also have to be changed ---the LBFD ran between 4500-4600 calls in 2003 any all vollie dept would be BURNT OUT if they had to do all that no matter where you are--- the UFA has been in existence for over 75years in LB and thats not going to change the residents rely on the quick responses and in many cases alot of fires have been knocked down with 1 engine(paid) and 1 truck-- not taking anything away from vollies myself i think it is a need in this day and age
mpo301
12-04-2004, 07:22 PM
its the IAFF not the UFA
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Mikecp421
01-09-2005, 04:32 AM
bump
no33forgcfd
02-10-2005, 01:52 AM
GCFD 1 to 4 makes no sence.
All FD's in the county, state, country have one step:
1) Brothers call for a engine, vollies suck truck, rescue, fast team, brothers respond right away with no delay whether volunteer or paid.
No other SOP works.
Give it up, no excuses, the words out, no 33 for gcfd!
There are some depts in Suffolk that handle roughly 3,000 calls if not more a year. They are not paid
Please let us know what volunteer Suffolk FDs (not EMS) respond to 3000+ calls a yr.
lbltjag
02-21-2005, 07:53 PM
GC and LB ruining it for the County? What is your definition of "ruining it". Is it because our excellent response times make those of all other departments look bad? Then yes, we are ruining it for the County. Is it the fact those both departments rarely lose the building, and, in fact, usually confine the job to a one or two room knockdown? Again, guilty as charged. Or, perhaps it is the virtually non-existent civilian casualty rates experienced in both communities. Again, if the excellent showing of these two departments reflects poorly by comparison to those of the all-volunteer departments in the County, then yeah, I guess you could say that we are ruining it for the County. If my department had 12 - 15 minute response times for an ambulance and equally bad times for being able to put water on a fire I guess I would not be happy that there is a point of reference by which our times could be compared. Especially if our response times are shown to be inadequate by comparison. If these things I have described meet your definition of ruining it for the County then you're right. I apologize.
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notthefacts
02-22-2005, 01:49 AM
the lt from lb provies very missleading facts
our uniformed force only mans the engine, not the truck
we usually beat them in while they are at the hospital with a patient with an engine and a truck
for gc, no ambulance, with the worst ems responce times in the county
way to go is volunteer with non union paid personel as needed for ems, fire, dispatch, maintenance.
_lbltjag
02-23-2005, 12:38 AM
Alas a paid fire service here on the Island will never be more than a dream. Why? Because government never, ever, does the right thing. Instead of confronting the serious failure that is the volunteer system, our chosen leaders instead bury their heads in the sand. One poster here suggests that we will only see a push for paid or part paid departments after some politicians family member lies waiting 45 minutes for an ambulance. Maybe. But I don't even think that will get it going. The problem is that we are saddled with all these little fiefdoms and, with them, their Napoleanic leaders. They are too enamored of their status within their organizations to publicly admit that which they absolutely know in their hearts: The system sucks. The answer, of course, is consolidation of departments coupled with either town or county-wide paid members. This should be for both Fire and EMS. Everywhere else in the country Fire and EMS are grouped together to give the taxpayer the best public safety value for their tax dollar. Splitting them only leads to increased costs due to the separate lines of management and leadership that each branch would demand. This is just not neccessary. The world of public safety is ever changing. It is absolutely remarkable that the system for providing it is so stubbornly resistant to change. It seems that everyone agrees that something has to be done about the EMS aspect, but everyone seems to turn a blind eye to the Fire side of the public safety equation. Just the other day there was a picture in Newsday of a garage fire somewhere which I felt was a perfect depiction of the state of the fire service here on the Island. There was a ripping fire in an attached garage. There on the driveway apron was one FF suiting up to initiate an attack. The story went on to say, I think, maybe three departments were called in for manpower. Thats just wrong. You should not need to summon two or three neighboring departments in order to muster enough manpower to confront a house fire. If your department can't put a staffed engine and ladder at scene within 10 minutes of a call than your department is not meeting its obligation to its taxpayers. Of course, there will be those who respond to this post with the usual chicken little BS about how we can't afford a paid service here on the Island. To them I say take a look at what is being spent collectively for fire and EMS protection island-wide. I think you'll find that the money is there. As to those who think the salaries would go the way of the PD's, I can tell you first hand that you are dead wrong. As an 11 year Lt. here in LB, my base is far eclipsed by a fifth year patrolman in our PD. This is because the PD are not threatened by the auxillaries like the paid FF's are by the volunteers. There's no reason to think this wouldn't be the case everywhere else that combination departments set up. So, a combination system invariably exerts a downward influence on the wages of those who comprise it's paid component. There is money for combination departments here on the Island. More importantly, there is a glaring need for them. The only thing standing in the way is the volunteer departments. As long as we continue to elect invertabrates into public office nothing will change. It is incumbent upon those within the volunteer fire service to look themselves in the mirror and admit failure. Not for a lack of good intentions mind you, but good intentions don't get the job done. The fire service needs to wake up to reality and urge our politicians to earnestly pursue the institution of combination departments. This is the only way we can meet the needs of the public who rely on us. How 'bout it fellas?:lol:
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againagain
03-26-2005, 12:00 AM
has anything gotten any better
45 minutes for an ambulance...must live in Ridge :twisted:
Enough with the repeat postings already. If you want people to see it just keep bumping it to the top. It gets annoying when you see the same post repeatedly cluttering a thread. Jeez.
http://fireemsli.proboards26.com/
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guestr
03-30-2005, 10:50 PM
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06-26-2005, 01:32 PM
vollies wouldnt be able to keep up with the EMS runs, no way but theres an excessive amount of Non EMS runs that would be a burden for any Dept these days most depts are short manpower during the day, the charter would also have to be changed ---the LBFD ran between 4500-4600 calls in 2003 any all vollie dept would be BURNT OUT if they had to do all that no matter where you are--- the UFA has been in existence for over 75years in LB and thats not going to change the residents rely on the quick responses and in many cases alot of fires have been knocked down with 1 engine(paid) and 1 truck-- not taking anything away from vollies myself i think it is a need in this day and age
vollies wouldnt be able to keep up with the EMS runs, no way but theres an excessive amount of Non EMS runs that would be a burden for any Dept these days most depts are short manpower during the day, the charter would also have to be changed ---the LBFD ran between 4500-4600 calls in 2003 any all vollie dept would be BURNT OUT if they had to do all that no matter where you are--- the UFA has been in existence for over 75years in LB and thats not going to change the residents rely on the quick responses and in many cases alot of fires have been knocked down with 1 engine(paid) and 1 truck-- not taking anything away from vollies myself i think it is a need in this day and age
Agreed
Ain't no riddle gonna solve this.
Surely not.
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09-06-2007, 03:12 AM
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Unregistered5554218
09-06-2007, 02:01 PM
There are some depts in Suffolk that handle roughly 3,000 calls if not more a year. They are not paid
3,000 - Yeah, with EMS. Busiest FD's are Selden, Centereach and North Babylon all due to EMS. And they use paid EMS personnel.
Busiest with just fire is Brentwood doing around approx. 1,300. Then Huntington Manor, CIFD and Commack.
Who are you kidding?
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