Setauket Fire District wants a 16 million bond for new fireh

[PROUD FF]

The setauket commissioners have requested a bond issue for 16 million dollars to rebuild 01, (thats right one), firehouse. While members of station # 02 do not have A/C except for the winter, do not have adequate heat except for in the summer months, and can not park any vehicles on their front ramp as it is currently crumbling.
You might remember a few years ago when the setauket commissioners lost a few hundred thousand dollars when their concrete contractor screwed up the foundations for their refurbish project. They had no general contractor, no project insurance and they ate the money lost. My station - Station # 3 was completely refurbished a few years ago but never finished. So why should anyone think these guys should be allowed to manage a project of this magnitude, I don't and I'm a Firefighter here. Maybe they should try to fix all the problems that exist currently before they move on to a much bigger and more costly endeavor.

[WWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTTTT]

PROUD FF is 100% correct in everything he said. They are looking for 16 mil for a new HQ. It comes to about 260?? /household x 20 years. No memorials as far as I'm aware, but something about being LEED Gold certified. If they get that then supposedly the life time cost of the building will be less. The Building looks nice, and it's a great Idea. And the space is certainly needed. but PROUD FF is right.. There are lots of other things that need to be done, and that have not been completed. How do we know that HQ will be done and the 16 mill will complete the house. When they build sta#3 they were supposed to build building for the district there, but ran out of money. I doubt the taxpayers will pass the vote anyway..

[Probietech]

First off guy, Type like a normal human, 2nd you will be the first one to rip them for not getting to your house quick enough. You probably do not even give a donation to them during there fund raising. So get a clue and get lost...

[waste]

Just imagine the amount of paid people we could staff with 16mil!!! HaHaHa

[suprised555]

Let's be 100% clear about why fundraising is done and what the $$ are used for. The fire district, run by the fire commissioners that the community elects, sets the tax amount that they need to run the fire department. This includes 100% of the cost for the buildings, maintenance, vehicles, supplies, training, wearing apparel needed, etc. They also pay for some parties when they can justify that they are part of the job, food for all drills, etc.

Fundraising is used for "stuff" that the district legally can't pay for. The district can pay for big screen TV's because you have videos to study for drills, etc. They can't pay for buff shirts that are not uniform shirts, they can't pay for volunteer picnics and trips, etc. The fire service will survive at 100% of the current level even if there are no donations.

Should you donate, that is your decision. Just be aware that the funds go to the "men and women" for events such as ball teams, etc. This may not be a bad idea to keep the volunteers volunteering, but no resident should think that a fire truck or critical equipment can only be purchased if people donate $$.

[FF 2]

The last guy to post must be a teacher! Arrogant - know - it - all attitude, this is this this and that is that, etc.
Well numb - nuts I hate to tell you that donations from the public are used for a whole lot more! The Department donates large sums of money to worthy local charities, donates food to the soup kitchen before Turkey Day and Christmas, gives presents to Toys for Tots and other impoverished children. Also a large percentage of the monies donated do not go for "buff shirts" as you said but a full twenty - five percent in Setauket goes to a benevolent fund which assists older firefighters with such things as hearing aids, eyeglasses, etc. Some young firefighters are assisted monetarily with bill payments when they are injured or out of work. So before you go off half - cocked, (which is probably a familiar term for you by now), stop coming up short and know what you are talking about!

[FF EMT SFD L 1]

Three of the Setauket Fire Commissioners are attempting to sell the public a bill of goods.
Proud FF is absolutely right, the fire commissioners, (FC's), said they wanted the district offices at the sub station here on Nicolls Rd. they lied! They never even finished the upstairs portion of the firehouse as planned. Yet they had an elevator installed at a hefty cost to the taxpayers. Why? In accordance with local laws the elevator would not be necessary if the upstairs portion was not finished and to be used as an area open to the public. The fact that it was installed means only one of two things - 1. some FC got a kick back from the elevator company to put it there. OR 2. The FC's intended to put their offices in the upstairs portion of this firehouse, then changed their collective minds when they realized they could just build the new HQ building a bit bigger to accommodate them as well. (Pretty slick, this way they can get the new offices they wanted years ago when the community turned down their original bond proposal, place it within this new bond proposal and then have the offices they originally wanted anyway). NICE !
I for one will never vote for this issue to pass and will look to lobby against't it.

[PROUD FF]

Yes, that is what Fire Commissioner Anthony Parlitore said when the idea of an open house type of meeting was announced recently. When told of the plan to include firefighters and then community members to get their input on the planned new firehouse - Parlitore was overheard by a group of firefighters saying; "I don't want their input, we don't need their input". It wasn't clear to whom he was referring when he said this - the public, or the firefighters. Either way this is the typical way these guys deal with the very people who put them in office. It is a very sarcastic and elitist attitude to wards the members of the Setauket Fire Department and the community. I will vote a resounding NO on the bond issue as is. If the commissioners come forward with a plan that puts their offices in the upstairs of station three as originally proposed, and a much cheaper plan to rebuild or refurbish the HQ building, minus monuments , statues, etc. then I will vote yes. Until that time I hope the issue is defeated.

[why]

Why are they double-dipping?

That's what the 2% fund is for, to fund the bennys.

[westley e truck]

if you were at the last meeting you probably know who i am. I am all for a new sta 1 its long over due it sickened me when they purchased two trucks that were made small to fit in the firehouse trucks should be built based on needs not the size of the firehouse. I think the proposed project is ok but excessive. First com. parlatore spoke about making the firehouse the center of the community. Hello the community is not part of the fire department the fd is part of the community. The community just wants you there when they need you. they all assume that its not their house or family you're going to save thats why they don't pull over for you. second if this building is about the community then shouldn't they have considered the impact the use of their 600 person meeting room would have on parking down town. the plan only shows about 120 space on fd property that means if there ever is a big event the bank, paula jeans, pen and pencil building and stores will have no parking that sounds like a big help to the community

[westley e truck]

i'm back with problem three. the current proposal shows multiple meeting rooms offices and classrooms but how many are too many the way it stands now the comm's could hold a board mtg in the inner sanctum while the district employees held one in the district conference room, the chiefs could hold a mtg in their office and the benevolent in theirs, the ems committe can hold one the same night in the departmnet conference room and a ent class could be held in the 600 person mtg room also two separate trainings can be held in the two class rooms but dont forget the rec room or the facilities at sta 2 and 3 this sounds more like firehouse expo than a firehouse besides we usually don't schedule conflicting events but there isnt any room to scale this project down is there?
#4) the environmental stuff! this part of the plan is costing the taxpayers millions, they want to recycle rain water to water the plants wow i get this for free from god the rain falls and my plants grow go figure they might as well recycle the feces coming from the toliets so we can cook with it. hey maybe if we don't like this plan we can hold a hippie style sit in they might understand that. okay bye for now but i'll be back

[Benev Prez]

I am the President of another Benevolent Assoc...not Setaukets and it is ok to raise funds for Non 2% monies to spend in ways that the state does not mandate.
It is cleary written what the 2% monies can be spent on..and for your information 2& monies is not tax money..it comes from Insurance premiums that the Districts residents pay ti Insurance Companies that do not have home offices in new York State, yet residents buy their insurance from them.
Benevolent money is for the care and welfae of indigent members and in no way uses tax money.
To put it in laymens terms its a "sunshine" fund to help members who have extended illnesses or other catastrophic problems in their life and can only be afforded to the member and not their families unless its a death benefit.

[westley e truck]

just a little info about the recent times herald record article. Comm. parlatore in an attempt to sell this project stated that the department ladder truck has to be housed at substation 3 because it doesn't fit in the house on 25A. This information is grossly incorrect and misleading! In 1971 substation 3 was built and in 1975 after learning that stony brook university was going to be built the ladder truck was moved to station 3 on nicholls rd to ensure a quick response to the ONLY high rise building in the district. since 1975 there about the ladder truck has always been housed at station 3 which by the way is the home of the ladder company and home to the most qualified drivers of the ladder truck. Now in addition to the hospital the campus has several other high rise buildings as well the holiday inn is also in station 3 response area. The article also talks about the fact that if this bond goes through this will be the first building of its kind on long island, wouldn't you like to be known as the first board of fire commissioners to run such a project

[FF 2]

This is a huge mess! We have Commissioners saying they don't need or want any input from anyone, (the community, the Fire Department Members, anyone). (Tony Parlitore). We have ignorant Chiefs, (Kevin Yoos & Paul Dibiase), constantly fighting with the Commissioners, even at the Department meeting in front of the full membership. We have a District Manager, (also a Dibiase), not a dumb guy, but ignorant in an elitist sort of way. This fellow thinks of himself as a "renaissance man", and injects himself in so many things that are none of his business it is impossible to deal with him.

It is time for leadership and some hard decisions;

1. Chief of Department - tell your assistant chiefs to shut up in public. Argue behind closed doors, then present a united front with ONLY 30 talking. You, (Chief Yoos), should be the policy maker in YOUR department, not your subordinates! Take charge, do so with respect, courtesy and you will be doing a service to your department and your community as a righteous leader.

2. Commissioners; reign in the guy in your ranks that keeps stepping on his d!ck and pissing off everyone. Allow members to submit ideas for the possible changes in the new firehouse plan. Make just one significant change in the existing plan and publicize it to the members at large - showing that you actually give a sh!t about what they think. Then you will get some needed support from membership. Tell your district manager to shut up and mind his own business. Sit him down and explain what his job is, explain what he should be doing and what he shouldn't be doing. This will also gain you support from the membership. For too many years this guy has been allowed to stick a thumb in the eye of anyone he doesn't like, this is wrong. He is not a commissioner, wasn't voted into any office, he is a functionary employee with a job to do and should NEVER have a voice on any policy decisions. He is an employee and needs to be reigned in.

3. Members; Demand your say in this project, and if denied the necessities that you have posted here - A/C, Heat, safe driveways, safe conditions, etc. VOTE NO, bring your friends, neighbors and even your enemies, but VOTE NO! Remember; the commissioners are not in charge of the Fire District they simply administer the funds within the Fire District and serve at the pleasure of the community at large. If a certain one or two isn't being cooperative VOTE THEM OUT ! Put an individual in there who will listen when you talk, and who doesn't take themselves too seriously!

I think a new firehouse is needed at that location, but not the one that the "visionary" commissioners have planned. I personally can afford it, but do not want to! I think enough is enough.

[One O the boys]

After reading the last post I simply have to agree, the guy nailed it! Most if not all of what was written is how many members at Setauket feel about the situation. I have heard that Tony Parlitore said the things posted above, of course he denies them - what is lost on him and on all of the commissioners and chiefs of setauket is that it doesn't matter whether he made those comments or not. The comments are typical of ideas he and others have portrayed for years and because of that fact many department members feel completely disenfranchised and out of place. The guys up front fail to grasp the fact that they are not the driving force behind the Fire Department, the guys who come out at 2 am for calls, (and they are few), they are the ones who keep the place a float and always have. So NO we don't need a 16 million firehouse!

[PROUD FF]

Here at Setauket we have five Commissioners, and here is how they rate;
1. T.P. - (interesting initials) - He is our in house expert on everything, (he's a Lawyer), just ask him. He's somewhat of a loose canon, an elitist from Old Field Village - who actually lives outside the confines of the Setauket Fire District and in an area that pays us for contracted Fire service - and therefore probably shouldn't be a Fire Commissioner.
2. G.B. - A retired school teacher/administrator - (can you say spend moollah?) This guy goes on more "Fire District" trips than Derick Jeter travels with the Yankees!
Interesting tid - bit, each month when the call sheets come out he and his wife have exactly the same number of calls. That is a really neat trick, especially when you consider that members have seen one of them and not the other quite a few times respond to calls.
(Nice enough guy but a boob who likes to travel on somebody else's dime).
3. R.L. - A union official with a local municipality - this guy was a decent enough Chief and a very active Fireman and Officer. The Jury is still out on him mainly because he is so new at his commissioner job. He has faltered though in some areas and guys are watching like hawks to see if he makes the right moves!
4. K.F. - An administrative State employee from Stony Brook - Nice guy, used to be a real dedicated EMT and instructor. Biggest problem - M.I.A. - not around that much, misses a lot of what's going on and suffers for it. He will be gone in a few, I don't think his temperament and intellect can handle being viewed as he is now.
5. J.J.W. - A law enforcement guy with huge political aspirations - ran for local broohaven town position and lost recently. By himself not a bad guy, in a group - a bit pompous. This guys wants and needs to be in the spot, he also is M.I.A. alot and this is a problem because it allows T.P. and G.B. to do a lot of dopey things in his absence. This guy has been a Commish for so long he remembers the horse drawn days, only kidding!

Bottom line - elections are a few months away - crucial elections - whomever is elected should be trusted with stewardship of this department through its centennial in 2009. CHOOSE CAREFULLY, but I think the guy in there now really needs to be gone.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot the sixth Commissioner;
6. R.D. - Not really a commish but don't tell him that. He is really the District Manager. A crass, pompous guy with very little nice to say about anyone. (Can you say bully?) This guy has overstepped his job description for years! He injects himself into every situation he can, (many - none of his business), goes into long diatribes about any subject for which an audience will bear to listen to him. He has never worked for anyone , anywhere else since his teens. Started as a dispatcher, then assisted the D. Manager, then took over the spot, and has stuck there like a fat tick for years! Another guy that should be outsourced, (fired).

Have a nice day !

[FF EMT SFD L 1]

LOL - LOL - LOL

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THAT WAS THE BEST DESCRIPTION OF OUR BOYS I HAVE EVER HEARD -

EVERYBODY FUNNY - NOW YOU FUNNY TOO !

LET THE BASHING BEGIN - YE - HAHHHHHHH !

[FD]

Being relatively new around the firehouse, thats some good info to know. I've always wondered about what other people thought about all them, but was afraid to ask, cause I don't know who talks to who...

[FIRE FIGHTER]

If TP does not live in the fire district he can not be a fire commissioner under state law. I was reading the board minutes and there was one commish that was being investigated for altering documents what happened with that?

[tm]

16 million, 17 million, whatever it takes

[DE]

If the things you say are not true and just your opinion , then state it that way. The things said here are an open forum and are protected by the Constitution . Slander and opinion of someones personality is not reason enough to blankly disagree with them. Be educated about your subject and take action don't just smear people in position with your opinion. Enough soap box. The new fire house has some serious lackingings in my view , No facility to repair vehicles. Not enough respect for the old fire house , can be incorporated in as a facade. Now work for the change that you would like to see be smart about it be professional and be educated. This is not a political election but a referendum to spend your money....
Thank you and Be Safe

[tm]

Would you like a Hot Pocket?

[FDVOL]

Sounds like every other Board of commissioners that I have dealt with but strangely the District Manager sounds so much like that @#%$ at Coram!

[FDVOL]

I didn't know this forum corrects your vulgar text. That "@#%$" is supposed to be A$$HOLE, thank you! And @#%$ you SAL

[tm]

Have a good look at this, someone's stripped the screwheads.

[PROUD FF]

First: All of the items posted here are opinions, the only difference between opinion and fact is your personal perception on any subject. Unless you are posting something you know to be false - that would be a lie. Try Webster's dictionary, this way next time I don't have to explain this to you!
Second: Slander - vb / syn MALIGN, asperse, defame, denigrate, muckrake, < generally associated with a falsehood>. I told the truth about each thing I mentioned in my post so to call it slander would be inappropriate. Also, as you so helpfully stated comments and opinions here and anywhere are protected by the constitution.
Third: Make no mistake I was posting a negative opinion of three of our Commissioners and the District Manager based on their own actions, not my opinions.
Fourth: I am being educated about my posts and yes I am trying to influence how others will vote in any upcoming elections. In my opinion, the finest voter is the one who is the most informed, so I endeavor to inform those reading this site. This is not a soap box, it is a message / rumor board and it serves a purpose. I think you are simply one of those listed in my post, or their BROTHER and you are annoyed that I called them for what they are! With regard to the planned new firehouse: As a firefighter I could care less where they fix the vehicles. I personally think all repairs should be made off premises with a mechanic, and we should trim the fat and get rid of all these EXTRA employees! I do not really care about "respect" for the old firehouse, I am much more interested in providing a safe and accessible working environment for the volunteers at a fair cost to the taxpayer. I am working for the changes I would like to see, but as you well know T.P. has said he doesn't want or need any input from us or the public. Yes, this may well be the deciding factor in a political election and the fact that you do not see this is indicative of your naivety. I will decide how to approach this matter, and what I will say with regards to it . . . you can do the same. But to come here in an attempt to scold myself or anyone else for their opinions or their tactics in this is purely absurd.
Thank you and you be safe too !

[tm]

I'm 12 years old. In the caveman days I'd be having children of my own.

[saam]

everyone likes to talk @#%$ and everyone says that they are from WET#1 well if you got balls lets set up a day and set this @#%$ strait wet 1 members know who's who

[tm]

I know you can be underwhelmed, and you can be overwhelmed, but can you ever just be, like, whelmed?

[concerned]

The problem is that you dont know when to stop.

[tm]

Whew, this internet business is tough. I might just have to go back to loan-sharking for a while to get some vacation.

[MT]

Why would you want to loan people sharks ?
More importantly who would want to borrow a shark ?
They are very dangerous amphibians and should be treated with due respect.

[concerned]

The problem is you don't know when to stop. If you have something to say, say it, but in the publics eye, on this web site is crazy. If you don't like what the Board does, come to their public meeting, the 28th and voice your opinion. Don't hide behind fake screen names online. If you have problems or concerns, take it to your Chief or his Assistants, he has always been more than welcome to hear you out, listen to your ideas and even put some in to action. He has always been straight forward and has been trying hard to move the Department ahead. You need to get over the nonsense, talk to you fellow brothers and vote as you see fit. You are killing us, making the Department look bad, and bringing us into the dirt. I can understand you dont like what the Board does, they overstep there mission and try to run the Department all the time. Which they need to stay out of. But you people need to clean up your act, we have a important mission to protect citizens lives and property, for the most part we all do a tremendous job, volunteering our time and doing what others would never do. If you have problems, lets try to correct them, bring it out, let the officers know, if it is that bad, then rethink why you are part of us. Because the name of the Department is part of you as well, so you are making yourself look bad.

[FSFD]

Just started to read this Setauket thread today after finding the Coram ones "mysteriously" missing.

I was thinking the same thing myself, how their DM sounds alot like "My cousin Vinny".

Maybe being a di@khead POS dumb azz has something to do with that job title?

Question for ANY Setauket FF...Has your DM ever droped his pants in a public place(ie:a resturant) ?
Or walk around the district buildings with his pants down all day?
Just trying to prove a theory here thanks...........

[tm]

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

[westley e truck]

I ACTUALLY SOME WHAT AGREE WITH CONCERNED. NOT ABOUT NOT USING THIS BOARD BUT ABOUT SPEAKING UP AT THE MEETINGS. FOR TOO LONG THESE COMM. HAVE ACTED LIKE THEY ANSWER TO NO ONE BUT THEY ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE THEY ARE WRONG. WHETHER ITS THE MEMBERS THE PUBLIC OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE INTENTIONS OF THIS FORUM SHOULD BE TO BAD MOUTH THE COMM BUT TO BAD MOUTH THE PLAN, ACTUALLY TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO VOTE DOWN THE PLAN AND PERSUADE THE COMM. TO LISTEN FOR ONCE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM. YOU ALL NOW HOW OUTSPOKEN I AM AND ITS NO SECRET HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE STUFF THEY PULL BUT THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE BUILDING. SO LETS FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AND IF THE PUBLIC DOES COME ON HERE THEY WON'T SEE A DEPARTMENT DIVIDED. STAND TOGETHER WITH YOUR BROTHERS WE ARE THE DEPARTMENT WE ARE THE ONES WHO GO OUT THERE AND SERVE AND WE ARE THE ONES WHO CONTROL THE FATE OF THIS PLAN. BUT LETS DO IT AS A WHOLE. NOW YOU ALL KNOW I DON'T ALWAYS SEE EYE TO EYE WITH THE CHIEFS OFFICE NO MATTER WHAT MY RELATIONSHIPS ARE BUT THEY ARE FIRST ONES TO STAND UP TO THE BOARD IN A LONG TIME SO HELP THEM DO IT , WHY DO YOU THINK THE COMM KEEP SCREWING WITH THEM IT BECAUSE IT PISSES THEM OFF THAT THEY CAN'T RUN THINGS THE WAY THEY WANT SO STAND WITH YOUR CHIEF SPEAK OUT WITH THE MEMBERS AND SPREAD THE WORD TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BUT FOCUS ON THE ISSUES

[westley e truck]

hey proud ff you know who i am so call me so we can talk don't just hide here we should work on this issue together

[westley]

hey proud ff you know who i am so call me so we can talk don't just hide here we should work on this issue together

[westley e truck]

hey proud ff you know who i am so call me so we can talk don't just hide here we should work on this issue together

[real responder]

Who is that guy spreading the love and cheer. These commissioners, other than Rich, were never active; in all the years i've been around this place. Some of them a little active, maybe, but never real active. I do support them though but only because I want my house to have a ladder truck. Maybe H&L can teach some of our guys who to use it too.

[SFD FF 426]

As you can see at the top of this post I have printed my badge number, unlike those who write unsupported and anonymous statements on here I stand behind my views. Setauket's HQ building is in a condition wherein it needs major renovation. That being said, whether that means a cost to the taxpayers of 16 million or not has not been made clear to anyone. While I understand many of the comments by various Commissioners about savings over the next 100 years, production of an environmentally friendly building, and necessity for this project, I am not convinced that this amount of funds need be expended to achieve a viable workplace for our volunteers or our community. A few people posted here about the current boards failure to complete the upstairs portion of station three, (which was slated to be the new District Offices when first built). Other postings spoke of failures in maintenance of station # 2 with regard to air conditioning units, heating, and other necessary items such as urinals that flush away the matter dispensed into them. While I am unsure of the original plans for the upstairs of station three, it is clear that it was built for a purpose and never finished and utilized for any purpose at all. The items about station # 2 are correct. The air conditioning is currently working but in the past has been out of service each and every summer for numerous weeks at a time. The heating system is insufficient, and fails to warm the entire firehouse. This is waiting to be addressed. The urinals - still do not work. I attended the open monthly meeting for the Commissioners on two occasions and brought up this problem, (it should be in their minutes), it is still not working correctly and it smells. If this were a problem in their own homes I am sure it would have been addressed immediately and fixed. There are numerous other problems with the station and I understand the commissioners have promised to address these as well. I do not think the Fire Commissioners have done their best work here. I think if they believe in earnest that this project is the best for Setauket and it's firefighters then they should be actively campaigning the membership and the community to approve it. They must do this with real facts, patience and show a genuine necessity for this project to go forward. They must show that this project is necessary to meet immediate needs, not tax rolls over the next hundred years.
As for the knuckleheads who wasted their time reviewing the character of our commissioners, Chiefs, and our DM. FOUL ball ! Even if you were 100 % right, the way you did this was wrong! Maybe you should repost your rants and include your badge number as I did above. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to slam those guys with rumors and innuendo and do so anonymously is cowardly at best. If you want to talk about this, now you know who I am.

[tm]

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to leave the store.

[westley e truck]

great post well said i also agree that they need a new hq but not a 16million dollar one. as far as sta 3 goes it is finished according to plan we just feel the plan should have included developing the whole building upstairs and down. but foul ball is dead on about those posts as funny as they might be but its sad that new members are posting on here saying that it good to now about the commissioners and chief that they are viewed like that so to new members MAKE YOUR OWN OPINIONS SOME OF US DON'T FEEL THAT WAY so remember when you look back at how it was remember who ran this place in the past besides it is damn entertaining

[suprised555]

Sorry I missed your response to my post about what happens to money that is donated to the dept. The bottom line is that when I, as a resident, donate $$ to the FD I "presume: that the $$ will be used for the FD.

Let's be clear, the FD should not be taking my donation and then donating the $$ to other organizations. It is absurd to take donations and then "redonate" them. Also, my $$ are not to help financially strapped volunteers, they are for the FD to function. Let the volunteers who need $$ get a job like all of us.

The use of donated $$ for these types of purposes is absurd and borders on illegal. Use the $$ to run the FD. If you don't need the $$, which be both know you don't, then stop soliciting donations and use the tax $$$, that is what it is there for.

[SFD FF 426]

When making a donation to any organization as you sign the check you also sign away any right to the monies sent or to how it is spent. If you sent monies assuming it would be spent in some other way and without looking into it more thoroughly, then you have cheated yourself and the ultimate responsibility remains with you! So stop donating your money and stop maligning our use of it for the benefit of charities for kids, stuffed animals for the kids who are patients on the ambulance etc.
Now that you understand where the monies go you can make a conscious choice about donating or not. As far as Firefighters receiving funds having to get a job, you are a moron! The Firefighters who receive money from our benevolent association are almost always those who were injured while active in an ambulance or fire call. These are not "hair-bags, fakers, etc". these are men and women who were contributing their time and efforts to the community and were injured in the process. Because of their injuries they stand to lose all that they have worked for. When not injured they have jobs, "like the rest of us"! This is just one more blatant case of someone who hasn't got a clue, logs onto this site, and spews forth enough false crap to fill a dumpster.

Oh, did I mention that you were a moron?

The use of donated $$ for these types of purposes is a small price to pay for the hours volunteered by the person in question and most certainly is not illegal, as it is common practice throughout the State and elsewhere.

As far as your statement implying that we don't need the monies so we should stop soliciting . . .

Did I mention that you were a moron?

[tm]

This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity.

[SFD FF 426]

Hi - Fi ?

Could you elaborate for us simple folk? Thanks!

[Biased]

IGNORE HIM!!!!
He is only trying to prove a point to N2N2N2N2N2 that everyone should register to post, just ignore the pain in the ass hopefully one day he will leave.

[tm]

what would you be doing if you weren't out making yourself a better citizen?

[tm]

By the way, Hi-Fi is the reproduction of sound with little or no distortion

[westley e truck]

its true you're not a moron you like many members of the public are out of the loop. Its understandable that you are concerned about how your money is used and you should but you should also understand how the FD works. I don't expect that someone whose not involved can appreciate what it talks to be a member or what you give up but i'll try to explain. You can tell a lot about a person by what they are willing to sacrifice for others and as a firefighter sacrifice comes on many levels. My father was a member for over 25 years so he wasn't around much because he was out protecting to community. Now i volunteer and as a father of two its hard to find the time but if i don't who will. The Setauket Fire Department has responded to over 1200 alarms this year thats over 1200 and the numbers keep going up. in addition to all the calls we train on a regular basis. I alone participated in hundreds of hours of training last year including 120 hour on just one topic. this is more time away from home, but i find time because its important. As far as jobs i have a full time job and so does my wife we have to so we can stay in setauket where i have lived my entire life. But even with two full time jobs ,as i'm sure you know its not easy. I could probably get another job but then i would have to quite the FD and that would hurt to many people. You see i have two kids and it for them and you and your kids that we volunteer. You send a check and maybe thats all you can do but thats OK we appreciate the support we get from the community not everyone can be a firefighter for whatever reason it is time, fear whatever. but don't think that your money is being wasted its not. as far as supporting the benevolent. Let me give you an example of why its there last year i was injured in a fire and came very close to losing an eye luckily i didn't but if i did would you tell my wife and kids that they would have to suffer while i was out of work. what if i was killed would you tell m family who has sacrificed enough already supporting the guy who cares enough about others that he'd put himself in this place, would you tell them they don't deserve help. I volunteer because I care about you and you family and your property. I volunteer because others don't. I volunteer like 85% of the fire departments in the world to protect our way of life we protect you 24/7 and basically for free we protect you and all the other resident of this 28 square mile district and that is something I feel is important. As for the option of paying the firemen its a great idea but we complain about taxes now just wait till that happens 10 or 20 years down the road remember in NYC fireman and cops always negotiate their contracts base on what the others make its called parody. Ask yourself how much does and suffolk cop make. So again thank you for your interest in this topic and thank you for your donation it is people like you how make it easier for people like me to volunteer.

[tm]

If I'm not back in five minutes...just wait longer!

i'm a little worried about the guy who thinks that a shark is an ambhibian...

[SFD RealityCheck]

I am pretty certain the commissioner's 16 million dollar bond will NOT pass (unless, of course, they use their "community group ties" and tell them to vote yes) for two main reasons that most of us will agree on. First of all, it has NEVER been made clear as to WHY such a pricey firehouse is practical or even needed. We know its environmentally friendly and will save money in the long run, blah blah...but why so BIG?? We can still have it be enviro. friendly and make a nice new Sta. 1 for MUCH less. The powerpoint presentation was put together nicely, but babbled on and on and was filled with construction and architectural jargon. It seemed as if they never really answered WHY such a firehouse is needed, but rather danced around the questions with pre-determined and vague responses. Now we're all in agreement that station 1 needs to be replaced, but why at such a cost? A 600 person meeting room? Not needed, even if our selling point is for public use. (Oh, and on that note, firefighters don't want or like random strangers or groups walking around the firehouse, especially in this day and age of terrorism) A "conference room" for practically everyone? I don't think so. An apparent office building looking design with a glass wall? Please! How is it that Station 3 hosts EMT classes, SCFA classes, community courses, trainings, Fire Department functions, etc. with as much space as it has and does just fine, yet the proposed grandiose Station 1 needs ALL that space without seeming firefighter friendly? It's like the old joke "What has less fat than a sandwich?...HALF a sandwich." Hopefully you get the metaphor....
Secondly, comments by a commissioner in a local paper are EXTREMELY misleading to the public. (Involving the location of Ladder 1 and the need for a new Sta 1 to name a few). The same commissioner was also the one who was heard saying, in no uncertain terms, that he didn't want any input from members or the public. Yet, they asked for our input (the chief even wrote a letter) and they did NOTHING about it when we gave it to them. Are you KIDDING me?? The MEMBERS are the FIRST people you should try to get support from so they can help you spread your message about what a good idea this bond is. But what did the commissoners do? They managed to outrage and provoke the members and the chiefs with the attitudes and stubborness. They in no way explained WHY we (the members) need this building and how it might benefit US, the MEMBERS (the most important people in the FD). Our suggestions were seemingly not even considered, and when asked how this firehouse will be firefighter-friendly and make us want to hang out there and thus support the bond idea, the subject was danced around. Thus, very few members support the idea because of the feeling of detachment from the commissioners and the whole process in general. I'm surprised none of them thought of this relatively simple equation. Get members for your idea = they tell people what a great idea it is and how much it's needed, and the positive word is spread, and message boards like this wouldn't exist.
The solution to this bond, when it fails, is to let each company have their OWN firehouse without district offices and employees playing "big brother". Any member who is active will tell you how important this is. I could even settle for the dispatcher upstairs at station 3, as long as it is re-done to include a lounge and sleeping area for members as well. While you're at it, re-do station 2 and make it feel less like you're in a dirty basement. Place the district offices away from the firehouses. They will still be able to function without being on top of the firehouse. It's a shame the commissioners won't join forces with the members...a LOT more would get accomplished if they had our backing.

[SICK N TIRED]

AS I READ ON FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO THESE COMMENTS, MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE WHEN IS ENOUGH? ENOUGH? AS WE CAN ALL SEE THE MEMBERS OF THE SETAUKET FD ARE FED UP WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING HANDLED AS WELL AS RUN IN THIS DEPARTMENT! FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM! SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER? SURLEY NOT ANOTHER TRIP AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE IS IT?(G.B), AND FOR YOU (T.P.) WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING? THE DISTRICT MGR. WAS RIGHT (K.F.) SHOULD HAVE BEEN GONE A LONG TIME AGO ISN'T WHAT WAS DONE CONSIDER FRAUD? I'M SURE LOSAP LOOKS AT IT THAT WAY !!!!!!! SO REALLY WHY DO WE NEED A $16,000,000.00 FIREHOUSE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO SHOW UP AT. AS A MEMBER WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE TURNOUT IS AFTER 12:00P.M. DON'T WE! SO PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDSAND FAMILY THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.. AND MAKE THE BOARD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR, AND I MEAN ONLY THEIR ACTIONS....... AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST,,,, THE BOARD SHOULD REALIZE THE THE CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT RUNS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE MEMBERS AND LET THEM GO BACK AND COME UP WITH A REALALISTC PLAN FOR THE NEW HOUSE AND NOT JUST WHAT SOME EGOMANIAC'S THINK WE SHOULD HAVE.. MAYBE THEY SHOULD ALL SIT DOWN TOGETHER, WHEN (G.B.) GET'S BACK FROM ALL HIS TRIPS AND PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER. AT LEAST THIS WAY THEY WILL HAVE ONE BRAIN CELL BETWEEN ALL OF THEM..... ENOUGH IS REALLY ENOUGH............SICK N TIRED

[tm]

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

[Twisted]

Just think if the bond issue goes down we may really get the Commissioners moving to Sta 3 - Imagine what that Cluster F would be like!

[charlie]

TM-

Sorry guy, I had to say it. I'm sure mommy will make it all better for you later, but really - please shut up while the adults are speaking. While many people on this site have posted intelligent and honest posts about a real issue, you on the other hand "SERVE NO PURPOSE". Your moronic little comments only annoy, interrupt and distract everyone from reading legitimate posts about this issue. So please go away and bother your teachers, or mom and dad.

BYE -

[No Way Baby]

I love it!

Rarely do I read a post on this site that I completely agree with. Charlie gets kudos for content and for the restraint he showed while bashing that moron.

No, I don't feel we need another "PALACE" masquerading as a firehouse. These volunteers have all my respect for what they do, and if their firehouse is old and needs to be replaced then so be it. But we certainly do not need to spend $ 16,000,000.00 doing it. My taxes are high enough. Mr. Berber, (a commissioner), has been telling anyone who will listen that this is all necessary for the operation of the fire department. Does this guy think we are all simple country bumpkins? This plan has a trainload of "extras" that we dont want or need. Give the taxpayers a break, come back with a proposal that includes removal of the old building, temporary shelter for the equipment and manpower. Then a plan that includes modest office space, a meeting room for your members to gather, garage space for the firetrucks and ambulances, an area accessible from the outside for decontamination purposes, an workshop area where your members can repair and maintain their equiptment, a small kitchen and dining area, bathrooms, and a few non descript rooms that allow expanded use in the next century. But frankly, memorials with marble, a huge auditorium, and many of the other items proposed here are simply ridiculous!

My two cents have been tendered!

[jamespjack]

I am not a resident of your district, nor do I live anywhere near it. I have been reading some of the posts on this board and I have to say that for the commissioners of the Setauket Fire District to ask for a 16 million dollar bond is absolutely ridiculous. I believe that there are more important things that money like that can be spent on. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for fireman and ems personal to have a nice place to go and hang out when they are not on calls. I volunteer myself in my neighborhood. But to ask for 16 million dollars to build a fire house in way out of left field. What are you guys going to build that can cost 16 million dollars? We all know that the EMS and Fire service are changing very rapidly every year. My opinion is that you should be happy with what you have. Maybe the commissioners of the Setauket Fire District should ask for a little less money than 16 million dollars, something like 14 million dollars less, and see what they can do refurbish the current buildings that they have. The cost of living on this island is way to high as it is, and now you want to raise taxes even more then they already are and force even more people to move away. Instead of buying new fire trucks every couple of years because they no longer look good in parades, save that money and use it to refurbish your current firehouses. That will save money in the tax payers pocket, the commissioners remembers those people don't they, they are the ones that put you in office and they are the ones that have to flip the tax bill every year. Just one mans opinion....Have a wonderful day.............

[16 Million is too much]

YOU MUST BE FROM THE SOUTH SHORE! PARADES WHAT ARE THOSE NORTH SHORE DEPARTMENTS LIKE SETAUKET DON'T MARCH IN PARADES AND WE DON'T DO DRILL TEAM. I WORK ON THE SOUTH SHORE AND KNOW A LOT OF SOUTH SHORE FF'S AND THIS IS ALL THEY TALK ABOUT. DO YOU GUYS RACE? NO DO YOU GUYS MARCH? NO THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? WE FIGHT FIRES AND TRAIN. AS FAR AS YOU WEIGHING IN YOU HAVE A RIGHT BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED MORE FIRST. INSTEAD YOU SOUND LIKE ANOTHER WANNABE EMS BOY.

[npfd 520]

eric the ems midget just kiddin with ya stonybrook is a pimple on setauket's ass

[UFM904]

I actually have met Jimmy in an EMT class a few years back, and what I've seen from him, he's a pretty good guy. There's really no reason to start bashin him for his opinions.

[huh]

Jimmy who? WHat the hell are you talking about?

[UFM904]

I was refering to jamespjack who posted on an earlier page.

[jamespjack]

Wow, I give a simple opinion and I get yelled at. Listen, I don't know what exactly what you guys on the north shore do, weather or not you go to parades or you just simply fight fires and train, the issue is still this 16 million dollars. The fact of the matter is that most fire departments on Long Island spend way to much money on apparatus. It seems to me that most fire departments are getting these new fire trucks every couple of years to replace trucks that are still in good or perfect running order. Why is it that a fire department can spend a half a million dollars on a new piece of apparatus, and say that it was absolutely necessary to acquire this, but in turn, it is okay to sell this perfectly running vehicle to another department. I see fire trucks and ambulances at work that have been running for 15-20 years. Not so much the ambulances but the fire trucks. Why is it that the FDNY, one of the busiest fire departments in the country can hold on to and maintain a fleet of trucks for that amount of time and the local fire departments on Long Island, which do on a quarter of the amount of runs need to replace their apparatus every five to seven years. Like I said before, 16 million dollars is way to much money to build a simple building to house the apparatus and entertain the men. The fire district should ask for MAYBE half that and refurbish their current buildings. Once again this is one mans opinion. And you are correct, I only do EMS, I used to belong to the fire department, but unfortunately I didn't have the time to both. UFM904, I have a pretty good idea who you are, and thank you for throwing your hat into the mix and stand up for me. And as always...........Have a wonderful day....... Edited by: jamespjack at: 9/25/04 9:16 pm

[concerned]

I am very concerned the way we, so called "Brothers and Sisters" write about each other. We are all suppose to be one, watching each others backs and maybe even keep each other from getting hurt or killed. We all join as volunteers for a reason. Some for the right reasons..helping people and saving life and property. That is our goal at least, community oriented helping one another. Some join for the wrong reasons, a free-o, pension, a party or two and writing stupid comments on this site. If you did join for other than helping people or your community, you should quit, --pack it in...we don't need you. You are bringing us down. I can understand we all get pissed off at on time or another and may not like every individual, but we must reach our goal of helping people in our communities, put out fires and save lives...that means EMS too......We need to quicken response in our Districts, back each other up (yes even 24's) and get help to people when they call for it. It is not always a pretty picture, but that was the goal from day one. If you think someone needs help or is not as experienced as you, then step up and help train these individuals, we are only as good as the weakest link..yes that means you perfect glory hounds. As for a new building and equipment, well yes we need a new firehouse, or a major and I mean major renovation (big dollars) unfortunately I think 16 mill is very high, taxes are very high already and the proposed structure could be better. It should be more fireman/ems friendly. We need to address new standards, NFPA, OSHA and many other requirements, that is a must. Safety should be a number one priority. We do need bigger truck bays and other things as well.
Commissioners need to grow up, they act like little children, pointing fingers at each other, telling you someone else is to blame for what is going on. Stop playing politicians and start acting like firemen. Tell the truth it may set you free. We know no one person is perfect, but if you are wrong just say so. They way the BOFC has operated this year is an embarrassment to the firefighters and to the public. The Department is not perfect either, but is trying to progress, (I think). Also Commissioners, come out and respond and that goes for all members......just because you have 15, 20, 30 years etc... does not mean you are done responding....I could never understand how you can say I was an active member 35 years, but haven't responded since you hit 20 years.......We have had plenty of members that have responded right up till they were 60 or even 70 years old...that is a true volunteer! they are what volunteerism is all about, they should be given the best treatment that you can ever offer. Those are the members that deserve special recognition, not just anyone who makes it to 20, 30, or etc... years....some people show up for maybe....a few years and then skate...guess what, you don't belong here....skate at the ice skating rink...come out and respond that goes for all members and Commissioner, come out and see what goes on responding in todays world.
I don't where a Commissioner gets the right to go public at a Civics meeting stating the Departments feelings....that is the Chief's job....as for a weight room being the reason members are against this building is totally not true....We don't need a weight room, and I have never heard that at all. A Ladder truck at Station # 1, not a bad idea, but to say that the reason it is on Nichols is because it does not fit a Station # 1, that is not true, it is up to the Chief where it gets stationed. The Ladder truck is positioned on Nichols for a reason and will most likely never be moved. The only way you will see one on 25A is if you buy one for each station. Don't try to sell the public on a bunch of lyes...just tell the truth and they hopefully and will understand. As for the apparatus, all of the apparatus we have is in decent shape, we have a fairly good way standardization of when vehicles do get replaced. The vehicles are maintained fairly decent, but could be a bit better. I think the mechanic is overwhelmed and can not keep up on everything. The vehicles are in decent shape, work well, can put out fires and are very safe, that is what is important. It is also up to the firefighters and EMS to do there share and take care of the vehicles as well. Write up problems and keep them clean.
Keep up a good image, especially in public and that includes this web site. We do a job most people do not dream of doing and I can commend you all for that, but stop beating us down, don't bash other departments, because when you need them, you want them to be there for you. Stop the politics....we are all brothers and sister regardless of District lines, no one is better that anyone else, it is a level playing field and if you read these messages you can see that all Departments have the same issues, just a different name on the front of the firehouses.
Also in closing, --- RESPOND......that is the key....we need people to turn out, get on the vehicles and get help to people when they need it.
Do the right thing....call for help early, call the closest departments and lets get the job done.

[concerned]

You should all think more of each other, show up when needed and work will go alot quicker. Weither it is an alarm, work detail or any function, show you true colors, show your face and pitch in. You should not feel that you did it once and that is enough, or that you have a few years under your belt and dont have to do it or get involved. Please get involved and help a brother out. We should all pitch in.

For those that feel they are perfect, lets see it. Teach people what you know, don't put others down.

For those that feel they have a few years in and did it all, show up, respond and show us all how good you really are.

As for in or around the firehouse. Remenber this saying:

What you do here, what you see here, when you leave here, let it stay here.!!!

follow that rule.

[WestEndCapt]

A little long there, "Concerned", but you hit the nail on the head! Well said! Like I always say, if you have time to sit on the computer writing posts, you have time to check the rigs or teach some new members and pass on your experience in the fire service...NOW, CAN WE MOVE ON ALREADY?

[What is the status]

Setauket FD and one of their contractors how much did they have to shell out for their negligence?

[TM IS A DCK]

There is no civil case, what the hell are you talking about?

TM is a d@*k

[check again dummy]

during the payout phase. Until I was peremtorily challenged by the atty. for the district. Basically because I was going to bankrupt the district in my award.

[You Said It]

You are 100% right. I hate when long time members feel as if they have done there time and feel they only need to show up for dept meetings(If That!) You know what, if you feel you have done your time then get the hell out! Simple as that, no disrespect but you could atleast show up to alarms or drills and pass on your knowledge. Sorry to beat a dead horse but this is one of my pet peeves. Hell, knowledge not shared is knowlege lost! As far as 16 mil for a new house. Yeah, thats pretty steep but in turn you need a state of the art facility that will last. Alot of these older houses are just becoming to run down and to small for todays apparatus. Can we do without some of the apparatus, yeah probrably but the day you need it and it's there it will be worth it and I bet Joe Public will thank you for it. I am sure alot of people will talk crap about Setauket if the house gets built just like everyone talks crap about Coram and their new house. Hell, Medfords house is pretty big but it's been around for awile and therefore no one talks @#%$ or starts rumors about what's inside. Anyone ever see how close Corams tower ladder was to the ceiling of there old house? We are talking inches. As far as Setaukets tower ladder being on Nicholls anyone ever stop to think that it is stationed at the closest station to StonyBrook(Hospital and Campus) Only the 2 largest structures in there district. Anyway, I think I have beaten the horse to death by now but just figured I would share my .02 for what it is worth.

[westender]

what you see here, when you leave here, let it stay here.!!!

That was on the door when I started in the seventies. Shame it's long gone now.

[Author]

but sadly you're still here skippy

[West Ender]

Sorry to disappoint you.

[no prob]

thats ok u'll be gone soon enough gramps

[or who writes]

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[Mikecp421]

bump

You are 100% right. I hate when long time members feel as if they have done there time and feel they only need to show up for dept meetings(If That!) You know what, if you feel you have done your time then get the hell out! Simple as that, no disrespect but you could atleast show up to alarms or drills and pass on your knowledge. Sorry to beat a dead horse but this is one of my pet peeves. Hell, knowledge not shared is knowlege lost! As far as 16 mil for a new house. Yeah, thats pretty steep but in turn you need a state of the art facility that will last. Alot of these older houses are just becoming to run down and to small for todays apparatus. Can we do without some of the apparatus, yeah probrably but the day you need it and it's there it will be worth it and I bet Joe Public will thank you for it. I am sure alot of people will talk crap about Setauket if the house gets built just like everyone talks crap about Coram and their new house. Hell, Medfords house is pretty big but it's been around for awile and therefore no one talks @#%$ or starts rumors about what's inside. Anyone ever see how close Corams tower ladder was to the ceiling of there old house? We are talking inches. As far as Setaukets tower ladder being on Nicholls anyone ever stop to think that it is stationed at the closest station to StonyBrook(Hospital and Campus) Only the 2 largest structures in there district. Anyway, I think I have beaten the horse to death by now but just figured I would share my .02 for what it is worth.

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[guest7]

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[gout]

I would like to know if any one actually knows the status of the 16 million mansion ??? There has been little if no talk at all at the commissioners mtgs. I herd G. Barber spoke at the civics mtg last week 5-11? Any feed back on that As for the apparatus being stationed at sta 3.( thats rite I am a member) That wes the ramblings of 1 Comm. got it 1 comm and if you notice He is not a commissioner any more.I will go on the trecord and say in hios defense he was taken out of context he was trying to sell the size of the new building with respect to new larger apparatus I know not much of a defense but we took care of it

[SFD WET1]

When we sit here and post these retarded posts which are filled with spelling errors, incomplete sentences, and the never ending bashing of each other.

WE LOOK LIKE ASSHOLES

[slobo]

Not everyone can be a typist. Just to bring you up to speed, It is now 17.2 million do to increases. I would like to say although sta 1. needs improvements I do not believe 17.2 mill. is propper.

17.2 million dollars is the cost of the legal bills the board has compiled trying to get out of all their impoprioties, mistakes, screw ups, law breaking and un-necessary firing

You are 100% right. I hate when long time members feel as if they have done there time and feel they only need to show up for dept meetings(If That!) You know what, if you feel you have done your time then get the hell out! Simple as that, no disrespect but you could atleast show up to alarms or drills and pass on your knowledge. Sorry to beat a dead horse but this is one of my pet peeves. Hell, knowledge not shared is knowlege lost! As far as 16 mil for a new house. Yeah, thats pretty steep but in turn you need a state of the art facility that will last. Alot of these older houses are just becoming to run down and to small for todays apparatus. Can we do without some of the apparatus, yeah probrably but the day you need it and it's there it will be worth it and I bet Joe Public will thank you for it. I am sure alot of people will talk crap about Setauket if the house gets built just like everyone talks crap about Coram and their new house. Hell, Medfords house is pretty big but it's been around for awile and therefore no one talks @#%$ or starts rumors about what's inside. Anyone ever see how close Corams tower ladder was to the ceiling of there old house? We are talking inches. As far as Setaukets tower ladder being on Nicholls anyone ever stop to think that it is stationed at the closest station to StonyBrook(Hospital and Campus) Only the 2 largest structures in there district. Anyway, I think I have beaten the horse to death by now but just figured I would share my .02 for what it is worth.
its all good

The setauket commissioners have requested a bond issue for 16 million dollars to rebuild 01, (thats right one), firehouse. While members of station # 02 do not have A/C except for the winter, do not have adequate heat except for in the summer months, and can not park any vehicles on their front ramp as it is currently crumbling.
You might remember a few years ago when the setauket commissioners lost a few hundred thousand dollars when their concrete contractor screwed up the foundations for their refurbish project. They had no general contractor, no project insurance and they ate the money lost. My station - Station # 3 was completely refurbished a few years ago but never finished. So why should anyone think these guys should be allowed to manage a project of this magnitude, I don't and I'm a Firefighter here. Maybe they should try to fix all the problems that exist currently before they move on to a much bigger and more costly endeavor.

Did they ever get this or what?