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TOB FF
07-08-2004, 02:41 PM
How should we respond? Copy and paste from the twelve other threads about this problem? Those who care have acknowledged the problem and will work to solve it. Those that don't are in our business for the wrong reasons or have an agenda like you, the unions and Newsday).
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no more vollies
07-08-2004, 03:10 PM
Read paragraph 6 and 8 for the stuff about the stellar service of suffolk county EMS...don't pay attention to the quotes from this home health aide, she seems to know just enough to harm someone
For infant, a breath of relief
By Jonathan Mummolo and Amaya LarraŅeta
Staff Writers
July 8, 2004
After weighing just a pound and a half at birth, Kayla Vasquez of Patchogue went home Monday night after three months in the hospital. Her mother, Ivette Vasquez, stayed up all night, staring at a device that monitored her only child's breathing.
Kayla seemed to make it through the night fine, but when public health nurse Dolores Welch arrived at the infant's home at noon on Tuesday for a routine checkup, she said she saw something Kayla's parents had not - the 5-pound, 10-ounce girl wasn't getting enough air.
The percentage of oxygen in the baby's tissues, which should always be 90 percent or above, was hovering around 80 percent. An hour after Welch arrived, it suddenly dropped to 68 percent, and Kayla's little face turned blue.
Welch said the attack was an "apnea episode" - a fairly common occurrence among premature infants in which a child's underdeveloped lungs can't gather the necessary oxygen.
Welch phoned 911 and administered what care she could, blowing cool air in Kayla's face to keep her alert and watching the oxygen monitor intently.
Police arrived quickly but after 15 minutes, the ambulance still hadn't come, Welch said. She knew that if Kayla didn't get help fast, she could die.
"This baby has to go immediately to Stony Brook," Welch recalled saying to Suffolk County police officer Robert Kall.
Kall radioed for a police helicopter to land in a nearby parking lot. Welch and the baby were flown to Stony Brook University Hospital's emergency room.
Vasquez got in a squad car. "All the way to the hospital ... I was fearing she wouldn't make it," said Vasquez, speaking in Spanish.
At the hospital, emergency room doctors were waiting. They gave her chest X-rays, checked for blockages and were able to stabilize her, Welch said. Kayla - who would have been born this week had she not been 14 weeks premature - would be all right.
"If [a nurse] did not go in that house we would have lost this baby," said Welch, 45, of Bohemia.
Yesterday, Kayla's mother sat by her daughter's side in Stony Brook's Pediatric Care Unit where Kayla - scheduled to be released from that hospital once again today - was in stable condition.
"I was very worried," said Vasquez, 26, who, like Kayla's father, Ivan Llagzha 30, is from Ecuador. "I don't know exactly what went wrong."
my2cents
07-09-2004, 06:05 AM
Of course what the always fair and accurate Newsday FAILED to report was that the call was in NORTH Patchogue, and that their First Responder wrapped up enroute to this call (which was their 3rd hit).
I'm getting sick of Newsday's constant attack on the fire and EMS susyem; we have enough of our own bad apples, we don't need this rag to incite the public any further.
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concerned
07-09-2004, 06:19 AM
TIME AND TIME AGAIN NEWSDAY BASHES THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND EMS SERVICES. MAYBE THEY SHOULD GO ON THEIR OWN TIME AND TAKE THE EMT COURSE. THEN GO OUT ON THEIR OWN TIME AND VOUNTEER TO HELP THEIR COMMUNITY. MAYBE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FIRST HAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THIS JOB WITH NOT ENOUGH HELP!!!! THEY CAN WRITE ALL THEY WANT(AND USUALLY NOT ACCURATLY) BUT DO THE JOB AND THEN GIVE AN OPINION!
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Sure they could take an EMT course even become Firefighters. What better way to ACCURATELY report a story!!!!!!!!!!
Oh but then again it is Newsday, THEY WOULD PROBABLY JUST LIE ABOUT IT ANYWAY!!!!!!
Hey how many papers did you guys sell today ?
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Lone Oak
07-09-2004, 08:46 AM
YOU GUYS ARE 100% CORRECT ABOUT THAT RAG (NEWSDAY).
I WILL NOT HAVE IT IN MY HOUSE, AND AS A CHIEF I WILL NOT GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION ON ANY OF OUR CALLS !!!!!
BUT---- WHY DOES EVERYONE IN THE FIRE SERVICE KEEP BUYING THE PAPER ?????
GOTTA HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS--$$$$$$$
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suprised555
07-09-2004, 08:59 AM
If the family told the reporter that they waited "X" amount of time for the ambulance and the newpaper reported it, why is that the fault of the newspaper. They specifically stated that this statement was as per the parent.
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TOB FF
07-09-2004, 09:03 AM
It's not just the fire service. Look all over these boards. Everyone hates them but still they thrive. Boycotts were tried before but never succeeded. I wouldn't use the paper to wipe.
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Probietech
07-09-2004, 02:31 PM
I agree...If this was North Patch. 3rd call was it 24d to any other Dept???
my2cents
07-12-2004, 06:46 PM
I don't think so...I believe the sector car transported the patient to a LZ where the helicopter picked her up and the mother was transported by a PD to UH. Now here's something: as noted in another forum, South Country refuses to take 24's but they came for this one.
Why?
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what a surprise
07-14-2004, 03:22 PM
what a surprise that scpd had a helicopter handy to take a baby with apnea to a trauma center.....i'd like to know if that kid was closer to brookhaven maybe by land instead of the wait for a chopper. also, surprised555....the time of wait was reported by the nurse NOT the parent. And the question still should be why SHE (the nurse) waited and hour when the kid's sats were not so hot??? She could recognize the need to take the kid to a hospital and had a HELICOPTER called but didn't know that the hour + beforehand when the O2 sats were at 80% ?!?!?!?
Newsday, btw, ALWAYS favors the scpd.....no wonder the ESU won ems unit of the year......
yeah ok
07-14-2004, 04:04 PM
"Newsday, btw, ALWAYS favors the scpd"
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
Now thats priceless.
ROTF LMFAO!!
DON'T BUY NEWSDAY, TELL Y
07-14-2004, 05:05 PM
First off, it might be tough to make the case that Newsday "always" favors SCPD. Remember when there was a series of articles about police officer and executive police pay and retirement pay-outs? Both NCPD and SCPD faced some intense scrutiny.
The paper's job is to deliver information. The information can never be perfect because humans are providing it, preparing it, and reporting it. When humans are invovled there is always a margin of error. Sometimes there are large mistakes. This is why it is best to get information from more than one source.
If you feel that your department is unfairly represented in the press, do something about it. Do something affirmative and positive. Get a member or members to be public information representatives for your department. Collect information about yourselves about the good things we do. The people we help know we do plenty. Prepare little press releases. Contact Newsday and feed them some of the good stuff. Feed your town's local publications, too. Call Newsday and start a rapport with a reporter who covers these kinds of stories and help get them some positive information.
If the paper has more to work with that is positive, then maybe we'll see happier things in the news. The public still likes to read about about the negative, therefore, the press will always have a mandate to report it.
Instead of putting our heads in the sand and becoming part of the problem, become part of the solution. Lets give the press word on the great things that we do everyday!
UNREG
07-15-2004, 01:10 PM
"Police arrived quickly but after 15 minutes, the ambulance still hadn't come.."
sounds like they're leaning towards pd instead of fd/ems to me? what's "quickly" for a pd arrival to them? 14 minutse?
why don't newsday look at all the bulls#it transport runs from the nursing homes and assisted living because they don't want to wait 30-45min for a transport rig so who gets called? now your on 2 of these and you get a delta . hey newsday take a shot at someone else or get off your dead a$$ and join:">
culloden1745
07-16-2004, 12:21 PM
newsday goes with the hot topic. in this case it is you guys. they will print whatever sells. the public loves a scandal, especially when they "are paying are salaries".
or in your case contributing to the fd. people love to have something to moan about... even when its a free service. i think the problem is its become a taxi service. there should be an ambulance charge for non-emergency transports, those parameters i'd leave to you guys. too often scpd and the local fd are wasting their time on a simple transport. how about when a nursing home or dr. office calls? thats a joke. i show up and the nurses and dr. are mumbling all this medical crap that i have no idea what they're saying.
look at newsday on line today. they print a story about a scpd cop that saves a kids life. no name, just a little blurb. this guys just earned his salary for the rest of his career, doesnt even get his name in the paper
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Rsqrngr173
07-17-2004, 06:53 AM
For the record, BMH has given up most of their pediatric unit. Although the infant would have been stabilized at BMH, transfer to the Pediatric ICU at Stony Brook would still have been necessary. The Helicopter medics (who, as Newsday always leaves out, are not Police officers)are all certified in Pediatric Advanced Life Support and Neonatal Resuscitation, which, unfortunately, the police are not, and the nurse may not have been (not to mention the fact that they did not have any pediatric resuscitation equipment in the police car). Yes the child would have been at BMH within a few minutes, but would not have gotten to the PICU for at least another 1-2 hours. With the helo, the infant was there within 30 minutes, and the job is to get the patient to definitive care by the best equipped transport method.
Just my 2 cents.
Matt G.
LIEMS
08-15-2004, 12:16 PM
There needs to be some charges ($$$$$)or the LAZY medical director needs to emerge from he office and make a rulingon these BS calls we get tied up with all day long preventing the limited supply of people we have to go on the REAL emergencies!
suprised555
08-15-2004, 02:57 PM
Let's set the record straight from the get go. The medical director of the Suffolk County EMS System is one of the hardest working physicians there is. She is in an unenviable position as she attempts to make changes to the system while the "old boy" network in the fire departments (some of them, not all) are working consistently to keep things status quo.
The medical director has asked that any BS calls be brought to her attention. I know first hand that she reviews EVERY one of these calls and does anything possible to prevent repeat calls. The reality is twofold; 1-most calls brought to her attention end up being sick people. Even the drunk on the corner ends up with frequent admissions to the hospital for severe medical problems. 2-all that can be done for those few and far between true nonsense calls is to speak with the patient, family and public health officials in an attempt to work out some type of alternate care/transport. The medical director can only try. As long as she takes our concerns seriously then she is doing an excellent job.
Try and remember that the title of Medical Director in this county actually comes with very little true authority over the EMS system.
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my2cents
08-15-2004, 05:57 PM
I suppose you are the same nozzlehead that doesn't complain about the dozens of false alarms you've responded to at the same house last week with the faulty alarm system. Oh yes, I know what your defense will be..."It COULD'VE been a REAL FIRE!!!!"
I am so tired of the complaints over what you believe are BS calls. What the previous poster didn't point out is that not only does the Medical Director want to know about these calls, she will follow through and investigate the MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS of the patient that you reluctantly transported to the hospital. The last time I looked, she had the initials MD after her name, you didn't. In fact, in over HUNDREDS of cases she recently reviewed for a Squad that had the common decency to RESPECTFULLY request her intervention, 97% of the patients were not only medically appropriate, the majority of them required extended stays in a hospital, some with operative intervention in order to save their life.
Get a life. Get a new career if you're unhappy in EMS. Your tirades are unwarranted.
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yes bs
08-17-2004, 10:42 AM
I have to presume that your post was just designed to get people fired up and to respond to you. I presume this because no living human being could be so stupid as to actually believe what was written.
I guess if we believed you then when grandma, who is in a nursing home, has chest pain we should wait until she goes into cardiac arrest (dead) or shoot her so that her guts are hanging out. Now the ambulance is OK. If not we should take what is probably the only nurse in the building and put grandma in the back of the station wagon for the ride to the hospital. Even with all the $$ in the world nursing homes can't have ambulances because they are not certified to have them and NYS will NOT issue any new certifications.
We as volunteers understand that ambulance calls to physician offices are necessary. After all, the patient who went to the physicians office tried to avoid going to the hospital. They did not burden the EMS system by calling the ambulance. Unfortunately for the patient the physician found a problem that was so severe that the physician felt the patient should not get back in their car and drive to the hospital, they should have proper medical care to the hospital.
Taxpayer
08-17-2004, 08:38 PM
thats funny. my son runs the deli across from the home, he gets 3-4 nurses, rns, lpns coming in every few hours, for cigs, mags etc.
my friends in the local vollie fd tell me how the home, regularly uses them for routine transport, to the hospital for blood tests and the like. they have no problem calling 9-11 at 7 am for a 730 run. any day they feel like it. the various chiefs have spoken to them and they still do it. no different than the various others that use this service as a taxiride or under some belief that they'll get into a doctor faster via ambulance than by selftransport
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Another Taxpayer
08-18-2004, 06:27 AM
I guess you really are surprised, or just have your head in the sand.
Taxpayer is pretty much right on the money.
Usually the nursing homes call 911 because they dont like the 2 hour eta lifestar(or whoever is contracted to do their transports) gave. So they call the vollies to take "grandma" for her dialysis/blood work/check up etc.
Dont want to believe that? Call one of the privates theyll tell you. Their routine response to the 2 hour wait is "Thats the best we can do, if you dont like it you can always call 911"!!
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What Newsday Should Do.
08-18-2004, 07:22 AM
So you want a CORRUPT LYING newspaper, to do a report on CORRUPTION AND LYING?
One question, who can you believe?
How do you know newsrag didnt already do an investigation?
How do you know they didn't find anything that would CATCH the readers interest?
Who would read an expose' that really didn't expose' anything??
Yes you are entitled to your opinions but try basing your opinion on fact NOT hearsay, thats what it is HEARSAY BECAUSE its not going on.
Taxpayer
08-18-2004, 07:45 AM
its on big business using them to get a freebie at our expense. also the no-speakies that use our fd as a free taxi ride, ive seen them do it with our police also.
is there corruption in the vollie fd? probably, why should they be exempt from the problems that exist in every other business out there. the guy that shows up at the calls is still a good guy, for sure.
do vollies drink? probably, but who doesnt? as long as they are sober on their runs, i dont care.
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rob5482
08-18-2004, 01:48 PM
First off I would like to begin by asking a question. Have either of you either vollied or worked for a pvt? Are you even emt's? If the answer is no, then i dont feel you have a right to even comment on this topic. You dont know 1/2 of what goes on to pass judgement.
I have been in ems for over 13 years now, 1st as an emt in the city, then a vollie, now I work for a transport company. Let me explain how it is at the nursing homes.
Due to all the crap they get from the vollies when they call for an ambulance most dont anymore and take the "2 hour eta". Most of the nursing home's nurses arent RN's they are LPN's. They are not trained to the same level, most arent even able to discern a "true" emergency. The ones that have RN's ,good ones at least, know the difference between emergency and not.
While I am on the topic of emergencies, just what do u consider an emergency? I know if it was my family and they needed to go to the hosp and I couldnt get there (most dont even have family anymore) I would want them there as quick as possible.
I regularly get called to SNF's in nassau and suffolk county for true emergencies. Respiratory distress, card arrest, chest pain and yes even finger injuries, which I feel are emergenceis. I know if you broke your finger you wouldnt think is was b/s. But i digress, on these calls when i ask the snf staff why they waited and hour 2 hours etc, the response I get is "oh the vollies yell at us when we call 911"
REALLY now. What right is it of any volunteer to say anything about calling 911??? As of now I am an emt-cc, not an md there are things I call b/s too. But do I complain about it? Not to the patient, not to the family, not to people on this board, not even to the staff at the nursing homes. It is not my place to do so.
So in conclusion PLEASE if you are not in the system dont comment about the system.
Taxpayer
08-18-2004, 08:11 PM
i am in the system my tax money and my donations pay for my firehouse. the only time i've ever called 911 actually my wife did was when my son had a seizure due to a high fever. any other emergency i've transported myself/family.
i am a emt-b myself, have volunteered in the past but not since i was like 25. i am not criticizing the vollies just businesses that use you. if they choose to use the local 911 service let them pay accordingly.
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7th driver
08-18-2004, 08:44 PM
i am a scpd officer. i think the vollies out here are great. but some of what these posts are stating have some merit to them.
a 911 call is a mandatory response. if on a medical call, the patient refuses to be treated he is still checked on the scene by the 1st responders. then they must signed off as refusing medical transport. then i must sign. the fd crew has no choice but to show up. there times the call is b/s. little can be done. i know when a certain house in my sector calls for a transport to the hospital his dr has a appt. with him at, the crew refuses telling him too far only to closest hospital.
i dont know if a fd can charge a fee for service.who would make that determination?
the two vollies defending the fd take a step back, look at what the"taxpayers" are saying neither seems to have an issue with you. the issue is the medical businesses.
personally i cant see any issue someone can have with people that do this just because they enjoy it. dont take any of this as a knock on you guys.
"when i ask the snf staff why they waited and hour 2 hours etc, the response I get is "oh the vollies yell at us when we call 911"
REALLY now. What right is it of any volunteer to say anything about calling 911???"
When the nursing home refers to the "vollies" saying they yell at them for calling 911.......Perhaps they mean the state??
If a nursing home has too many calls to 911 for transport they get investigated by New York State.
Maybe that is who is "yelling" at the homes for calling 911?
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Thank you 7th driver.
NYS EMS protocol is to transport to the closest hospital for a MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Enough of this BS of taking someone to the hospital of THEIR choice because thats where their Dr. is.
If someone calls for an ambulance that means they are having an EMERGENCY and need immediate care.
IF ITS NOT AN EMERGENCY THEY DO NOT NEED AN AMBULANCE THEY NEED A TAXI!!!!!
I've had the pleasure of seeing more than 1 "white taxi seeker" 32'ed for falsley reporting an incident. Just wish a few more PO's would utilize this tool to deter abuse of the system..........
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Vengeful Medic
08-21-2004, 07:35 PM
While I agree with you, SCff, I feel I need to point out (for example) that if you fall within the catchment area of at least 4 different hospitals, then it would behoove the EMS provider to offer a choice to which hospital the patient would like to go (within reason in regards to their presenting condition/differential diagnosis). You should not ever, EVER steer a patient to a hospital for YOUR convenience (since steering is illegal anyways, but then agaijn, plenty of people still do it anyways). But otherwise, a patient should always go to the NEAREST ER when the medical presentation dictates such.
Omar-Fara B. Norgaisse, EMT-P
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rob5482
08-21-2004, 07:45 PM
No scff they mean the vollies not the state. Although I have heard them talk about calling 911 and how it hurts the stats, they have specifically said the vollies.
And I agree, no Volunteer or paid person for that matter has the right to question why they called 911. Although I have been on MANY B/S calls most of them are legit in one aspect or annother.
Anchorman
12-08-2004, 05:04 AM
Long Beach
Psychologist: Keep kids away from dad
Hmmmm...Long Beach. Could it be??
gadfly
12-08-2004, 06:45 AM
Hello! everyone I'm back. I'v been recovering from surgery. Haven't been able to post.Newsday is a corrupt lying rag, who has lost any credibility with many of it's readers.(Taxpayer of Long Island) the Fire service is never without it's critics. For the most part your Volunteer's on Long Island have had many historic changes which resulted in the overhauling of an old management system.Yes I'm sure their are Departments who are still out of the loop, not many.I have returned after passing my OSHA Physical to return back to full duty."Yes thats right" My OSHA Physical not some excuse this procedure is in compliance with Federal and State Labor law, Insurance Laws, of the state of New York, Just to Volunteer.I think if a Volunteer organization breaks the law, they should be dealt with the "full extent of the Law".every Volunteer Fire Department must be Audited annually.What you need to do is attend your Fire District Board Meeting.Also as a Taxpayer the first thing you should be doing is evaluate your Fire Service response agencies and work to make it effective .You should be ashamed of yourself using Taxpayer as a post/ user name.How disappointing you came across as a bright caring person but you are misinformed as most people are.You portray the enforcement of the Volunteer Fire Service as an arrow shot at a tank."I don't believe after all this time the public would allow your local Fire Department to abuse the Law. Your entitled to your opinion.Have you ever heard of ISO, if you have what does it mean to you and your home owner Insurance?.Word of the day can you say (ISO) also LOOK AT THE Newsday CLASSIFIEDS for the posting of Fire District elections being you are truly a Newsday advocate."Remember Volunteers are doing something positive to change peoples lives. Don't minimize it."
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reform
12-08-2004, 09:15 AM
I joined my dept. in 1978. EMS was the days of the big orange life saver and a god send called an AEMT. Today we have PARAMEDICS, EMT-CC, etc... What has happened is every town has changed in culture such as the drunken polls and senior housing, assisted living, hip centers etc.. Ok your pal Dr. Alacandro may review all she wants, a bulls**t call is just that. A drunken poll found and brought to the hospital for the 3rd time this week is a true medical emergency because his liver is SHOT! Oh please stop the bleeding heart crap. Here is a situation on long island its called an ABUSED system. Bill the damn doctors and centers for the B.S. call. Oh yea a paper cut is a true medical emergency because you never know it can get infected. The members of every department work 1 or 2 jobs and try to help. One major problem, how many moms can go to EMT class and be available during the day? Reach out to the community but we need to cut the crap out of B.S. Alarms
WFD445
12-12-2004, 06:42 AM
Get rid of the abuse and the whole picture would change. The County and towns allow these drunks to fester on our streets instead of placing them in treatment. Bingo - couple of hundred calls per year. Someone doesn\'t have a license and their baby has a 100.3 fever? Don\'t call a doctor and a cab. Call the free taxis with lights and sirens on them. And if they do call a doctor? The moron tells them to call us for the ride. Just try to explain how they should call a taxi and it\'s No Habla. Bingo more calls per year. This and senior housing on every available lot (not blaming the seniors so relax) is killing the service.
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Mikecp421
01-09-2005, 04:32 AM
bump
Of course what the always fair and accurate Newsday FAILED to report was that the call was in NORTH Patchogue, and that their First Responder wrapped up enroute to this call (which was their 3rd hit).
I'm getting sick of Newsday's constant attack on the fire and EMS susyem; we have enough of our own bad apples, we don't need this rag to incite the public any further.
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guest8
03-30-2005, 05:14 PM
newsday is the worst paper don't buy it
guesty
03-30-2005, 11:01 PM
:lol:
newsday is the worst paper don't buy it
works great for my puppy though, go to 7-11 at closing and get the 100 or so extra for free, they just need the bar code
Lets Go Paid
08-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Thank God Newsday is telling the story...this horrible hobbiest vollie system has to go!!!! The public needs to know what they're NOT getting for their money.
Of course what the always fair and accurate Newsday FAILED to report was that the call was in NORTH Patchogue, and that their First Responder wrapped up enroute to this call (which was their 3rd hit).
I'm getting sick of Newsday's constant attack on the fire and EMS susyem; we have enough of our own bad apples, we don't need this rag to incite the public any further.
I agree.... We need to keep this kind of stuff under wraps. The public should be thankful for whatever ems service we provide. The have no right to know any more.
Guesswho
08-08-2005, 03:03 AM
I agree.... We need to keep this kind of stuff under wraps. The public should be thankful for whatever ems service we provide. The have no right to know any more.
In that case, return all that tax money back to the residents in your district and find your own way to completely fund yourselves.
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