when will the county wake up

[mpo301]

With the amount of money spend on the Volunteer fire service Nassau could go fully paid and save millions. 71 depts with even the smallest ones with budgets over 3 million, overlapping districts, firehouses located within a few miles of each other, extra building just for the chiefs and commissioners, hugh meeting rooms which doulbe as "recreation areas" and we haven't even talked about the number of rigs. There are enough Engines in Nassau alone to flood the entire island and sink it.I will give you one thing you do know how to keep the politicos in your pockets
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[maximizz91]

Don't forget the heavy rescue that both Nassau and Suffolk have. Only five heavy heavy rescues are in FDNY and how many does N/S have? almost every dept.
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[scFF]

......."and how many does N/S have? almost every dept."
ALMOST isnt good enough!!!!!!!!!!

We MUST do EVERYTHING we can to get a heavy rescue truck to those few departments without one!!!!!!!!!


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[Al]

Ah another CITY HERO ...whats wrong the child porn sites down????

Go have another beer, and plan how you'll split up the "take" from the next job.

[854]

Your post to MPO301 did nothing but show your total lack of reality. Using your thinking I can only assume you are waiting for the tones to drop for the fire you just set.
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[JJD]

If MPO's numbers were right, he'd have a point. I know that my department budget isn't even close to $3 million. It isn't even close to $300,000. Many village departments are the same. Why don't you actually post the figures, MPO, or your source for them, so that your devoted readers can determine for themselves whether you know what you're talking about.

Heavy rescue rigs? Yes, Nassau has a lot of them. It also has a lot of highways, and thus a perennial need to be ready to extricate victims from accidents. Does Nassau have more than it needs? Probably. If you were pinned in a wreck on the Northern State, say around Old Westbury, and the nearest heavy rescue rig was in Hicksville, would you be happy with that state of affairs? Probably not. (I suspect, by the way, that the FDNY was glad that there was an abundance of heavy rescue rigs in Nassau on 9/11, since several of them were called into the city.) How soon we forget.
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[mpo301]

Numbers? Yes $3 million. That's an average of all of the Departmarts, Districts (both Fire & water for those fire companies that hide behind the water district) village and city departments. Just the average. The source is easy check your tax bill its right on there, or ask your mom if you can look at it.

Heavy rescues, another guy that has no idea about heavy rescue companies. The primary job of the rescue company is not car accidents. It is to rescue trapped firefighters in the event of problems at a job.

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[scFF]

"Heavy rescues, another guy that has no idea about heavy rescue companies. The primary job of the rescue company is not car accidents. It is to rescue trapped firefighters in the event of problems at a job."

ROTF LMFAO

YOU do not have the FIRST CLUE as to the vollie service on LI.
Yeah in the FDNY rescue companies have a different priority than here in the "burbs".
I believe the FDNY has a collapse rescue, hazmat,technical rescue,etc. and of course they are the primary FAST team.

But here in the "burbs" the "Heavy Rescue" units combine all of that in EACH department, THEIR primary function being EXTRICATION, not just from MVA's mind you.

And another note "MPO" stick to what YOU KNOW and get the water to the fire......... another "MPO" that has no idea about heavy rescue companies, unless of course the FDNY is putting "pumps" in the rescue rigs now..........
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[Xcapt]

So there are 71 departments in Nassau county and some dept have bigger budgets than others. Lets say each Dept had a Heavy rescue truck .. Big deal. That only means what 71 Hurst tools? OK maybe 2 tools on each rigs.. So you have 142 hurt tools and maybe 100 airbags and thousands of various cribbing. yes FDNY has 5 Rescue Companies and MPO are you forgetting the 100 ladder companies that also have a tool on the rig? Or what about the squad companies? so in actual FDNY has more tools than Nassau County. And if you want to really get into it Nassau County Police ESU has 2 trucks maybe on the road at any given time and they also have a tool so the grand big total for tools at any given time is 144. Now lets see how many tools does NYPD ESU have on the road at any given time not only the Service Trucks but what about the Big Rigs? So as you can see you point about "all the heavy rescues" in Nassau and Suffolk isn't really all that much . And to clarify a quote about the rescue is only to rescue firefighters is crap. Since when is the Rescue Co in FDNY assigned as the FAST TRUCK????? Wake up and smell the coffee buddy. I highly doubt your a member of FDNY and if you are %%WORD168%01 I would be embarrassed to post your company number on here Yea the city thinks Eng 301 is an A house, But if you guys want to fight all the jobs in Brooklyn transfer to a true A house. You Queens MARINE!

[JJD]

You didn't say "average" in your first letter, MPO, you said the smallest has a budget of $3 Million.

I can read a budget. In fact, I'm responsible for passing my village budget, including the fire department component so, unlike you perhaps, I don't need to ask others for details, and if I did, I'd ask somebody who I could trust to get the facts right the first time.

I'll leave it to others to deal with the heavy rescue issue. We don't have one where I'm from, and we don't need one, since we have no highways running through our village, but it's certainly nice to know that Firecom could get us one on a mutual if we needed it quickly.
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[mpo301]

We could only get pumps on rescue rigs if we spent the same amount of money on rigs as the vollies do. Say do those chrome wheels make the rig function better?
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[mpo301]

Few were called to the scene many many many responded
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[mpo301]

Last reply is saved for Al,
I will gladly have a beer from your free-o-s that you have in the vollie house from all your fund drive doorbell ringing! Do you ever tell these people your stealing from that the money they donate goes to free beer and trips to tropical islands?
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[mpo301]

Xcapt,

You also forgot in your little comment to mention that Nassau is not even as big as Staten Island. Maybe we shouldn't compare you to the City of New York, I will agree with you there. Apples and oranges. Just one question, what is that when the one Engine responding during the day has to call the Chief and tell him that they are riding short with Chauff, Officer and one Firefighter. Sounds good enough to me I guess as long as its not your house their going to!!!

And yes Di khead I spent my time in Big Bad Brooklyn and the Bronx. Queens Marine ok I'll take that tittle the strongest fighting force in America. Thanks Edited by: mpo301 at: 7/7/04 1:21 am

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[scFF]

Engine man stop worrying about the funtions of the truck companies.
Yes those chrome wheels make them function better, and its been PROVEN that gold leaf makes them go FASTER!!!!!!!

Also were getting spinners on our next rig, maybe even some "bling bling" for the grill!!!!!

Now can you get back to the pump, they need water on that fire guy.
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[lurker]

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding vollies. I can tell you that my FD does not have that kind of money that you imply. Also yes we go door to door to ask for donations. But ANY..(yes I said ANY) time we go on a trip (Which are few and far between) We go as a company with funds that we earned ourselves. We wash cars and have other means of gaining dollars. This takes up to 2 or 3 years to save. Also our spouses pay for themselves. (NO DEPT FUNDS USED) This also includes our refreshments. (I prefer Diet Coke) Water, Soda, Beer, Any Foods etc... Fund Drive funds are used to support the day to day business of our dept. We also raise money to take care of our own. You have your Widows and Children we have our own version of such. Unfortunately I see that you have forgotten what the Brotherhood stands for, Or is it only CITY guys that can have that title? I'm sure that wasn't the case during 911 when my company and shiny red engine with chrome wheels sat in your firehouse (btw also in Queens) responding to your city calls while the other half of my company members went to the pile and dug like hell to help anyone we could. Amazing the jealousy you feel that you would attack for the most part a bunch of people who give up their time for nothing when all you are looking for is that extra payday. You know what I'm sure you are just a small percentage of FDNY who feels that way. My cousin who was a Capt in the city sure do doesn't. He thanks us all the time.

[Ken]

It all comes down to a Money thing with these City
Dic kheads.

Funny, but we here in the vollie service keep these big ego morons rolling in the dough. We buy their memorial shirts, We attend their seminars. STOP !!! there are PLENTY of knowledgeable Firefighters across the nation who will gladly teach us.

Need to wear and FD shirt ..Make one up for your own Dept. Stop advertising for a bunch of loud mouth drunks(and not wearing one may keep you from getting a ticket LOL).

[mpo301]

Geez you guys are easy. Hopefully you muster up this kind of anger at really serious subjects.

Gotcha
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[VollieCityMaybeBoth]

Hey MPO301, if you are who I think you might be, it is time to stop wasting your time trying to get more people to hate City Firefighters, and deal with the problems you have at home (viz - NYPD), and yes, that is also a hint. Union dues go up and the money is spent attacking the Police Commissioner over some Cop's ignorant statement made on a show that almost nobody knew about, that was until the UFA made headlines out of it - nice work boys.

Unions are supposed to protect/represent their dues paying members, not try and drum up new members for the IAFF by trying to force the Volunteers out.

[firematic]

But that is what they are doing in places like Garden City and long Beach where incredible FDNY guys volunteer to serve their community and the cry baby paid guys can't stand to work with a real firefighter because the paid guys are lucky to get a job every 10 years.

They wash the trucks all day waiting for the bell to ring, they are a joke. They should admire FDNY guys who volunteer instead of calling the FDNY/ GCFD, LBFD guys union rep or their firehouse in the city making up stories. The IAFF and the UFA is a joke, you will never get more paid departments. Its time to go to your local volley house and get an application so you can meet people who enjoy firefighting and don't need a paycheck to do it.

[county]

I couldn't agree more. it is time we ellect bush again and lose Kerry and his marrige to the UFA/IAFF it is pathetic. Love all the paid firefighters but the unions actions have been unaccepible.

[Politics101]

Why are so many Union leaders so eager to support Dems? It can't be for the good of their members - here is why:

Republicans - you may not get too big of a raise, but your taxes and overall cost of living go down and the net effect is you have more money.

Democrats - They will promise you the big raise, and you may even see that extra $100 in your paycheck, BUT your taxes have gone up $200 to help pay for all of the other "give-aways" they have promised - mostly in the form of ridiculously generous social programs for those who don't, won't, and yes, some that can't work, and your cost of living shoots through the roof, hence bigger check, less money. :">

[mpo301]

once again a know it all loser that has no facts. There is no marriage between Kerry and the UFA. No such endorsement exists. But you would know that if you came to a Union meeting or read the papers. Surprised you seem to know so much about the workings of the UFA.
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[FDNY deserves better unio]

Shut up you idiots who think u know it all! AL -UR a Dik, the other azz stop buying shirts NO ONE CARES, 9/11 NYFD had to kick you out of firehouses u didn't want to leave b/c u had a chance to play real NYC FIREFIGHTER 4 a day!!! UNION - that stupid azz cop Lt. made a statement he's a dik but the union acted like a bunch of babies with the news article -GIVE ME A BREAK! Stop bashing back and forth FDNY / VOLLY we do the same F'in job and put ourselves at risk all the same. City guys believe it or not there are some volly companies doing more runs and work then some city companies, some city guys could learn a thing or two from them. Vollies - not all city guys (most city guys) don't hate vollies many are. The union is doing there own thing making some poor decisions when it comes to things like no volunteering, etc. I NEEDED TO VENT SICK OF THE BULLShyT ON THESE THREADS!!!!

[854]

JJD states:

***(I suspect, by the way, that the FDNY was glad that there was an abundance of heavy rescue rigs in Nassau on 9/11, since several of them were called into the city.) How soon we forget. ***

FORGET??? Let me tell you what I REMEMBER:

Some departments were requested to provide mutual aide. Many of them never arrived at the muster points, rather self dispatched to the trade center. Added to them were the units from Long Island and other surrounding areas that just plain showed up, unannounced, unaccounted for and unwanted.

During the night of 9-11 and early morning of 9-12 the FDNY was attempting to account for all personnel both theirs and the other units properly assigned to duty there. The onslaught of freelancing, albeit well intentioned, members from around the area exacerbated this endeavor.

Through the night, the news hungry media soon found out that no members of the FDNY were talking to them, save a few official PIOs. They quickly learned that there were, in fact, many members from "other departments" in bunker gear eager to talk to them and tell their war stories. I cringe when I REMEMBER some of the statements made by them.

Then came the photo ops. Go to just about any Long Island firehouse and somewhere you will find the 8x10 (or larger) pictures of these crews, posewd for eternity in front of the pile.

You know the pile LURKER, your quote is:

***during 911 when my company and shiny red engine with chrome wheels sat in your firehouse (btw also in Queens) responding to your city calls while the other half of my company members went to the pile and dug like hell to help anyone we could.***

I assume they also self dispatched leaving you community uncovered.

So please "Brothers" beat us up. Hate the union and it's members. Continue to broad brush the entire FDNY based on the acts of a few garbage firefighters who are in our ranks, as well as the rank and file of every fire, police, school, business, military, town, country and planet. Do it all you want, but leave your 911 exploits where they belong; in your mind, heart and memory. It's just not an event to beat your chest about.
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[suprised555]

While many volunteers showed up on 9-11 uninvited let's be clear, don't throw stones in your glass house. Hundreds of fire fighters returned to work or went directly to ground zero, many without any gear. Unfortunately some of these are the "heroes" who died. Is a hero someone who does his/her job to the best of their ability to the standards of the service or a buff who shows up without equipment trying to help without any communciations gear and perishes. Hero or fool, you decide.
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[854]

Full Recall: Excerpt form McKinsey:

***When the Chief of Department issued a full recall, thousands of off-duty firefighters and EMS personnel left their families to help the city and the Department respond to the attacks. While the Fire Department had a recall procedure for Fire Operations personnel, it had not been activated for more than 30 years and personnel received no training in its activation.***

Uninvited? NO. Unprepared? Yes. This issue has been addressed by FDNY. Our glass house remains intact.
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[politics]

UFOA Endorses Senator John Kerry - The UFOA will be formally endorsing Sen. John Kerry for the Democratic nomination on Thursday, February 12, 2004, on the steps of City Hall at 1:30pm. We are looking for approximately 50 off-duty Fire Officers to come out and show their support. Primary Day in New York is March 2, 2004. The UFOA will be asking for volunteers to help work in the morning and evening at the major transportation centers located within the 5 boroughs, (Grand Central Station, Port Authority, etc) as well as in the outer boroughs, (Hicksville train station, etc).

[suprised555]

Prior to the fire commissioners hundreds of off duty NYFD members did return to work, many having left only 30 minutes prior to the attack. They, at that time, had not been requested, and as you identifed they did not have any training in what to do. Glass walls shattered, no, cracked, maybe?
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[854]

www.ufoa.org/
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[mpo301]

www.ufalocal94.org/

www.ufalocal94.org/pages/...mbers.html

MPO301 is the Queens Trustee, Engine 301, Former MPO Engine 301???????
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[854]

Wow, what a DEA member. Did you figure out I was a member of IAFF local 854 all by yourself or did you just go back to my other posts where I said I was?????

As for your posting as MPO301, you make a guess because a member of E-301 is a UFA trustee and assume he must be Steve? I think you're wrong on this one.

Either way, what's the point? We both speak our own opinions here. While I don't agree with everything he writes I respect his right to say it, as I do yours.

You like I remain anonymous by name, however, I do not at anytime post using another persons screen name and further use only the screen name of "854" when I write.

My opinions are my own and I assume MPO301 does not write expecting you to believe his opinions are shared by the entire rank and file of the UFA or the UFOA, (two different unions,by the way, "Politics").

For the record, I fully respect the work of the volunteers when duty calls, they respond. I am fully aware of the workings of the Long Island Volunteers being a former member with 27 years served, as I stated earlier. Some of you should keep in mind, like I tell my children,

" I know what it's like to be young and old. You only know what it's like to be young."

The same goes here, I've been on both sides of the fence and know the pros and cons of both. The FDNY is not perfect and I assure you, the volunteers are far from perfect. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
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[854]

***and as you identifed they did not have any training in what to do***

Where did I "identify" this???

I simply stated "unprepared" for a recall procedure which had gathered dust for 30 years. Let's not play spin doctor.
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[mpo301]

Could be? Maybe ? Wasn't like I was hiding here either using same screen name I have always used. Interesting that you figured this out you must have been the smartest in your class. I was not hiding either unlike you that sits at your computer all day figuring out how to post using someone else's screen name and protecting your azz. When I come on here I speak my mind not the voice of the UFA or of the membership. Thats what these boards are all about.

So go ahead investigate all those who post on here and find out who they are and attack when they don't agree with you on something we will all stand and Heil salute you after. cause the only true opinion is yours I assume.

You have continued a tradition started long ago of speaking against Union Boards and spreading half truths and out an out lies. You have no clue of what the UFA is doing and how it operates.The reasons behind decisions may not always favor everyone but it is done with the membership of the union in mind and for the good of all. We do not bend to make things better for those outside the union and will not. Sorry that we can't have you join in but its a groups reserved only for those with enough b lls to stand up and show his face.
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[mpo301]

The IAFF is a strong supporter of the Kerry camp. And the UFA is a member of the IAFF, but if you knew how these things work you would also know that as the parent union the IAFF makes its endorsements. Has no effect on endorsements from the other unions under them.

I assume that you believe our aggressive union stance in IAFF principals has to do with the volunteer amendment to our constitution, while that may or may not effect you since I do not know if you volunteer in a Department that has IAFF members in it, that was brought to the floor at a general membership meeting and voting on by the entire group, not just the ones that like the union.

You mention that the UFA Board will get stronger and stronger to that all I can say is from your lips to Gods ear.

You seem to disagree about the workings of the UFA in supporting its membership. You mention the ads that were taken out in regards to the comments made on a TV show. Can and should we stand and let the reputation of all FDNY members be attacked by one person with a national stage? If we did nothing would we then be guilty also?

Fully paid delegates? Chauffeured Limos? where do you get these things from?

And yes part of this unions job is to piss off the Mayor every once in a while. And as far as your comments about being an Engine man while there I am guilty, you got me and with all of the intelligence of that comment all I will respond with is put four fingers in your mouth and say truck.


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[why]

With the amount of money spend on the Volunteer fire service Nassau could go fully paid and save millions. 71 depts with even the smallest ones with budgets over 3 million, overlapping districts, firehouses located within a few miles of each other, extra building just for the chiefs and commissioners, hugh meeting rooms which doulbe as "recreation areas" and we haven't even talked about the number of rigs. There are enough Engines in Nassau alone to flood the entire island and sink it.I will give you one thing you do know how to keep the politicos in your pockets

Know where it comes from to understand the motivations of the post leaders.
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[whoops]

fully paid trustees / board, not delagates.

chaufered president, not limo.

[854]

Every cent of which is paid for from union dues, not taxpayers. Positions filled by voting members, not seniority. You fail your members, you lose your position.

A sharp contrast to the numerous free rides up the ladder I have seen through the years in the majority of Island fire departments. Total failures promoted through the ranks to the top and nobody willing to challenge and disrupt the apple cart.

For the record, UFA presidents are not known for their longevity nor are the other positions, save the vice president who must maintain a connected relationship in Albany.

Like I said, I know both sides and niether are perfect. Shall I go on?
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[Ufa]

i believe, the ufa board trustees / board salaries is funded by tax payer money as part of the collective bargining agreement.

Additionally, maney of the benefits provided to UFA members, which are threatened to be taken away from FDNY members who are brought up on charges for volunteering, are also funded by taxpayers through the city as part of the CBA.

The city rightly gives the union funds to the FDNY and NYPD to provide benefits that are adapted based on the speacial needs of the firefighters and police.

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For the other IAFF locals on the Island, the union members are "volunteers" supporting their members while still performing their responsiblities as a firefighter.

UFA trustees are funded by the city, the taxpayer.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[for 854]

You seam to be a dedicated and reasoned member officer of FDNY and a former Volunteer officer.

Is the following position of the UFOA president and board the reason you left a life time of service in the volunteer force?

Wouldn't your community be safer with you serving your community as a member of the department and mpo301 serving his community as a member / company officer of the Levitown volunteer fire department as he did for many years just prior to becoming a trustee?

Is the UFA and UFOA actively recruiting dedicated active volunteers as Union Leaders, requiring them to quit, and to focus on "rat ing" fellow FDNY / Volunteer members, as apposed to sponsering real and lasting proactive changes to the fire service for union members in FDNY and on long island?

The UFOA position affects all departments on Long Island and other communities surronding the city!

Has this all been "sqaure rooted" for "square rooters"?

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Members Serving as Volunteer Firefighters - The IAFF Constitution and by-laws, Article XV, Section 3 reads as follows:
Section 3. Secondary Employment
Any member of the Association found working a secondary job as paid-on-call fire fighter or an employee of a public employer, nonprofit corporation, or a private contracting firm providing fire protection or emergency medical services to a city, county, municipality, or a fire protection district as a volunteer, reserve, part-time, part-paid, police officer, police reserve, or public safety officer may be subject to charges being filed against that member.
Simply put, no member of the UFOA, Local 854 should be serving as a volunteer or part-time firefighter EMT or Paramedic. We admire the volunteer fire departments and the men and women who serve their communities. We also recognize the support they give to our membership. We have no issue with any volunteer firefighter or department, but our position is clear, our members should not be part of any voluntary department. We worked very hard passing presumptive heart and lung bills and enjoy unlimited medical leave. When you serve as a volunteer, you are working against union, professional firefighters. We do not work without compensation. All too often we see a fire on Long Island or Upstate, only to see a sea of bunker gear with FDNY on the back. The most egregious violation is when members volunteer in a department that has a paid department as well. Long Beach, Garden City, Eastchester, Middletown, Mohegan Lake, and Newburgh are some the areas where our members serve as volunteers, jeopardizing the union professional firefighter in those localities.
We will send a letter to all out members advising them of their responsibilities to their own members of this local and to our brother and sister paid professional firefighters throughout New York State.

[firefighters oath]

"We do not work without compensation. All too often we see a fire on Long Island or Upstate, only to see a sea of bunker gear with FDNY on the back."

Help / rescue your neighbor anywhere any time has been the noble cause of all members of the fire service whether at work, in town, or passing by.

I do not beleive that has changed for each firefighter and EMS member.

IAFF/UFA/UFOA leadership, stop, only do at work, and not any where else, any time, or you are a scab!, because it is better for the union and everyone???

Working for change within the community and at the political level, and doing what you can locally on a volunteer basis, at least not getting in the way of those that do, seems more logical?

UFA/UFOA was stronger when they were not as tightly aligned with IAFF. The whole reason there is a UFO/UFOA was the NYFD members and officers reconginzed their needs for pay, benefits, and political support was larger than that for the rest of the country.

Are all members better off, are their less firehouse closings under current leadership???

[854]

for 854, you asked:
***Is the following position of the UFOA president and board the reason you left a life time of service in the volunteer force?***

A good question and deserving an answer. I resigned my position in the volunteers for one reason only. Following the WTC I requested a leave of absence so I could tend to my duties at work and be with my family on my days off, without interuption. After 6 months I attempted to transition back into my volunteer deaprtment and was advised that all time after the first 3 months was an unexcused leave in accordance with the bylaws. Nobody bothered to interpret the intent of this bylaw or bother to advise me after three months of leave that I was no longer in good standing. I dropped my badge and never looked back.

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[Ed]

"We do not work without compensation. All too often we see a fire on Long Island or Upstate, only to see a sea of bunker gear with FDNY on the back."

Which LONG ISLAND FD would that be????
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[for 854]

854,

I better understand what it means to be young and old by your experience.

Clearly attending to your job and family following wtc was and always should be the priority and for the volunteer department to approach leave in that manner is flat out wrong in all respects and shows a complete lack of leadership, empathy, and respect.

I should have not raised the question in that manner and will be more respectful in future postings.

[FIRECOMM]

854 Wrote- “Then came the photo ops. Go to just about any Long Island firehouse and somewhere you will find the 8x10 (or larger) pictures of these crews, posewd for eternity in front of the pile.”

854-&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp I have been in many firehouses on Long Island. I have seen such pictures. But There is no house that has a more blatant display of uninvited ground zero –“I am a hero look at the pictures of me dig when I wasn’t supposed to”


Than in the downstairs of the Garden City Fire Department Headquarters. Yes it is a Long Island Firehouse but- it is the section of the firehouse where the paid firefighters have their offices.

After 911 the president of the local union decided to take the utility vehicle that is owned by the village of garden city; the employer that he works for, along with a group of other paid-union members out of Garden City and into the mess in the trade center.

They were not called in there but they went.

That would be great if it was a selfless act but… To this day look on the wall next to all their golf outing pictures and letters in frames and you will see a framed montage of the union’s uninvited brothers posing like the zeros they are on the pile in the world trade center.

So please don’t limit the garbage and the irresponsibility to the volunteers when there are volunteers like the Queens trustee to the UFA union. Who spent his young life as a volunteer in the **FD. Then joins the FDNY like most young buffs. Then quits the **FD with enough time to join the exempts of the **FD then reaps the lucrative benefits of that organization. Then Joins his local fire department in his new town. Then moves his way up to president of the **FD volunteer exempts. Then the UFA board. Then votes against the volunteers, by passing Article XV, Section 3.

Then gets humiliated. Humiliated-as he is thrown out of his position by his fellow volunteers. And now spends his time on the message board. (MPO 301)


~FIRECOMM

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WOW,
If thats true, that is sad.

[mpo301]

Funny how all revolves around 9-11. Never ever us e that day to make a point please. To many friends, to many people and relatives lost. I did not bring it up ever in one statement I made. I asked a simple question.

As for my true name and identity you could be far from the truth by hey the name was one of the ways to get you to respond. Remember anyone can post using any name.

As far as lucrative benefits just what are those?

So go on imagine you know what your talking about and publish his name but as you do give him credit for one thing. He is doing his job, the one he gets paid for, the one he was elected to do and that is the will of those that elected him.


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There are no lucrative bennifits, However the little bennits that are offered, the mentioned member makes sure he get every little one possible. Bennifits that come from an organization that is based on service, as a volunteer firefighter in a department where union members are employed. And you say he is doing his job?? he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He is Mr. Volunteer when he is on Long Island but once he crosses that city line he changes his tune. And wants long island to go all paid.

[Al]

MPO Says "don't use that day (9/11) to make a point"
WELL YOU CITY AZZHOLES HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR EVERY SCREW UP SINCE ..YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELFS.....ITS NOT JUST FDNY'S "DAY"

WHERES THE BIG CANTER FITZGERALD PAGE???? WHO DO THEY BLAME .....THEY LOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAN YOU DID .... THEY HAVE CLASS !!!!!!

[JJD]

I can't speak for other fire departments leaving their districts on 9/11 in order to get to the scene. My own department was dispatched to the neighboring village (by Firecom) to await orders, and that's just what we did until we were relieved. While we were there, Firecom relayed a request from FDNY for the neighboring department's light truck, which was dispatched.

During the day, we heard several requests for neighboring departments to send heavy rescue equipment, which was done. I can't speak for those who buffed it--obviously they shouldn't have. I can only speak of the departments I am familiar with, which seemed to do the job they and their members were sworn to do.
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[Ed]

Nassau County Units were supposed to "Stage at Belmont Race Track. Those with strong leadership and the ability to FOLLOWED ORDERS, watched as truck after truck raced by on the Cross Island into the City. The Biggest Buffoons are the biggest BUFFs.

If there was a fire dictionary they should have the word "Buff" to read, out of control, leaderless, reckless, Jackasses
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[JJD]

Actually, Nassau units were on standby in their own houses, and were to respond to Belmont only when dispatched, if then.

Other than that, Ed, you're right on the money.
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You are right .... had alot on my mind that day

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Ed:
***watched as truck after truck raced by on the Cross Island into the City***

JJD:
***...Ed, you're right on the money***

Two refreshing posts pointing out that, indeed, neither side is without fault. Thanks Guys!
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[94]

Is it true, Mahasset is about to hire firefighters and techs?

Where can I get an application?

[inquestion]

does anyone know of any dept in both counties waking up and hiring housemen or any other positions??? anyone!!!

[onthejob]

Long beach - Cival Service LB

garden city - Nassau Cival Service test

Nissconset - EMS

Melville - EMS

New Hyde Park EMS Part Time

Kings Park in the Future

Westbury, NB, Plainview, Levitown, Elmont, Nassau Count Fire Commission dispatchers

Nassau County Fire Commission - fire instpectors

Nassau County Fire School - Instructors

FDNY / EMS - Best Job!

Brookhaven national labs through Department of Energy

Yonkers

NJ Hudson Regional Authority

Manhasset in the future.

Nassau County Emergency Service Bureau - EMS / Dispatcher

Best Jobs in Nassau and Suffock are the county and village police departments. Go for them before becoming a houseman!

Over time, all departments. Make it happen for your department, vote it in.

[gibbs]

Fire departments accross the county should not have to dip into there budgets to hire firefighters and emts. the county should pick up that tab and if they dont want to then any fire dept thats runs ems should stop doing it and tell the county its there problem now not ours. force the county to put more ambulances out on the streets. Nassau couty should have a paid ems and fire service we all pay enough taxes to cover this expense. any department that starts to pay emts and firefighters is hurting our chance of ever going to a career fire/ems service.

[ahha]

strange position Mr. Gibbs

county solutions are not the only answer.

departments using vol and hired personnel makes sence.

stoping gets people hurt

[suprised555]

It is easy to spout off that we pay enough taxes to have paid fire and EMS personnel but think before you speak. At least in Suffolk it is the responsibility of the fire district to provide fire and usually EMS service for the community and to pay for this home rule allows the fire district to tax the residents. How this service is provided is up to the fire commissioners who are elected by the public (yes, I know that virtually all those that vote are members and family but anyone in the community can and should vote).

Since an ambulance can be staffed with 2 people most fire districts can pay, if they need to, to staff the ambulance whether this is around the clock or during the day when less volunteers are available. While most fire districts have multimillion dollar budgets these budgets are probably excessive for the volunteer service that is provided but it is not sufficient to pay for paid firemen. With the need for 5 per truck and the need for more than 1 truck at a time it is easy to see that it will take a cadre of 15 firefighters to minimally staff the district vs. 2 -4 EMS providers for 1-2 ambulances.

Now before you bite my head off about the "excessive" fire district budgets this is my opinion. Many districts purchase apparatus without a bid system or create specifications for a vehicle that only 1 manufacturer can create. This leads to $800,000 tower ladders and $400,000 engines. It adds $3,000 chrome air horns and $5,000 gold leaf. It allows for the chief, 1st asst, 2nd asst, 3rd asst, safety officer, first responder, district manager, and others to have $40-50K vehicles. It allows for commissioners to have cell phones, vehicles, paid trips, and catered meetings twice per month.

If you question the math look into how many districts have been able to pay first responders or additional housemen to help staff the ambulance but they have not had to raise taxes. Setauket provides a paramedic 24 hours per day but did not raise taxes. The same can be said (hiring paid staff but not raising taxes) for Terryville, Coram, Selden, etc. The reality is that the budgets of the fire districts are padded sufficiently that a $50k or 200k addition to the budget can easily be funded without adding any new taxes.

The bottom line is that the fire districts can save some $$ now if they wanted to but they can't dismiss the volunteers and hire paid firefighters. In most districts families are paying $200 - $350 per year in their taxes toward the fire department. If we wanted to hire and make this a paid system we would probably have to triple our tax paid for the fire service.

Lastly, it is NOT the counties responsibility to pay for this. As stated, the NYS Home Law that allows the fire districts to be independent entities and levy taxes comes with the responsibility that the Fire District provide the service. There is no responsibility that the county provide the service. If we want to consider allowing the county to provide the service are we willing to give up to the county the approximately $80 million in taxes that the Suffolk County Fire Departments get in tax each year and hand over the land, buildings and vehicles that we the residents have paid for after all these years?
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[gibbs]

Its Nassau county's problem not the individual fire Dept's. The county has to step up to the plate and make a fully paid ems services. Eventually the fire district or village will have to raise there taxes in order to keep hiring houseman to do the job of emts. Its not fair to those districts to make there over taxed residents continue to pay for a service that nassau county should be paying. NYC pays a starting police officer, firefighter and emt 32.000 a year each. We pay that x3 to one nassau cop and then rely on a volunteer fire/ems service. WAKE UP PEOPLE for that kind of salary which comes out of our very high taxes the pd should be patrolling the streets in fire engines and ambulances. (when most of you grow up and purchase a home in your community you ll know what iam talking about)

[signmeup]

Lets do it.

[Who Cares]

Who cares - whatever nothing gets done blah blah blah
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[mpo301]

With the amount of money spend on the Volunteer fire service Nassau could go fully paid and save millions. 71 depts with even the smallest ones with budgets over 3 million, overlapping districts, firehouses located within a few miles of each other, extra building just for the chiefs and commissioners, hugh meeting rooms which doulbe as "recreation areas" and we haven't even talked about the number of rigs. There are enough Engines in Nassau alone to flood the entire island and sink it.I will give you one thing you do know how to keep the politicos in your pockets
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[ltjag]

'Cause you persist in beating your head against a wall. That volunteer dogma about the Island being unable to afford to go paid is impossible to overcome. For starters, the taxpayer doesn't care. The only time they do care is when they're standing in front of their burning homes and wondering what the hell's taking the FD so long to get there. Even then, those who do complain about response times are so small in number that they barely get noticed. If there were more fires, perhaps the response time problem would be more prominent in the public's mind. The other thing, of course, is that those involved in the volunteer fire service are adamant about preserving their tradition and way of life. Forget about the fact that the system no longer meets the needs of the Island. It meets the needs of those who comprise it, and that's all they really care about. Instead of calling it the fire service, we should call it the "fire disservice". Thats a more accurate description.

[Rescue you]

Do you really believe Nassau/Suffolk is going to admit a problem of the fire service to the people? The county doesn't want a paid service, though I have no doubt it would be cheaper, b/c of the politics. The cops would be upset - there goes there raises, taxpayers would be forced to pay higher taxes b/c the county would automatically jack them up just for the sake of jacking them up for revenue. If the volly dept's are cut back or cut out all together there's no doubt money redirected torward a paid dept from existing taxes could be paid to maintain a paid dept. Every town does not need 3,4,5 firehouses. If thought out rationally, if it was given real thoughtout detail of how to set it up I feel it wouldn't be as costly as Joe Citizen is MADE to believe!! When u start telling the public you taxes are going up for whatever it may be they won't like it, and of course my house will never catch fire or will I need an ambulance, but that one time they do need a fire truck or ambulance and the FD doesn't come through....?... DO A REALISTIC STUDY prove effectiveness. GCVFD had posted a bunch of weeks ago his tax bill for a paid/volly dept, his taxes are not any different in my town then his, but he can guarentee a fast response of an Engine or Truck to his house. As far as EMS in his community I understand they are trying to work an EMS system into the existing FD but so far they don't have that, but it aint far fetched here's a community that does paid combo and ITS AFFORDABLE....imagine that!

[emt cc]

THE COUNTY WAKE UP

[tops]

hi

[Froggy]

Why didn't someone else on these boards think of that? (borrrrring)

[Mikecp421]

bump

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VOLLIES SUCK wrote:
Just because you sit in a 2 hour class at that shitty fire academy at Yaphank and you hang a crappy certificate on the wall that I wouldn't wipe my ass with, doesn't make you a firefighter either.

Remember, you're nothing more than a garbage man, security guard, janitor, landscaper, dispatcher, firehouse attendant (which sounds important and makes people think they're paid), K-Mart stock boy, plumber, carpenter, used car salesman, or town employee.

You ass-holes are unprofessional, degenerate, parade hounds (so you feel like a real fireman), drunks and losers. You dicks only wish you could be REAL FIREMEN. Your little piss-ant certifications don't mean shit!

YOU'RE NOTHING BUT WEEKEND WARRIORS who play fireman to get away from your ugly wives. All you ass-holes should disappear and let real men handle this and stick to your day jobs of driving street sweepers.

To be a fireman, you actually have to get the trucks on the road guys! You probably aren't real firemen because you couldn't pass the civil serivce test!





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Yadayadayada...Did you forget all the criminal acts like embezzlement, tax fraud, workers comp fraud, pension fraud and on top of the drug abuse, alcoholism, adultery, deviant sexual behavior and arson committed by Volunteers? You guys make the headlines, too. LOL



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couldnt pass a civil service test? is this guy for real? You see the kind of retards that pass this test and get a job. I know a "proffessional" firefighter that I went to high school with and he is a retard!! I mean that litearally he took all special ed, self contained classes. self contained means less than 12 students woth two techers, and thay stay in the same class all day (mostly caise they couldnt open a locker). If this guy passed a civil service exam, than im sure anyone could. Personally, I also took it, and turned the job down. I figured I would rather make an actual salary and be able to own my own house instead of being forced to rent like all of my "professional" firefighter friends, who need overtime to feed their families. Try taking a test that actually test your knowledge, not your ability to read.
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HMMM I THINK THAT A GOOD PORTION OF PAID F/F`S RECIVED THERE START UP TRAINING IN THE VOLUNTEER RANKS. SO WHY MAKE DEROGATORY MARKS AGAINST YOUR OWN KIND?? MOST OF THE NYC F/F`S I KNOW ARE VOL`S ON L.I OR AT LEAST STARTED OUT THAT WAY. LOOK IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME DEPT`S DON`T HAVE THE PERSONEL TO GET OUT AS RAPIDLY AS OTHERS. BUT IT COULD BE STEMMING FROM A FEW THINGS. PRIMARILY WORK ETHIC. ALL DEPT`S VARY ON WHAT SO CALLED "FREEBIES " YOU GET. SOME OF YOUR LARGER FD`S ON L.I GET AWAY WITH MURDER AND GET ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THEY WANT. SAMER DEPT`S MUST WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. SO IF A SMALLER DEPT BUST`S THERE ASS TO GET A FREE T SHIRT OR A BEER OCCASIONALLY. SO WHY CONDEMN THEM. IN MY OPINION IT DOSEN`T MAKE THEM A FREELOADER. ONCE AGAIN I`LL REPEAT WHAT EVERYTONE ELSE SAYS, YES IT WOULD BE NICE TO START UP A PAID SERVICE IN NASSAU AND SUFFOLK, BUT THE PAID PERSON WHO BASHES THE VOLUNTEER F/F WHO`S THE PLUMBER OR GARBAGE MAN OR PORTER OR WHAT EVER JOB IS BENEATH HIM SO TO SPEAK, WOULD BE DOING THAT HIMSELF TO SURVIVE HERE AFTER THE PROB 35-55 % PROPERTY TAX INCREASE TO START UP SUCH A SERVICE. DON`T THROW STONES IN GLASS HOUSES.......................................

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[STARTWATER2]

I WISH MY DEPT HAD A 3 MIL BUDGET INSTEAD OF 600,000

[Jester]

LBLTJAG reads something in NEWSRAG so it must be true....
Please the media makes crap up if they don't have accurate information. Perhaps the three additional departments summoned for help provided FAST/RIT and standby in the empty firehouses to ensure continuous coverage while the department working the alarm did their thing.
Mutual aid doesn't vollies suck always mean that all that manpower was deployed to the scene. Please give me a break with your nonsense just how did you become a LT???? you don't seem like a leader to me just an opinionated s**t stirrer




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How about amateur fire fighter? Thats what you are considered. A civilian giving community service. When you interview for a job and you tell them" Im a fireman" they will say"where" Suffolk...whatever town, they will say "oh volunteer'', its not a profession, you are not considered a fireman. You are a amateur firefighter. No shame in that


Here's the definition taken word for word from www dictionary.com
I'm sure the Webster version is the same.

firefighter

n : a member of a fire department who tries to extinguish fires [syn: fireman, fire fighter, fire-eater]

Also notice it includes the synonym: Fireman

I've tried to find the reference to paid or volunteer in that official definition but, wouldn't you know it, I can't. If you look up FIREMAN, it also makes no reference to paid or volunteer. I guess that makes it official. A fireman is a fireman, paid or volunteer. Never be persuaded to believe anything different.



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I know when I interviewed for scpd, they said the same thing. Volunteer firefighter isnt a profession, its considered community service, I argued for a while, but they classified it as this years ago. Professional is paid, amateur is considered volunteer. In some ways the investigator told me it is better, holding a job, and volunteering on my own time because I like helping people.


What I was MAINY replying to was the phrase in a previous post that stated "you are not considered a fireman". I couldn't care any less if some of you insist on making an issue out of "amateur" vs. "professional" but don't ever try to convince me that because I'm volunteer that I can't consider myself a FIREMAN. That's one of the most rediculous things I've ever heard. By the way, when I do tell someone I'm a fireman and they ask where and I tell them my department and they say "oh, volunteer", I very proudly tell them "That's right." There's no shame at all in doing something for free that others won't do unless compensated monetarily.



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The sad truth is that the cops often get there first in most communities here on the Island. This is because they are on-duty and staffed around the clock while the FD's are not. They don't need to get up, get dressed, get to thier car, drive their car to the firehouse, wait for some semblance of a crew and then drive to the scene. This is why you often here of the Cops making a "grab" of a fire victim. The Newsday story states the FD was there in "minutes". That leaves alot of room for interpretation. Was it 6 minutes or was it 59 minutes. It just seems that a victim who was conscious and at the window yelling out for help should have been extricated before succumbing to the smoke, I don't care how big she is.

The story makes issue of the fact that the victim weighed 300+ pounds. Just take a look at the fire service. There are a good many 300+ pound members. Does this mean that we are incapable of dealing with victims of size? If so your department better have its biggest and strongest members on the RIT or FAST Teams. I guess the message here is that if you are over a certain weight and your house catches fire than you're on your own to be able to get out.

This was plain and simple an avoidable fatality. A timely response with adequate numbers of competent personnel would have produced a different outcome. EM does not want for firehouses, but even if there's a firehouse on every corner what good is it? Without staffing, and adequate staffing at that, all the impressive buildings and shiny trucks aren't worth a damn.








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lbltjag, you are a complete imbecile.....

If you truly knew anything about the call receiving and dispatch methodologies of most jurisdictions, you would know that PD gets the job first before anyone else does. Regardless if the CRO turfs the call off to an EMS, Fire, or PD Operator, PD always gets the job first on their screen (which is why they usually get to the job first long before anyone else does). But since we know that your purpose here is to bash vollies, I really won't say more on the subject. But I will say again that you are an imbecile...........

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Shut up you idiots who think u know it all! AL -UR a Dik, the other azz stop buying shirts NO ONE CARES, 9/11 NYFD had to kick you out of firehouses u didn't want to leave b/c u had a chance to play real NYC FIREFIGHTER 4 a day!!! UNION - that stupid azz cop Lt. made a statement he's a dik but the union acted like a bunch of babies with the news article -GIVE ME A BREAK! Stop bashing back and forth FDNY / VOLLY we do the same F'in job and put ourselves at risk all the same. City guys believe it or not there are some volly companies doing more runs and work then some city companies, some city guys could learn a thing or two from them. Vollies - not all city guys (most city guys) don't hate vollies many are. The union is doing there own thing making some poor decisions when it comes to things like no volunteering, etc. I NEEDED TO VENT SICK OF THE BULLShyT ON THESE THREADS!!!!
true......

ou didn't say "average" in your first letter, MPO, you said the smallest has a budget of $3 Million.

I can read a budget. In fact, I'm responsible for passing my village budget, including the fire department component so, unlike you perhaps, I don't need to ask others for details, and if I did, I'd ask somebody who I could trust to get the facts right the first time.

I'll leave it to others to deal with the heavy rescue issue. We don't have one where I'm from, and we don't need one, since we have no highways running through our village, but it's certainly nice to know that Firecom could get us one on a mutual if we needed it quickly.

what is this all about

what is this all about

Don't forget the heavy rescue that both Nassau and Suffolk have. Only five heavy heavy rescues are in FDNY and how many does N/S have? almost every dept. 8)