Imploding EMS System

[thearchitect]

You are a volunteer. You spend endless hours training, and devoting yourself to your community, "working for pride, not a paycheck" (are you kidding me people) and these days recognition is scarce.

So why do you Volunteer? Why let this headache of a career steer your life in a direction you don't want it to go? Simple, you love it. You can't help but love it. It makes you a part of something. It may even make you feel good about yourself, like you have some sort of meaning here.

Let's get on with it....

Suffolk County has been a volunteer system for many years. Throughout the years our EMS system has sufficed, but no longer is this the case. Everyday, departments activate endless requests for additional manpower, which in the end just delays there inevitable request for mutual aid.

Everyday in Suffolk County approximately 200 - 300 residents dial 9-1-1 and request an ambulance response.
While this number grows and grows, our EMS system continues to fail, over and over again.

Unfortunately...

While you the volunteer, are attempting to provide your community with some sort of EMS service, you are actually hurting the cause. You are probably a part time volunteer, a part time provider with part time training. Your skills aren't really up to par, and you just don't have ENOUGH time to contribute as much as is needed. You are short changing the residents of this County by not providing sufficient care to it's residents. But don't worry your not alone. The entire EMS community is full of people just like you.

So here's my idea... (and I know it's been talked about but this should make it happen very quickly)

What if everyone resigns from his/her volunteer organization? The answers...

1. The County will be forced to resort to a paid system, essentially creating 100's of jobs.

2. Providers will be BETTER trained, therefore raising the level of care here in Suffolk County.

3. Response times will be a lot faster.

4. Mutual Aid will be used by the FD for additional brush trucks instead of by a community ambulance for the 6 year old drowning victim.

5. Lives will be saved.

This idea can really work. The only people who don't support this are the volunteers who just don't get it. The ones who volunteer "because their friends do." Keep in mind people, you're here to provide a service to a community. If you or your department cannot provide this service in a timely and adequate fashion, your not doing your job. Id hate for it to be YOUR drowning 6 year old brother waiting for an ambulance.

Now don't get me wrong, I would personally like to thank the few who do it the right way.

South Country Ambulance, arguably the best ambulance company in Suffolk County has found success. (No, I am not a member, nor do I care to be, but I will use them as an example) Under the leadership of Greg Miglino, South Country has an astonishing record of response times and patient care.

South Country Ambulance pays several full-time employees during the weekly day time hours, all with various job descriptions, that are allowed to abandon their payed duties (essentially leave work) to ride the ambulance. At night the volunteers cover the district by either responding from home or sleeping in quarters.

Greg's system no matter how argued, is working. However, so many other departments, even if they were paying full timers during the day (some departments pay 1 or 2 first responders) do not have an adequate membership base to cover the departments calls at night.

This lack of membership, which essentially is a lack of leadership, leads to the County stepping in to control "signal 3" times and mutual aid times. Great idea! But why don't we stop wasting everyones time!

That brings me back to the beginning. Maybe you should QUIT! This is the only way to make this happen. The only way we can make this County safer.

The Architect

P.S. This would also stop all your childish bickering about what Chief is in who's district, and who talks mean to people and who doesnt like who, wouldn't it?

[854]

Point # 5 is all that needs to be said:

<<5. Lives will be saved.>>

No price tag is too large! You can't get quality for free. Not anywhere, not anytime.

4-5 minutes from call to arrival. This should be a standard and it should be maintained. As of today there is none, at least not a realistic one.
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[Where are the Volunteers?]

Simple answer: A combination Municipal/Volunteer force.

[toocuteemt]

I believe your points are valid but I prefer to be a vollie. I take the idea that I do this to save lives personally. I continue my education even if I am not doing CME's. I am a professional volunteer.

People do have to understand that they hold people's lives in their hands and should take a serious approach to it.

Yeah it would be nice to get a paycheck for what we do but I don't know if I would have that same feeling when someone thanks me for helping their loved one.


Michele Barrett

[Mikecp421]

The only thing left out of that sparkling dissertation is your name! You should help make that happen and I know of many that are on your side! Congratulations for a well thought out, lucid and intellectual topic!

Mike P.

[Vengeful Medic]

Michelle...you're in Mastic, right??

(just wondering if you are the same toocuteemt that was on Yahoo)
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[toocuteemt]

I am a member of Shirley....love it there!!!! Maybe one day I will be an associate member of Mastic. Great bunch of people there also.

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I love Shirley too. She was awesome last night!
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[Probietech]

As being a old member of South Country, yes Greg has a great system to get people to cover calls and not have a 24's like not going to a neighboring district to help them whan needed. But the techs he has are not the best at all.

While I was there I saw many things that were out of protocol it was sick. Like during the summer months the uniforms are Shorts and a T-Shirt, nothing OSHA approved at all. I have seen more then a few people get blood and cut on calls while in shorts. But what does the DOH do nothing.

There are many members there that are not happy when the call is a basic BLS call only to get bumped off by and over Zelous "Chief" so they can run it ALS. Trust me it happens. So SC is not all it is cracked up to be.

I hope one day the system will fix it self and not have to go paid but at this rate all Depts. will need to have paid people there at least part of the day.

[FireMedic096998]

I agree with Mike, well thought out architect. The county just does not have the resources available anymore. The county needs to put in place a system that will work ALL the time. Call volume keeps increasing with the same steady in and out flow of people from our organizations. While I agree with Michelle also, you get the same sense of pride from that Thank You whether you get a pay check or not. Lets be honest the pay isn't that good no matter where you go anyway. This is a lifestyle, not a job. People don't do this for the money, that I can be sure of. Ask anyone that has been around for a little while. While you can get by, you will never be a rich man/woman. Be Safe.......
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TM I would like to thank you for bringing some humor to this otherwise sometimes very vicious board. I especially enjoy the movie quotes. Keep up the good work turning out the classic one liners.

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[Nozzleman703]

FireMedic096998, dude u need to fuckin chill out. I'm glad you feel all giddy about riding on an emergency calls, but its not a "lifestyle", its a profession. Go out with your buddies and drink a six-pack, or chase some women around, not ambulances. Public service is not a fuckin hobby, so stop being such a tool and get a fuckin life...

_UNION and PROUD of what I do

[FireMedic096998]

You don't even know me, yet you assume to know what you are talking about. I do it for a living and I love what I do. I don't feel the need to explain myself to an idiot like you. It is a lifestyle, if it is just a job for you then you need to change professions. You either love this work or you don't. Some people don't get it, obviously you are one of those people. For you to even write anything about me shows that you are a classless idiot that doesn't have the balls to sign his name to his work. Well ask around, you have anything of substance to say, I am easy to find. Until then, keep your idiotic opinions to yourself.......
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[Happy]

chill out dude!why so sensitive ? Is it true? Yes some people have a job and get paid.But there are a handful of people in your area that are there for the perks like (cell phone,gas expense,trucks use...)That's sad.....

[Vengeful Medic]

It's not a matter of perks (which mean nothing if the "job" is getting done...and I mean job in terms of the ambulance getting out the door...not whether or not you're paid...), but a matter of mindset. There are a lot of people in EMS (and this is all over) that treat this like a job..a means of earning income...and nothing else...whereas there are others that do this (be it paid or volunteer) and enjoy doing it...no matter what they may (or may not) be getting in compensation for their services...and I'd like to think of myself as part of this latter group. EMS is a Lifestyle. You cannot get into this field and say, 'hey, I'll make some good money here'. Yeah? Come see me after 5, or if you're lucky 10 years when your back is about to give out and tell me you'll still do this job. Tell me you'll still pick up that skell in the corner who had a few too many...tell me you'll try to transport that EDP who you know is about to tear your ass apart...tell me you'll pick up that snot nosed little kid who always has a cold and mom doesn't take him/her to the doctor for a proper evaluation and long term care...tell me you'll still be doing this job. If you are, then guess what...you're not in it for the money (or lack thereof), but here for the lifestyle and everything that goes with it...good or bad...BS call or Almighty Trauma night.....Just a thought. Thank you.

Omar-Fara B. Norgaisse, EMT-P
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[BUSYBODY]

FIRST, EVERYONE IN NYS GETS THE SAME STATE CERTIFICATION TRAINING-E/CC/P, VOLUNTEER OR PAID. SO FORGET THAT ARGUMENT.
YES, CALL VOLUME IS ALWAYS GOING TO GO UP. WITH EVERY VACANT FOOT OF LAND BUILT ON AND OF COURSE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BUILDER ,WITH TOWN APPROVAL, TO THE HIGHEST DENSITY POSSIBLE, NEW IMMEGRANTS, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE, WHO DON'T HAVE A DOCTOR NEVER MIND INSURANCE. IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE L.I. WILL BE NYC EAST BOTH IN POPULATION AND ATTITUDE. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
IF THE TRUTH BE TOLD, NYC FF AND EMS "PROFESSIONALS" DON'T HAVE THAT AWSOME A REPUTATION THESE DAYS OR MAYBE WE ARE JUST BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL LIKE BEFORE. I'M SURE IF THE SAME STUDY WAS DONE IN NYC AS IS PLANNED FOR SUFFOLK THEY WOULD NOT FARE ANY BETTER. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY VOLUNTEER BEING ACCUSED OF STEALING A PATIENTS JEWELRY DURING TRANSPORT, DRUNK OR COKED UP ON A CALL. REMEMBER HOW LOVINGLY THE S.I. BROTHER FF TREATED EACH OTHER LAST NEW YEARS. THEY KEEP THEIR DIRTY LAUNDRY AND PERFORMANCE HIDDEN FOR THE MOST PART.
WE ARE NOT ANONOMOUS OUT HERE LIKE THEY ARE IN THE CITY. WE LIVE HERE, WE TRANSPORT OUR NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND FAMILIES. THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE AND WHERE THEY CAN FIND US. TAXPAYERS HAVE VOTED IN MOST OF OUR COMMUNITIES TO SUPPORT A LENGTH OF SERVICE AWARD BENEFIT FOR OUR OLD AGE. KINDA LIKE GETTING PAID LATER FOR DOING THE JOB TODAY, LIKE WIMPY IN THE POPEYE CARTOONS "I WILL GLADLY PAY YOU TUESDAY FOR A HAMBERGER TODAY".
YES AGAIN, WE (EMS) HAVE BOBBLED THE BALL, NOT DROPPED IT ALL TOGETHER. THE FD COMMUNITY ON L.I. HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH FIRE PREVENTION. SO MUCH SO THAT IF "THEY" HAD AS MANY RUNS AS THE EMS UNITS IN THEIR JURISDICITON YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME PROBLEMS. THERE IS ABOUT A 10 TO 1 RATIO OF FF TO EMS PERSONNEL AND THE OPPOSITE OF CALL RATIO FOR FIRE AND EMS. THE IAFF UNION IS SALIVATING OVER THE PROSPECTS OF TAKING OVER FIRE/EMS ON LONG ISLAND. "IF WE CAN BREAK LONG ISLAND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS OURS" UNION BOSSES. EMS IS THEIR FOOT IN OUR BACK DOOR OR UP OUR BUTTS, IF YOU WILL. THERE IS ALSO A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT THE POWERS THAT BE IN SUFFOLK HAVE THEIR OWN AGENDA TO CREATE THEIR OWN MONOLITH EMS AGENCY. POSITIONING THEMSELVES FOR A CUSHY RETIREMENT JOB.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THE PAID EMTs ARE COMING FROM? THEY ARE NOT DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FROM MARS, THEY ARE US. WE ARE CANIBALIZING EACH OTHERS VOLUNTEER STAFF, WHO HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATION OR MAYBE IT WAS JUST PLAIN POOR LEADERSHIP IN NOT UTILIZING A RESPONSE PLAN OF SOME KIND LONG BEFORE NOW. INSTEAD OF "OOPS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING", TOO LATE- 24 TIME!!!!!.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE RECOMMITMENT OF THE WONDERFULLY DEDICATED AND TRAINED MEMBERS, PUBLIC EDUCATION-WHAT'S REALLY AN AMBULANCE WORTHY CALL, MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO CALL EARLY NOT IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES OF LIFE. DOCTORS AVAILABLE TO PATIENTS FOR INFORMATION ON THEIR CONDITION AND WHAT TO DO IF.......AHEAD OF TIME. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, NO! YOU WILL NOT GET "IN" QUICKER IF YOU ARRIVE BY AMBULANCE.
BY THEY WAY, THAT GREG MIGLINO-PAID ADMINISTRATOR ($80,000+)/VOLUNTEER CHIEF-ISN'T HE THE ONE WHO STOOD UP (ON A STEP STOOL) AT HIS SO.COUNTRY AMBULANCE MEETING AND TOLD HIS MEMBERS HE EXPECTED TO BE ARRESTED SHORTLY? MAYBE SHARE A CELL NEXT TO FRED TOWLE? YEA, THAT'S HIM!!!.

[VOLLY]

I am both a volunteer in Suffolk County and a paid EMT for the city of New York. Dont tell me we are hurting the cause by volunteering. If you actually looked into paid systems you would realize they are just as bad. I was working the other day while a call was held for over an hour. By the time a rig responded the patient had already left because they could no longer afford to wait. And thats a paid system. And take it from a paid guy, most people work EMS only because its what they know and they get a paycheck - It not about the patients. So rethink your ideas

[Vengeful Medic]

Do you know for a fact that it is most people...or just most people you know? Because I can turn around and tell you that most people I know are in EMS because they love dealing with the patients, not the paycheck. In fact I know of other people who got tired of working inside of four walls, and wanted to try (and subsequently like) the "outdoorsy" EMS field. It's not I who needs to rethink my ideas.....perhaps (and this is only a suggestion) you should not....limit your view. Thank you.

Omar-Fara B. Norgaisse, EMT-P
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[VOLLY]

Trust me i do know that most people do it for the paycheck. I also know there are good techs out there that do care about patients and do the right thing, however there are way to many who dont care. The stories i hear and see are not right. People burn out and just dont care anymore. They force RMA's out of patients, have them sign that they refused treatment without the patient knowing so they dont have to work harder, denying someone O2 b/c they dont feel like carrying them downstairs, the list goes on. At least with vollies when people burn out or just dont care they usually just leave EMS. For the good techs in the city keep on doing what you are, because there isnt many of you left. At least some patients will get what they really deserve.

[Vengeful Medic]

I rarely get good compliments )

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[Vengeful Medic]

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[Mikecp421]

this was all the way on page 10 but now it top of the forum!!! For my 35th post!!

[thecleft]

Possibly

[lbltjag.]

Alas a paid fire service here on the Island will never be more than a dream. Why? Because government never, ever, does the right thing. Instead of confronting the serious failure that is the volunteer system, our chosen leaders instead bury their heads in the sand. One poster here suggests that we will only see a push for paid or part paid departments after some politicians family member lies waiting 45 minutes for an ambulance. Maybe. But I don't even think that will get it going. The problem is that we are saddled with all these little fiefdoms and, with them, their Napoleanic leaders. They are too enamored of their status within their organizations to publicly admit that which they absolutely know in their hearts: The system sucks. The answer, of course, is consolidation of departments coupled with either town or county-wide paid members. This should be for both Fire and EMS. Everywhere else in the country Fire and EMS are grouped together to give the taxpayer the best public safety value for their tax dollar. Splitting them only leads to increased costs due to the separate lines of management and leadership that each branch would demand. This is just not neccessary. The world of public safety is ever changing. It is absolutely remarkable that the system for providing it is so stubbornly resistant to change. It seems that everyone agrees that something has to be done about the EMS aspect, but everyone seems to turn a blind eye to the Fire side of the public safety equation. Just the other day there was a picture in Newsday of a garage fire somewhere which I felt was a perfect depiction of the state of the fire service here on the Island. There was a ripping fire in an attached garage. There on the driveway apron was one FF suiting up to initiate an attack. The story went on to say, I think, maybe three departments were called in for manpower. Thats just wrong. You should not need to summon two or three neighboring departments in order to muster enough manpower to confront a house fire. If your department can't put a staffed engine and ladder at scene within 10 minutes of a call than your department is not meeting its obligation to its taxpayers. Of course, there will be those who respond to this post with the usual chicken little BS about how we can't afford a paid service here on the Island. To them I say take a look at what is being spent collectively for fire and EMS protection island-wide. I think you'll find that the money is there. As to those who think the salaries would go the way of the PD's, I can tell you first hand that you are dead wrong. As an 11 year Lt. here in LB, my base is far eclipsed by a fifth year patrolman in our PD. This is because the PD are not threatened by the auxillaries like the paid FF's are by the volunteers. There's no reason to think this wouldn't be the case everywhere else that combination departments set up. So, a combination system invariably exerts a downward influence on the wages of those who comprise it's paid component. There is money for combination departments here on the Island. More importantly, there is a glaring need for them. The only thing standing in the way is the volunteer departments. As long as we continue to elect invertabrates into public office nothing will change. It is incumbent upon those within the volunteer fire service to look themselves in the mirror and admit failure. Not for a lack of good intentions mind you, but good intentions don't get the job done. The fire service needs to wake up to reality and urge our politicians to earnestly pursue the institution of combination departments. This is the only way we can meet the needs of the public who rely on us. How 'bout it fellas?

[lbltjag.]

Alas a paid fire service here on the Island will never be more than a dream. Why? Because government never, ever, does the right thing. Instead of confronting the serious failure that is the volunteer system, our chosen leaders instead bury their heads in the sand. One poster here suggests that we will only see a push for paid or part paid departments after some politicians family member lies waiting 45 minutes for an ambulance. Maybe. But I don't even think that will get it going. The problem is that we are saddled with all these little fiefdoms and, with them, their Napoleanic leaders. They are too enamored of their status within their organizations to publicly admit that which they absolutely know in their hearts: The system sucks. The answer, of course, is consolidation of departments coupled with either town or county-wide paid members. This should be for both Fire and EMS. Everywhere else in the country Fire and EMS are grouped together to give the taxpayer the best public safety value for their tax dollar. Splitting them only leads to increased costs due to the separate lines of management and leadership that each branch would demand. This is just not neccessary. The world of public safety is ever changing. It is absolutely remarkable that the system for providing it is so stubbornly resistant to change. It seems that everyone agrees that something has to be done about the EMS aspect, but everyone seems to turn a blind eye to the Fire side of the public safety equation. Just the other day there was a picture in Newsday of a garage fire somewhere which I felt was a perfect depiction of the state of the fire service here on the Island. There was a ripping fire in an attached garage. There on the driveway apron was one FF suiting up to initiate an attack. The story went on to say, I think, maybe three departments were called in for manpower. Thats just wrong. You should not need to summon two or three neighboring departments in order to muster enough manpower to confront a house fire. If your department can't put a staffed engine and ladder at scene within 10 minutes of a call than your department is not meeting its obligation to its taxpayers. Of course, there will be those who respond to this post with the usual chicken little BS about how we can't afford a paid service here on the Island. To them I say take a look at what is being spent collectively for fire and EMS protection island-wide. I think you'll find that the money is there. As to those who think the salaries would go the way of the PD's, I can tell you first hand that you are dead wrong. As an 11 year Lt. here in LB, my base is far eclipsed by a fifth year patrolman in our PD. This is because the PD are not threatened by the auxillaries like the paid FF's are by the volunteers. There's no reason to think this wouldn't be the case everywhere else that combination departments set up. So, a combination system invariably exerts a downward influence on the wages of those who comprise it's paid component. There is money for combination departments here on the Island. More importantly, there is a glaring need for them. The only thing standing in the way is the volunteer departments. As long as we continue to elect invertabrates into public office nothing will change. It is incumbent upon those within the volunteer fire service to look themselves in the mirror and admit failure. Not for a lack of good intentions mind you, but good intentions don't get the job done. The fire service needs to wake up to reality and urge our politicians to earnestly pursue the institution of combination departments. This is the only way we can meet the needs of the public who rely on us. How 'bout it fellas?

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[Unregisteredbump]

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[Unregisteredlbjagsux]

Jay sux.

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EMS to FRES YES the best thing that ever happen

[Unregisteredwhen]

EMS to FRES YES the best thing that ever happen

when?

[Unregistered 6969]

Never.
Not ever.
The "interviews" being conducted right now are overwhelmingly in disfavor of the move.
Why?
Arrogance.
Stupidity.
Inability to comprehend simple basic management concepts.
Unwillingness to see beyond their blue-colored glasses.

How's this for an example:
Female joins local FD.
Female is told at time of joining: "Don't worry...your schooling and job comes first."
Female decides to enroll in EMT class.
Female completes EMT class and becomes gainfully employed as EMT.
Female firefighter is scolded by FD officers for becoming EMT, despite their department having less than 5 active EMS volunteers.
Female firefighter attempts to reason with FD officers, yet in retaliation, is suspended for "firematic inactivity" and told to return uniform and is placed on probation.
Female firefighter leaves FD and is seeking membership in volunteer community ambulance - has appointments for interviews with 3 different squads.

Don't think it happened?
Believe it. Ask the department on Jericho Turnpike the old 6th. and the Toyota dealer (hint).

I have more...I'll be posting.

[Unregistered0987654321]

Never.
Not ever.
The "interviews" being conducted right now are overwhelmingly in disfavor of the move.
Why?
Arrogance.
Stupidity.
Inability to comprehend simple basic management concepts.
Unwillingness to see beyond their blue-colored glasses.

How's this for an example:
Female joins local FD.
Female is told at time of joining: "Don't worry...your schooling and job comes first."
Female decides to enroll in EMT class.
Female completes EMT class and becomes gainfully employed as EMT.
Female firefighter is scolded by FD officers for becoming EMT, despite their department having less than 5 active EMS volunteers.
Female firefighter attempts to reason with FD officers, yet in retaliation, is suspended for "firematic inactivity" and told to return uniform and is placed on probation.
Female firefighter leaves FD and is seeking membership in volunteer community ambulance - has appointments for interviews with 3 different squads.

Don't think it happened?
Believe it. Ask the department on Jericho Turnpike the old 6th. and the Toyota dealer (hint).

I have more...I'll be posting.
It sounds more like a leadership and management problem in Coram not having anything to do with one county department being moved into another.

[Unregistered 6969]

Nope, wrong guess.

I'm not citing specific departments, I citing attitudes that prevail.

Here's another:

Female attempts to join local FD.
Ex-chief and current current commissioner during interview with female candidate states "you know, this is a fire house, full of fireMEN. We don't like women coming into the FD so we can't guarantee that you won't be raped or something..."

Don't think it happened?

Ask the department on Horseblock Road...

I've got more.
Keep posting.

[Unregistered444444999]

farmingville

[UnregisteredWTFMan]

Nope, wrong guess.

I'm not citing specific departments, I citing attitudes that prevail.

Here's another:

Female attempts to join local FD.
Ex-chief and current current commissioner during interview with female candidate states "you know, this is a fire house, full of fireMEN. We don't like women coming into the FD so we can't guarantee that you won't be raped or something..."

Don't think it happened?

Ask the department on Horseblock Road...

I've got more.
Keep posting.

I've heard it all now!! Unreal.........unreal!!!

[Unregisteredneighbor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered 6969 View Post
Nope, wrong guess.

I'm not citing specific departments, I citing attitudes that prevail.

Here's another:

Female attempts to join local FD.
Ex-chief and current current commissioner during interview with female candidate states "you know, this is a fire house, full of fireMEN. We don't like women coming into the FD so we can't guarantee that you won't be raped or something..."

Don't think it happened?

Ask the department on Horseblock Road...

I've got more.
Keep posting.
I've heard it all now!! Unreal.........unreal!!!



WOW

[Unregistered5180]

What do you expect from a white trash FD like Farmingville?

[Unregisteredbacks]

OH MAN did he really say that? what a bunch of loosers out there> she should sue that dept and commissioer, thats so wrong.

[Unregisteredojfljahfr938r]

You are a volunteer. You spend endless hours training, and devoting yourself to your community, "working for pride, not a paycheck" (are you kidding me people) and these days recognition is scarce.

So why do you Volunteer? Why let this headache of a career steer your life in a direction you don't want it to go? Simple, you love it. You can't help but love it. It makes you a part of something. It may even make you feel good about yourself, like you have some sort of meaning here.

Let's get on with it....

Suffolk County has been a volunteer system for many years. Throughout the years our EMS system has sufficed, but no longer is this the case. Everyday, departments activate endless requests for additional manpower, which in the end just delays there inevitable request for mutual aid.

Everyday in Suffolk County approximately 200 - 300 residents dial 9-1-1 and request an ambulance response.
While this number grows and grows, our EMS system continues to fail, over and over again.

Unfortunately...

While you the volunteer, are attempting to provide your community with some sort of EMS service, you are actually hurting the cause. You are probably a part time volunteer, a part time provider with part time training. Your skills aren't really up to par, and you just don't have ENOUGH time to contribute as much as is needed. You are short changing the residents of this County by not providing sufficient care to it's residents. But don't worry your not alone. The entire EMS community is full of people just like you.

So here's my idea... (and I know it's been talked about but this should make it happen very quickly)

What if everyone resigns from his/her volunteer organization? The answers...

1. The County will be forced to resort to a paid system, essentially creating 100's of jobs.

2. Providers will be BETTER trained, therefore raising the level of care here in Suffolk County.

3. Response times will be a lot faster.

4. Mutual Aid will be used by the FD for additional brush trucks instead of by a community ambulance for the 6 year old drowning victim.

5. Lives will be saved.

This idea can really work. The only people who don't support this are the volunteers who just don't get it. The ones who volunteer "because their friends do." Keep in mind people, you're here to provide a service to a community. If you or your department cannot provide this service in a timely and adequate fashion, your not doing your job. Id hate for it to be YOUR drowning 6 year old brother waiting for an ambulance.

Now don't get me wrong, I would personally like to thank the few who do it the right way.

South Country Ambulance, arguably the best ambulance company in Suffolk County has found success. (No, I am not a member, nor do I care to be, but I will use them as an example) Under the leadership of Greg Miglino, South Country has an astonishing record of response times and patient care.

South Country Ambulance pays several full-time employees during the weekly day time hours, all with various job descriptions, that are allowed to abandon their payed duties (essentially leave work) to ride the ambulance. At night the volunteers cover the district by either responding from home or sleeping in quarters.

Greg's system no matter how argued, is working. However, so many other departments, even if they were paying full timers during the day (some departments pay 1 or 2 first responders) do not have an adequate membership base to cover the departments calls at night.

This lack of membership, which essentially is a lack of leadership, leads to the County stepping in to control "signal 3" times and mutual aid times. Great idea! But why don't we stop wasting everyones time!

That brings me back to the beginning. Maybe you should QUIT! This is the only way to make this happen. The only way we can make this County safer.

The Architect

P.S. This would also stop all your childish bickering about what Chief is in who's district, and who talks mean to people and who doesnt like who, wouldn't it?


You're high on crack cocaine right? You knock the volley system, and then praise South Country? That Dept. is not only filled with morons, buffs and people with the "driving an ambulance is cool attitude". You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[angry ems]

I was just searching the wed, abd came across this bullcrap...Are you out of your mind?? How can you say all this crap that volunteers are horrible and lazy and suck!? I am a volunteer with south country, and yes I read that you believe that we are an amazing company and yes I agree with you on that but so is every other company in suffolk county. Without these ambulance companys 100's of people would have died each year because there would have been noone there to help them. So if it takes you getting into an mva and your the one needing to be intubated by a volunteer and you needing to be air lifted to survive than so be it because maybe then you'll start appreciating volunteers more! I would also just like to say thank you to all the other volunteers out there

[Skippy's in the koolaid]

I was just searching the wed, abd came across this bullcrap...Are you out of your mind?? How can you say all this crap that volunteers are horrible and lazy and suck!? I am a volunteer with south country, and yes I read that you believe that we are an amazing company and yes I agree with you on that but so is every other company in suffolk county. Without these ambulance companys 100's of people would have died each year because there would have been noone there to help them. So if it takes you getting into an mva and your the one needing to be intubated by a volunteer and you needing to be air lifted to survive than so be it because maybe then you'll start appreciating volunteers more! I would also just like to say thank you to all the other volunteers out there

Wow, you truly buy that crap that you are fed down there in SCA. I do not think that voluteers are horrible and lazy, but I don't think they have any place in EMS. If you want to volunteer, that is great and I commend you but people's lives should not depend on the hit or miss of a volunteer EMS system with piss poor quality control and oversight. No, 100's of people would not have died without the voluteers. They would have been transported by a paid EMS system, which is what the taxpayer deserve. They probably could have been in the hospital by the time the volley crews quit screwing around with sig 3s and 24s. I know this is not a big issue for you guys in SCA (props to you for that), but look outside of your little kingdom. This is a serious issue that may be costing pts their lives. If you have a paid system, you can demand certain standards be met, including response times. In the volley system you get what you get. When the county tries to step in, the vollies start pissing and moaning, forgetting the most important people in the whole thing, the patients.

As for needing to be intubated by a volley, I'll pass. Bag me til we get to the hospital. The research on prehospital intubations is dismal at best and most of those studies have been done on a paid system with people who intubate much more frequently than most vollies do. I shudder to think what the failure rate would be if the same studies were done on the Suffolk County system. There is a reason the EMT-D/I certification never came to fruition.

As for the airlifting, guess who does that. A paid paramedic from SBU who has more education (not training) than most providers in the county and have higher requirements to keep their position. At least SBU has realized the importance of education, maybe some day the rest of the county will.

[Unregistered12321]

Nope, wrong guess.

I'm not citing specific departments, I citing attitudes that prevail.

Here's another:

Female attempts to join local FD.
Ex-chief and current current commissioner during interview with female candidate states "you know, this is a fire house, full of fireMEN. We don't like women coming into the FD so we can't guarantee that you won't be raped or something..."

Don't think it happened?

Ask the department on Horseblock Road...

I've got more.
Keep posting.

are you fucking serious? what knuckleheads made that profoundly stupid statement?

[Unregistered_diatribe]

Wow, you truly buy that crap that you are fed down there in SCA. I do not think that voluteers are horrible and lazy, but I don't think they have any place in EMS. If you want to volunteer, that is great and I commend you but people's lives should not depend on the hit or miss of a volunteer EMS system with piss poor quality control and oversight. No, 100's of people would not have died without the voluteers. They would have been transported by a paid EMS system, which is what the taxpayer deserve. They probably could have been in the hospital by the time the volley crews quit screwing around with sig 3s and 24s. I know this is not a big issue for you guys in SCA (props to you for that), but look outside of your little kingdom. This is a serious issue that may be costing pts their lives. If you have a paid system, you can demand certain standards be met, including response times. In the volley system you get what you get. When the county tries to step in, the vollies start pissing and moaning, forgetting the most important people in the whole thing, the patients.

As for needing to be intubated by a volley, I'll pass. Bag me til we get to the hospital. The research on prehospital intubations is dismal at best and most of those studies have been done on a paid system with people who intubate much more frequently than most vollies do. I shudder to think what the failure rate would be if the same studies were done on the Suffolk County system. There is a reason the EMT-D/I certification never came to fruition.

As for the airlifting, guess who does that. A paid paramedic from SBU who has more education (not training) than most providers in the county and have higher requirements to keep their position. At least SBU has realized the importance of education, maybe some day the rest of the county will.
Another pompous diatribe written from the SBU cult!

[Missed the mark skippy]

Another pompous diatribe written from the SBU cult!

No, you are wrong. I am not from Stony Brook. I'm just stating the obvious. My appologies if the truth hurts.

[Unregistered_noapologies]

No apologies are necessary Skippy! First off, SBU is not "the end all be all" in pre-hospital emergency care. Neither is North Shore for that matter. With more and more FD's & VAC's hiring f/t and p/t paid EMS personnel for BLS & ALS, it is only a matter of time before the entire Suffolk EMS system goes completely paid. Give it another 10-20 years Skippy!

[Pass the koolaid skippy]

No apologies are necessary Skippy! First off, SBU is not "the end all be all" in pre-hospital emergency care. Neither is North Shore for that matter. With more and more FD's & VAC's hiring f/t and p/t paid EMS personnel for BLS & ALS, it is only a matter of time before the entire Suffolk EMS system goes completely paid. Give it another 10-20 years Skippy!

It is not a matter of just going paid, but improving the level of care. You are right, SBU is not the end all, be all but they have more education over the typical medic class. They deal with critical care type things such as a-lines, more meds as well as being able to RSI. They are a step in the right direction to making EMS a profession and not a hobby.

[Unregistered101n]

No, you are wrong. I am not from Stony Brook. I'm just stating the obvious. My appologies if the truth hurts.

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