We'll be the death of ourselves.

[Could be a Plan]

Actually if you look at the advertising for the Volunteer Drive that Suffolk put out a few years ago, you will see that not only women were in a sense targeted, but also minoirities. The question is whether or not people are genuinely interested or if they'll join because their "girl" did or their buddy did...only to leave if their friends leave or they lose interest because it was not what they thought it would be. It's out there, people just have to want it as much as it wants them.

[LIVollie]

Having read many of the pages here tonight I thought I would finally put in my two cents. As much laughter as I get out of reading these posts I can't help but think that when the entire island is paid we will only have ourselves to blame. I am not from here and did not grow up here, I was/am in the military where I received my "EMS" training. Although I volunteer myself I would like to think of myself as a decently objective person to this situation. Aside from the fact that we all feel a compulsion to gossip and air our dirty laundry here in public thats not the thing that gets us in trouble the thing thats really going to kill us is the way we spend our $$. The taxpayers are starting to notice the palatial firehouses and, as we have so blatantly stated here, all the amenities in them. No taxpayer can understand why a firehouse needs a bar, especially one(s) with flat panel LCD's, slot machines, dance floors, big screen TV's, card pits, leather couches, and custom woodwork. The Coram firehouse is a prime example - the first time I saw it I thought it was a hotel until I saw the truck doors. Between the HQ's and the dinners and the vacations and gifts and the trucks and the busses (with beer taps in them) and the multi-million dollar budgets the taxpayers expect the vollies to get the damn truck out. I'm a paid provider in addition to a vollie - it's how I make my living - and as I sit at work at 6 AM and hear a 16 get banged around for the better part of an hour and hear PD on the scanner asking the dispatcher to "just find someone with a damn crew" on one hand I shake my head in shame for being a vollie and at the same time silently thank the vollies where I work for doing the same thing. Combination paid/vollie is not only in our future IT IS HERE------TO STAY! But, we need to reinvigorate the vollie spirit in the county. Fire crews are better about the 3's and 24's than rescue but we're all in this together once EMS goes all paid Fire's right on its heels. One key to a democracy is the ability of its people to publicly address their concerns - so address away let the taxpayers know which departments are slacking and who's doing who's wife where but as you sit down to the next $150,000 dinner or board that plane for your Caribbean vacation remember that there aren't many left. This isn't my way of bashing any or all departments - there are departments that spend their money wisely and with discretion. Nor is this my way of thumbing my nose at the vollie system. Just think of it as a public service message - get help - stop spending! Reward your members not with a palace but with less Bu11 $hit to deal with in it. I know I'm gonna hear it for this but its my opinion agree or disagree.
Phil Aubrey

[been there]

.............

"The Coram firehouse is a prime example - the first time I saw it I thought it was a hotel until I saw the truck doors."

..............you also forgot the hot tubs and tiki bar in the "gym"
But thats a GREAT new building they got!

......."and as I sit at work at 6 AM and hear a 16 get banged around for the better part of an hour and hear PD on the scanner asking the dispatcher to "just find someone with a damn crew"
......and you would think that same cop, who is an EMT,would ride the bus. NOT!!



Just a note EMS may be going paid here on LI, you cant pay me enough to deal with that BS everyday, let alone volunteer to do it, BUT firefighting will continue to be volunteer for a very lonnnnngggggggggg time.
Too much resistance from the "voting blocks".

[FIREMAN592]

1) Paid Vs. Vollie Dept... Once Taxpayers find out that Paid Dept. are a rather nice increase to there annual budget, you will find Vollie Depts will remain for some time (see West Islip Bond Vote)

2) The "BS" that goes around, half of it is the board of certain depts.(NOT ALL) They do this to keep companies seperated and by backing the companies with greater voting #s... they continue their' BS

3) As far as the taxpayers go, most of them hear a story and stamp the Fire SErvice in general!! Should they be a little more "involved" maybe, maybe not. Ever get a dent "banged out" in a car or truck of yours... It may look good @ the end, but how do you think they did it!!!

[FFAEMT]

I agree with everyone - yes Coram's new house is GREAT I'm terribly jealous - but it is a bit much.

I'm not so convinced about a paid EMS service (or fire for that matter) being any more expensive than the volly system we have here. I'm saying I support it, but I think the cost analysis needs to be left to professionals.

I agree with LIVollie tho - we will be our own end..... Peace brothers stay safe

[GHFD]

..........you guys also forgot........
The teak Bar
desks
Plasma T.V.'s (yes more than 1)
Fire poles
A kitchen most catering halls would be jealous of.....


Dont be jealous, be thankful its not you when the tax payers finally get to see inside.
.......if that ever happens.

[Dont it Pi** you off]

.......NYC went paid, so the story goes, because the vollies were drunks, rowdy, fighting amongst themselves, stealing, using the dept. as a political step, they mentioned everything but kiddie porn.

Are we sure this was a story about "volunteer FDNY" from 1865 or a story about "paid FDNY" from 2004 ?

I guess the more things change the more they stay the same, maybe NYC made a huge mistake going paid.

[SuffolkCC]

As I was reading your post I thought you were describing how Suffolk Vollies have become...lol just read the messages posted on this site - you have drunks, fighting, stealing, embezzling, politics, relationships, affairs, kiddie porn, chief's in womens underwear, insurance fraud, etc. etc. Be careful who you point the finger at
PA-

[exactly]

FINALLY someone sees the point!!!!!!!!!!


It doesnt matter if your "paid" or not!!!!!!!!!
It is a reflection of todays society!!!!!!!!

It is NOT a VALID REASON to creat a paid dept on LI.
(yes there are some valid ones)
A pay check will not make the differance you will have these types in ANY organization.

[Truth]

It does not matter if you are a volunteer, career, or both, there will always be guys who are not going to do good for your agency. FDNY has bad apples, Coram has bad apples, GHFD has bad apples, everyone has a few guys that do @#%$ like drink and drive, embezzle, internet @#%$, or whatever. The point of this rant is that we are not all those people just because one guy screws up. I am not a drunk, a porn freak, i don't steal, or any number of other things that fireman have been busted for. The news media loves to make us look bad. If you were and editor or a producer, what sells????? Some guy gets caught drunk driving or a City Fireman gets caught drunk driving. The guy wasn't representing the FDNY when he left the bar, but he got labeled to sell some newspapers and make some ratings. Same thing with Cops, EMT's, or anyone in a position of public view. It is just all BS as far as I am concerned and I pay no attention to any of it. A perfect example right now, our soldiers. Are they all dirtbags because a couple of MP's went nuts and started screwing up??? NO, but they are still getting labeled to, you see the pattern here everyone???? I hope so, because if anything we need to stick together, not tear each other apart. I know this sounds a little preachy, but oh well. I am right.......

[SuffolkCC]

You're not preaching - you're right. One drunk FDNY FF Driving home from the bar doesn't make us all DWI's and One Vollie Arsonist doesn't make us all arsoninsts. We do have to stick together - paid and vollie - yes I lean more towards the paid side but anyone who thinks that the island will remain vollie forever is kidding themselves. Weather were getting a paycheck or not were all still on the same team - I just wish we could all see that and work towards a solution that helps the people we work to serve.
PA-

[onthelineovertime]

What I got out of it was that there were a lot of problems with the system that was in place at the time. While many of their problems don't apply here, I saw some that are just as relevant today, such as: 1) Vicious resistance from the existing volunteers, 2)Poor or excessive deployment and/or distribution of firefighting assets in a region and equipment 3) potential for selective response (ie:the guy who rolls over and resets the radio).
We DO have a good system, but the occasional problem screams loudly in the ears of the public, prompting often political (and occasionally painful) responses or "solutions" to our service. Really, we possess the ability to help ourselves, as long as we don't ignore the potential.
One of many comments from 1865:
The advent of the steam fire engine in the 1850s was of great concern to the volunteer companies of New York, who were furious at the prospect of being demoted from skilled pumpers to mere machine hands. This article from the New York Herald describes the visit of a Philadelphia steam fire engine company to New York, and the hostility with which it was treated by the New York volunteer companies. The New Yorkers jeered at the Philadelphia machine and its operators, understanding that were the steam fire engine allowed to come to New York, the days of the volunteer fire company as workingman's social club and source of neighborhood pride would be over. Advocates of a professional fire force, on the other hand, were delighted by the efficiency of the steam fire engine, and used it as ammunition in their battle against the volunteer company.

I hear many opinions in that some type of paid + volunteer force would be more palatable to the public as a whole. A total upheaving and consolidation of the current system, while arguably the most efficient in the long term would be difficult to institute in the short. If a school district can pass a 13% tax increase, then why couldn't we, for better, more advanced life safety services.

Just my 25 cents.

[suffolkFF]

"What if women were actively encouraged to apply for membership? Think things would change?"


FYI there are currantly several high ranking females in depts. throught suffolk county, both fire and ems.

Can you tell us where women have been discouraged to join ANY dept. ? I don't know of any.

Why don't you come down and sign up, find out FIRSTHAND.
You too can make a differance.

[NotAnymore]

The department I'm from has 3 female Ex-Captains, and a current female captain. The women are mostly in the EMS company, but there are about 15 women that are fire trained/active firefighters as well. The female/male split in the EMS company of 90 members is about 55/35, female/male.

It's not an all-boys show anymore.

[Vengeful Medic]

I agree......

[Listen Up]

This thread isn't about girls/women! In EMS men and women work side by side period...... the point is VOLLYS suck!

LONG ISLAND NEEDS PAID, TRAINED, PROFESSIONAL EMS. These self serving vollies need to get lost and go talk crap about themselves some place else!!!!! Let the paid people who know what they are doing get the job done right. GO PAID!!!!

[Savannah]

The Coram Fire Department DOES NOT have hot tubs, saunas, nor do we have buses with beer taps. How unfortunate that this is ALL you can focus on!
The real fight is to KEEP our services, paid or volunteer,
for the protection of our respective communities. Your energy needs to be on those issues, NOT what type of building CFD has for it's members.
We, as fire personnel give of ourselves, something that cannot be purchased. Unless you give your time, you have no right to complain about what we do, or how we do it. It is a wonderful thing that some Districts realize how precious little time we have today and provide the little perks necessary to keep up the membership interested.
On another note, please do not compare what GHFD has as opposed to what Coram has offered it's membership. GHFD doesn't have the tax base that Coram has, and its residents are completely taxed for everything fire service related. They get no breaks! GHFD is working to improve their firehouse in the most efficient way possible.
Once again, please volunteer your time and check your facts BEFORE you post your messages.
Savannah

[SuffolkCC]

Just to keep the air clear here -- as far as my posts go every bit of info in them has been factual. The bus with beer tap was seen with my own eyes. I never said it was Coram's bus all I said was that it existed. I can't vouch for other peoples facts only my own.
Phil

[BURNED]

I have been reading some of the past posts, and there are many great points. It is unfortunate that they are masked by some arrogant remarks! I understand that emotions run high when it comes to the topic of converting the volunteer fire services of Long Island from volunteer to paid. I think that this is good, however we should concentrate these emotions on finding a cure for the problems that we have, as opposed to using it to hurt ourselves!

I agree that the volunteer fire service and the E.M.S. system needs some help. There are solutions, and they do not included "pointing fingers" or fighting with each other.

For the record, I do not believe that there is a difference between paid and volunteer firefighters. We are all PROFESSIONALS! (I have never done an unprofessional job) We have all worked next to great volunteers, great paid, and bad volunteers and bad paid! The difference is an FDNY firefighter has more experience, whereas a Long Island firefighter paid or volley has less, simply because of the type of alarms that we respond to.

I agree that the response time for the volunteer E.M.S. system is not as good as it could be. One reason may be due to the high amount of training required, or the increasing abuse of the E.M.S. system, or even the long time that it takes on these E.M.S. runs. Because of these factors, there is a high burn-out rate for medics.

I further agree that the E.M.S. does not belong with the volunteer fire services. There is just too much of a demand. I think that the creation of a central E.M.S. agency is a great idea. I do not think that it will happen. The Nassau Police tried it and it is just not working! This is the Nassau County Police Emergency Ambulance Bureau. I believe that one problem is they are using 1 Amt on every ambulance, and no driver. They are forced to dispatch both a police officer and an ambulance to every call. The Police Officer is forced to stop his policing duties to drive an ambulance. This is ridiculous!

There should be E.M.T.'s to drive the ambulances. They will be paid less then the police officers, and will be able to assist the the A.M.T.'s, when necessary. Or maybe the county can put B.L.S. units on the streets. They will be cheaper then the A.L.S. units that are now in place. They also need to increase the amount of ambulances on the road. 2-3 ambulance per pct. just will not cover the county!

Unfortunately we all know that this will never happen. So the next best thing will be for the fire districts to train their current employees as E.M.T.'s and permit them to respond to alarms. (for those that are not aware, most fire districts pay someone to clean the firehouses, cut the lawns, maintain the equipment, etc.) Most employees of fire districts are also members. We all know the controversy about paying them to respond to calls. There is an answer to that. If the fire districts give the members "fire hours" they can permit the employees to leave work and respond to calls as a volunteer. (is it a priority to clean a toilet, or respond to a call for help?) The member would be covered as a volunteer, and at the same time they will not loose time from work for helping their community - don't forget we are here for the community, not the toilet!

I have also heard a lot of talk about the response times for fire protection. The problem does exist, but is not as bad as it is being portrayed!

Todays society does not support a single income family! Those days ended in the '80's. Because of this, most us us work 2-3 jobs, and are limited on time to respond to the growing amount of alarms, or even to keep up on the increasing amounts of training.

There may be a solution: Eliminate the fire protection taxes for firefighters. This will reduce reduce the financial burden on the working class family that wants to volunteer but can't find time.

Another possibility may be to enact a law that permits volunteer firefighters to leave work, or take time off, to respond to calls and/or trainings. My work schedule ofter does not permit me to go to trainings, and many calls come in while I am in town at work. If I go to the call I will be fired, and if I take off for a training, I will be forced on the unemployment line. How about housing for us middle income firefighters that can't afford to pay our bills, but choose to help the community instead of finding job number 3 or 4. Maybe we can reduce income taxes. There are options out there, but no one to fight for us!

I think that it is time that we use our "unity" or "brotherhood" to our advantage. In Nassau County there are over 700 firefighters, we all have families and friends. It is time that we get these politicians to work for us! If they choose not to help us, we can choose to use our power of numbers to get them out of office! If we all convince 1 person not to vote for some one.....that someone will have at least 1400 votes against them! that is a big hit, when dealing with politics, in addition our communities do listen to us. If we campaign our community to lobby against a politician to help the fire service....they will listen!


On the topic of converting the volunteer service to paid.....it will never happen!!! The only solution is to establish combination departments. Unfortunately it is up to the individual fire districts to do this, and most of them have too much pride, and I do not blame them, the conversion will be a last resort.....I am sure that one day it will happen, but not any time soon.

I have also heard some comments about training. For the record the Nassau County Fire Service Academy trains its recruits to a level equivalent to the national level 1 standard, which is what most departments outside New York use. So the training is there. I am sorry for the paid firefighter that made the comment. I am sorry that you had to work with a volunteer fighter that did not meet your standards. I will tell you that I have worked with career firefighters that also were not great firefighters. In life you will learn that in every job there are people that are great at their job, and their are people that are not, I do not believe that this had anything to do with their training and/or pay status. I am sure that if you were paid less...you will still be a great firefighter, and I know that the County Training program is great, and any volley can advance their training to the County, State, and federal academies.

One last note......The amenities that are found in the firehouses.....I agree that sometimes they are too much. For the record, there is a reason that firehouses have "lounges" and dance halls. The lounges are there for the members to rehab after calls, and to get away from the day to day stresses. By coming to the firehouse we are able to talk to each other about calls, stress relief, trainings, etc. but most of all we are together, bonding, and clearing our minds. This is the least that we can get out of volunteering. Without it, we would loose many more members to stress related illnesses, and burn-out.

The dance halls come from the days when fire departments had to raise their own funds. Firehouses were usually build to hold the equipment, apparatus, and large amount of personnel, and typically had a place to host meetings. These halls were often used to host community events and eventually were used to raise funds for the departments. Now many departments use them as an incentive to retain members. members may be permitted to use the hall for family affairs, as an incentive or reward for being a dedicated volunteer. I do not see a problem with this, however I do agree that some departments take it too far.

I further agree that some commissioners, chiefs, and/or treasurers may go a little too far with their spending habits. And for them there is a court room, not this message board. I also encourage anyone that knows of these "over-spendings" to contact their local district attorneys office.

[suffolkFF]

"The Coram Fire Department DOES NOT have hot tubs, saunas, nor do we have buses with beer taps."

Your full of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Taxpayers of that community would haver your COMMISIONERS BALLS if they knew what was REALLY in that firehouse PALACE!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT 1 BUT 2 HOT TUBS
Plasma T.V.'s
Wood decore BAR
Matching wood desks for just about EVERYONE
Tiki Juice bar
Recliners..............
Shall we go on ?

And the bathroom in that bus might not work but we all know you just needed the room for the beer tap.

"The real fight is to KEEP our services, paid or volunteer"

Gee ever think maybe the first step would be to STOP ABUSING THE TAX PAYERS??????????
Wake up CORAM! Liz should come visit you!

[Burned Up]

Burned - Two statements you made left me scratching my head:

1. "There may be a solution: Eliminate the fire protection taxes for firefighters. This will reduce reduce the financial burden on the working class family that wants to volunteer but can't find time. "

In the average district, that's going to save someone, what, $200 tops? You want to do something for the vollies? Eliminate the school tax, because that's the only tax that is worth any sort of rebate on.

2. "In Nassau County there are over 700 firefighters"
In Nassau County? There's more members than that in the 8th batallion alone. There are a number of departments in Nassau that are 250+ "active" (and let's not debate the term active) members on their rosters.

[funny]

There are no Hot Tubs in Coram, unfortunately. The Bowling Alley is awesome though. The Surround Sound movie theather is great. I loved the helipad, its great for traffic. The Indoor Track is good for a morning run. Seriously, coram went nuts on the new building, no denying it. I will say that all the stuff floating around about whats in there is hilarious. I have been in there, I am not a member, they do have some of the things you speak of, no beer taps on buses or hot tubs though. The house is huge and they went way overboard on it, but none of the above things I said are true. Have a nice night.

[real Funny]

Coram DOES have an indoor track, its in the attic covering the entire firehouse..and the rec room, (the big one) looks like a hotel bar in a 5 star hotel with plush couches and several TVs
Go look, they are pompious enough to show it off to whoever comes around

[BLOWME]

WE HAVE MEN AND WOMEN OVER SEAS GETTING KILLED EVERYDAY AND ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS CRY THAT THIS ONES FIREHOUSE IS BETTER THEN MINE THEY HAVE THIS AND THIS ONE HAS THAT NOW HOW ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO FOUGHT FOR US TO DO ALL OF THIS INSTEAD OF CRY WHAT SOMEONE HAS AT THERE FIREHOUSE FDNY BLOW ME SCPD SCREW YOU GROW UP ALREADY YOU BUNCH OF LOSERS

[lighten up]

Too much caffeine this morning N2N2N2N2N2?

[funny]

They do not have an indoor track, been there, its a little low for a track, sorry to burst everyones bubble. The bar is very nice, but again there are no plush couches, just a couple lazy boys. There are several TV's also. Now, go to a firehouse in Suffolk that doesn't have lazyboy's and several TV's. They have a card table and shuffle board too. So does everyone else. I am not condoning it, but get the facts straight before we go pointing fingers. I think it is an eye soar too, but lets stop the rumors. And BM, thanks for the wake up call, like we all didn't know. My brother is there and so are 2 close cousins. So until you know me, mind your own business. While I understand why you wrote it, to put things in perspective, sometimes you just need a break from worrying about that stuff, or you'll die before they can come home. All I was merely doing was pointing out that these people did not have all the facts, I was not complaining at all. Have a nice day.

[proud]

I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I HAVE MORE THAN ONE MEMBER OF MY FAMILY IN THE CORAM FD. THE FIRST TIME YOU EITHER HAVE A FIRE IN YOUR HOUSE, OR NEED AN AMBULANCE FOR A LOVED ONE, YOU'LL SEE HOW MUCH THESE FIREMEN DESERVE TO BE APPRECIATED. WHEN YOU SEE THEM COMING DOWN YOUR STREET, YOU WON'T CARE WHAT'S IN THE FIREHOUSE. ANYTIME YOU WANT TO SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT'S IN THIS FIREHOUSE, JUST COME ON DOWN, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU.
PROUD

[BURNED]

You are correct.....there are well over 700 Firefighters in Nassau County......there are over 250 in my Departments alone. Unfortunately I low balled the estimate of active members......but you get my point, that we can controll elections if we would only stick together!

As far as the school tax rebate....we are already getting a reduction in school taxes for being a volunteer firefighter....I a mjust looking for other "incentives" for keeping the guys going! Do you have any suggestions?

[emsofficer]

I would like to take a min to say a word about Coram FD.I have bean in the new fire house and it is grate the members love it and it makes them feel good every time Thea step in to it.The comment that was made a few post ago about all fire houses having TV'S and lazy boys and bars is not true.The Gordon FD gave up their rec room about 2 years ago so that a new addition could be built onto their fire house,Thea are a dry fire house and have bean that why for Meany years.All 3 chiefs share one small office that only has 2 desk in it and one computer.the firematic officers share another small office that has 3 desk in it all 9firematic officers.The ems officers share another small office along with all the first responders,and one desk,the point that I AM trying to make is that not all fd's are the same some have a lot and can't get out for calls or their members drink and drive or get into fights.Some fd's have a little and can have the same problems,what it comes down to it that if an individual does something wrong that it comes back to that person not the department that he or she is a member in.Lets stop spending so much time fighting ourselves and use a site like this to talk about how we can improve membership or improve response times

[SuffolkEMT]

Well said.... and all very very true..use spell check next time tho

[funny]

....does the funny man still walk around in his underware ?

[Eyes Are Watching]

Funny man isn't walking around in his underwear,but he's driving around in his white corvette on district time.

[from the east]

Oh you mean the Tony Soprano wannabe?? or better yet the maybe he thinks he's John Gotti, then again he's dead.

[EMT]

Re: Female vollies

The big picture you are not seeing on the blantant discrimation these Volly fire department engage in is the fact that a female has never risen pass the EMT unit.

[YouDontHaveAClue]

hey EMT.. you obviously don't have a clue.

I know of PLENTY of Fire Departments that have active female firefighters. I know of 5 FDs off the top of my head that have females in officer capacities (LT/CAPT) of a FIRE company (not an EMS company)

[BLOWME]

IF I RECALL BRENTWOOD HAS 2 WOMEN IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THE CHINK THATS SLEEPING THE CHIEFS IS USELESS AND THE DIKE IN ENG CO 6 IS AFRAID OF FIRE SO ALSO USELESS. THE ONE THAT WAS GOOD AND DID HER JOB BECAUSE OF THE CHIEFS SHE LEFT.

[NO CLUE]

Lets be honest here. There are plenty of women that rise up past EMT in the FD's. So EMT, give it a rest with the we are a minority because of our gender BS. The truth is that a woman can be capable to do this job if she so desires, but some are not capable of doing so because they are too busy worrying about things that need not be worried. Not all, but some. The same goes for men. There are men out there the same way, but since there are fewer women in the FD's it makes it painfully more obvious. I have met many capable women in the fire service who worked hard and did not expect any special treatment along the way. They did whatever the men had to do, because thats the job. The dummy shouldn't have to be lighter, the mile run slower, or the repetitions less because you are a woman. I want to know that if I am hurt that you can get me out. I need to know that if you are going to be on a hoseline or search crew with me you can do what is required of you and more if necessary. In the vollie houses I see that a lots of both gender join for the wrong reasons. But like stated earlier, there are far less women, so it is hard to see the good ones when some of them are screwing half the department. You know what I mean. Not to knock women, I love em, but if they aren't getting promoted it is because the guys don't feel they have what it takes to get the job done. The ones that do get promoted have to have proved themselves at some point. At least I would think so. Be Safe out there...........

[GET REAL]

Hey Blow Me,
Yeah, she was real good. She had low percentage three years in a row.

Get a life!

[BLOWME]

SHE MIGHT OF HAD 3 YEARS LOW BUT STILL BETTER THAN THE CHINK AND THE DIKE. DIDN'T THE CHINK CLAM SEX HARASSMENT WHEN SHE WAS IN TRUCK COMPANY? NOW SHE SLEEPS WITH CHIEFS!!! HMMMMMM ONE WAY TO KEEP IT GOING.

[tm]

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.

[HA]

W

[tm]

That's just what Rush Limbaugh said!

[HATE DMs]

I cant believe they moderator removed that Coram Board. Must be fearful of the truth. Vinny drives around in a brand new Crown Vic with tinted windows and custom rims and gets his gas for free. And he drives drunk most every night, I have seen it. Seriously go to Mike's Place or Popei's you will see him and his other commissioner cronies there too! They probably spend district money. Dont they have paid EMS there and they arent allowed in the "HOTEL"?? Why then do they have 4 or 5 paid housemen that also go on ambulance calls? And one of their housemen is related to the mechanic who is related to a commissioner. As a matter of fact they buy their maintenance supplies from the brother of the "head" housekeeper and I am sure they are related to a commissioner too. Vinny must have threatened to have his political gumba's break knees to have that removed. Remember Fred Towle?? HE got caught too and he was the same scumbag as that District Mgr. Vinny. Vinny was a custodian who got dirt on a commissioner and then got a DM job and now is untouchable although his FDNY chauffeur commissh talks smack about him whenever hes not around! Nice bunch of people. Others call them brothers, they dont know that click. THere are good guys and good FDNY guys at Coram but that Commissh is a scam waiting to be caught.

[ANOTHERfireman]

I got news for you, back when that new "hotel" was still in the PLANNING stages, long before EMS was paid in Coram, THEY HAD NO PLANS TO INCLUDE THE EMS COMPANY IN THAT "HOTEL".
EVERYONE had a place in the "hotel"...Engine co. truck co. chiefs, commisioners, "my cousin Vinny", EVEN the ladies aux and janitor had space planed out for them............BUT NOT THE REDHEADED STEP CHILDREN FROM EMS, they werent included from the VERY beggining!

I even once heard that commish from FDNY claim he wished he could get rid of the ambulance....push it off onto a community ambulance or something.

Bet the taxpaying residents dont know about that!!

[3rd Due]

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT CORAM HERE!!

BUT ..............

YOU CAN REFER TO FEMALE VOLUNTEERS AS "CHINKS" AND "DYKES"...............

You may continue to slander and say derogatory things BUT just don't try to tell the TRUTH about a "protected" department/district.

[uhhh]

what the hell is going on on this post its crazy

[NCFF]

Speaking of Coram.....Does anyone know what happened, if anything, to the commish who was on disability from SCPD and caught beating up youngsters at Mcdonalds?

[wow]

cant believe someone posted that.

[FF]

What cant you believe?
That some idiot was stupid enough to do that, or someone actually had the BALLS to tell it?

[FF]

Story is he was "asked to retire" for getting caught working security for Grucci's while on SCPD disability

[FF]

I guess pulling a politican out of a river gets you out of all sorts of LEGAL troubles?

[EMT]

Thanks!

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someone trying to get over on the system:">

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um ya

[lookin]

move on.

[Mikecp421]

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Wasn't it "Death of a salesman"???

HOW SEXIST!

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