Consolidation of Fire Departments/ Services

[FF]

Duh...............
This is apples and oranges.

It was a consolidation of services that were ALREADY paid agencies. It has no bearing on volunteer agencys.

Sorry cant find any stats on population/square milage for them.
"There are many areas in this country where a "city of population 16,000 has a paid fire service." Towns on Long Island have a population of hundreds of thousands"
Sure you could have a population of 16,000 in a 3 mile area. easily covered by just 1 firehouse.
But take into consideration the sprawling landscape of suffolk alone you could have a population of 160,000 in a 50 mile radius needing alot more than 1 house to cover it. (still seems the volunteer organizations are the better bargain)
What works for Jersey wouldnt work here.
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[Why not]

For anyone interested in a successful consolidation of fire services examine, read-up and study the NORTH HUDSON REGIONAL FIRE & RESCUE AGENCY.

Similar consolidation efforts could be done by Battalions in Nassau and Townships in Suffolk if anyone was so intentioned within any of these governmental boundaries.

There has been no valid professional study on Long Island to declare a consolidation and a paid or part paid service is impossible.

The armchair declarations of well intentioned volunteer firefighters that it would be cost prohibitive is both uninformed and premature.

There are many areas in this country where a "city of population 16,000 has a paid fire service." Towns on Long Island have a population of hundreds of thousands.

Hit the web and check out North Hudson. Look at the population, type of community, the number of alarms, level of funding and taxation. Why can it be done there successfully and not here? Political resistance?

"The culmination of the largest merger of Municipal services in New Jersey State history, began in January 1999.

The purpose of the North Hudson Regional Fire and Rescue Agency is to improve safety while reducing property taxes in the five participating towns: North Bergen, Union City, Weehawken, West New York and Guttenberg.

With an initial budget of $29 million and a compliment of about 325 paid firefighters, it is the fifth largest fire agency in the State, and the first in the State of New Jersey to cover multiple towns.

Through attrition, reductions in overtime, consolidation of administrative personnel, and other economies, these towns have saved millions of dollars while improving fire safety."

[doneitallready]

According to the News 12 forum on this issue a study was done, and the cost for Suffolk was 1.5 Billion dollars. The police only cost us 750 million approx.

Its not cost effective and it does not garantee anything. Look at NYC they still wait for EMS, not so much Fire.

Also the last two years the #1 EMS Agencies in the Stae came from Suffolk County. Betting out the paid systems from around the state.

If your community is failing to provide enough volunteers then you pay people. If you dont need paid people then stay away, it is an expensive way to solve this problem, and in the end it wont be totally solved.

EMS and Fire ( Volunteers ) need the same thing that every other business/goverment agencies need. A secure funding stream and excellent leadership.

[ltjag]

Every time I see someone refer to the News 12 "study", the cost goes up even more. What about this study? Was it done by News 12? Was it done at their behest? Where did it come from? Who furnished it? And, more importantly, who funded it? Was it FASNY? I'd like to know.

I'd also like to know what ranking organization you are referring to. The top two EMS agencies in the state are from Suffolk? I can tell you that the Long Beach Fire Department, the busiest on LI, does about 3000 EMS runs a year. Every call receives an ALS response and it is rare to see a response time above three minutes. Are you telling me that there are any other agencies, paid or volunteer who can compete with this? You're going to have to show some proof. I hate to piss on your parade, but you're either a liar or you're badly misinformed.

[FF]

Would you just shut your uncredible mouth and go find a JOB.
You Ex never was.
Take this and shove it...........
"In just three years the South Country Ambulance Company has responded to over 10,000 alarms. This number of alarms makes us one of the busiest departments in the Town of Brookhaven. In addition we were named Suffolk County Emergency Medical Service Agency of the Year in 2000-2001, and singled out by Suffolk County for having the fastest response time of any EMS agency in 2000 and 2001. Also in 2001-2002 we were named New York State EMS Agency Of The Year. In order to handle these alarms and provide this level of response we have over 126 volunteers who server the department in various positions, as well as seventeen specialized pieces of equipment, pre-positioned throughout our community." Still think were lying ? go here......
www.southcountryambulance.com/

10,000 alarms in 3 years that makes roughly 3300 calls a year.
Guess the LBFD isnt the busiest on long island.
Again EX please stick to what you KNOW, the small needs of the LBFD(your FORMER employer). Oh yeah and your side job, or is that now your full time job.
Whos the mis informed one ?
EX

Sorry to piss on YOUR parade.
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[ltjag]

Long Beach averages about 3000 EMS runs a year. We also have another 1500 or so miscellaneous type runs for the year bringing us to an average of 4500-4600 calls a year. What about your response times? How about getting an ALS crew out every time? You state your organization was "named" as best in the County and best in the state. By whom. What is the criteria. Is it statistically based or is it voted by your peers? I'm sure your organization is very busy and that it meets the needs of the community it serves. That is as it should be. All I'm looking to point out here is that accuracy and clarity are important. Define for us exactly what that #1 ranking denotes. Is it call volume in your town? Is it response time? What does it mean? Thats all I'm trying to get at here.

[FF]

First your EMS runs average around 3000 a year, now its 4500-4600 a year. Can we pick a fgure and stick with it please ?
Or are you just back peddling because you were proven wrong with FACT ?

I provided a link to South country's web site, if you want more information go read it, im done giving you a free education.
But instead of wasting time hanging around the internet maybe you could be doing something constructive........
LIKE GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ex. never was!

Oh thats right LBFD is gonna call anyday now begging you to come back, what was the date they were gonna inform you by ? Isnt it sometime in June 2003 ?
Oh that was last year, My bad.
LOL.
Stupid never was.
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[Vengeful Medic]

Brentwood Legion Ambulance: 5000-6000 calls per year
Huntington Community First Aid Squad: around 4000 calls per year

As soon as I can get a look at the stats again, I will give you exact figures, but Long Beach is NOT the busiest department on Long Island...not by a long shot.
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[Why not]

The six responses are why nothing will ever change. The collective mentally is stuck on bravado and bullsh*t.

Anyone who says it is impossible and not cost effective is just winging it when that is said. Do you think Long Island suburban sprawl is unique? There are paid services in similar settings all over this country.

The News 12 "Study" is not a real study.

A real study would consist of a deployment analysis that consists of Travel Time and Distance Models; Probabilistic Models of Fire Company Availabilty and Dispatching; Analysis of the Demand for Service; Location of firehouses by Fire Station Location Computer Program taking into account all of the above; determining the number and type of fire companies by using a Parametric Allocation Model.

News12 could not afford to do a real study, nor would any other half baked critic.

This is accomplished by using degreed Urban Planners, Fire Protection Engineers; Fire Service leaders with exposure to more than a county or state fire school; Statisticians; and Group Logistics Engineers.

NOT by some blonde rag on News 12; some foreign bastarde writing for Newsday; or some well intentioned volunteer looking to preserve the status-quo.

[J Kerry]

As you know the IAFF supports me and my democrats 100% as I support them 100%. I am all for fully paid fire departments and if elected will outlaw volunteer fire departments only if elected, and if not I support volunteer fire departments 100%.

[ltjag]

Not to split hairs, but I believe Long Beach is indeed the busiest Fire Department on the Island, as distinguished from a VAB. We are a fully integrated provider of fire protection and EMS as well as EMS transportation. We average 4500 calls a year. Of those, about 3000 or so are EMS related. We are staffed 24/7 by a crew of 4/5/6 cross-trained FF/AEMT's. The paid crew is supplemented by the volunteers.

[Time to go]

Whats with the we stuff? You got fired. Youre not in the dept anymore. Its not we, its the LBFD. Move one ex lt.

[LBNOT]

Long Beach ain't the busiest by a longshot.

[Hmmm]

Go to google and plug in
"Long Island Busiest Fire Departments"

You'll find at least 6 departments that claim to be the "busiest" or "one of the busiest" on the Island.

My favorite is Huntington Manor, at 900 runs claiming to be one of the busiest.. <yawn>.. we do that in a quarter..

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[ltjag]

the numbers. I've been wrong before. I don't think I am here though.

[Time to go]

youve been shown numbers already. get over it. youre not a member of LB and no matter how much you try to boast the dept to everyone, theyre not going to let you back in.

[ltjag]

There is a thread that is entirely dedicated to ripping me. Is it too much to ask that you restrict your vitriol to that thread? People are logging onto a thread to discuss the posted topic. I'm no different. When I post, I post on point. Disagree with me all you want, but do so in a way that is relevant to the thread. All of this "X" nonsense and "get a job" crap is getting old. You are exhibiting very little intellectual muscle with this stuff. Maybe you find it entertaining, but it seems the majority of users of this site do not. You're not wearing me down here, but rather, I think you're killing threads that are of interest to people by cluttering them with this junk. There is a thread for abusing me, please use it. I don't care if its the top thread every time I log on. I've got thick skin.

[simon says]

X

GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Why not]

This LT. Jag must be a moron. Considering his postings, they are banal, lacking in any constructive comment and amount to "My fire truck is better than your fire truck" jerk off rantings. Don't be baited by " my firehouse is busier than your firehouse " childish rants.

Anyhow........

The collective mentally is stuck on bravado and bullsh*t.

Anyone who says it is impossible and not cost effective is just winging it when that is said. Do you think Long Island suburban sprawl is unique? There are paid services in similar settings all over this country.

The News 12 "Study" is not a real study.

A real study would consist of a deployment analysis that consists of Travel Time and Distance Models; Probabilistic Models of Fire Company Availabilty and Dispatching; Analysis of the Demand for Service; Location of firehouses by Fire Station Location Computer Program taking into account all of the above; determining the number and type of fire companies by using a Parametric Allocation Model.

News12 could not afford to do a real study, nor would any other half baked critic.

This is accomplished by using degreed Urban Planners, Fire Protection Engineers; Fire Service leaders with exposure to more than a county or state fire school; Statisticians; and Group Logistics Engineers.

NOT by some blonde rag on News 12; some foreign bastarde writing for Newsday; or some well intentioned volunteer looking to preserve the status-quo.

[ltjag]

My posting about Long Beach's numbers were in response to the SCA numbers in a prior posting. Is LB the busiest department? I believe it is, but that's not what I am emphasizing here. I was challenging the validity of the posting about SCA. LB's numbers are pretty impressive, not just the run total, but that there is an ALS response to each and every call, -and- the average response time is under three minutes. I am extremely proud of these facts and I am confident that there are'nt too many other departments that can make the same statement. My point here is that if a department is billing itself as the #1 EMS agency in the State, I want to know by whom they were ranked #1, and by what criteria. Our volunteers here in LB have made grossly exaggerated claims about their record of performance in their fund drive letter in the past. I took them to task over it. I'm doing the same thing here. If these boasts are accurate, then prove it, thats all I'm saying. Is the #1 designation something arbitrarily awarded by some volunteer peer organization, or is it statiscally based. I'm just looking for a little truth here. Truth, however does'nt seem to be the volunteers strong suit.

[GEEZ]

LB is not the busiest by a long shot. In definind the busiest dept, you look at the numbers, not at what type of response there is. Get your facts straight before opening your big mouth, after all isn't that what got you fired to begin with. There are many depts busier than LB. No matter how much you try to make your former employer look good to others, they will not take you back.

[ltjag]

Does anybody have the run totals for the Island? All I've seen here is claims that there are departments that are busier than Long Beach. If anyone can show it, than please do. It won't be the first time I've been wrong.

[LI VOLLIE]

Shut up already you has been fired loser.

[Busiest Fire]

Brentwood Fire - averages 1500 alarms Brentwood Amb - averages 5000 - 6000 alarms Central Islip Amb - averages 5000+ C I Fire - approx. 1000 alarms Just a couple, anyone else!

[vollies]

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[Frank Rizzo]

You know all this talk on here about Long Beach this and long beach that... I believe Long Beach had some where around 4500 alarms last year.. That number includes EMS runs. Take those EMS runs away and that 4500 goes down quite a lot. You know all this crap about who is the busiest dept is just that crap.. Ok so long beach went to 4500runs last year How many were jobs? 15? Take Brentwood FD for Example 1500 runs ( no ems ) and how many jobs? 30 ? What about Roosevelt? Last year they had like 900runs and some where around 20 jobs. I hate to say it but I would rather go to more JOBS that to all the same BS automatic alarms.. Lets face it also the more JOBS a department goes to; Ever notice there is a lot less cry-babying and less back stabbing with their members... Now I am an Ex-captain of a busy Nassau County FD (1500 runs last year and 12 jobs) I have been a member for 15 years I have no intention of wanting to transfer from my Dept so lets not go there.. And yes I get up for all the BS alarms. Have to cause you never know when your gonna get redirected to a working fire... Be safe and stay low...

[jimmy]

Where is Long Beach?
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[KMedic]

I am tired of hearing South Country blow their own horn. You are not a volunteer ambulance company, right..???
Don't your members get paid to go on calls. And don't give me that bs about being ousemen, that are released to answer calls. You are paid. And if what I heard about how much MIgflino makes is even close, that is a disgrace. He should be in jail, but not surprising he sang like a canary to save his hide.

[YUP]

uhhuh

[I]

care

[Mikecp421]

bump

bump

[Lets go paid]

Lets go paid

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[guest5]

:lol:

[olk]

:lol:

[Nothing is beneath him]

Suozzi is capable of anything. He just gave 9 Nassau County Parks (including Hempstead Harbor) to the Town of North Hempstead so now that's 9 less parks the taxpayers have to use, unless you live in the North Shore. He gave Charles Wang 77 acreas of land. What makes you people think you're safe?

[Wippy]

Paid, not paid seems like the only people who say paid are the people who would never pass the test to get the job.

I guess if all the fire departments join together then there will be less 24's. :lol: Think about it if every department joined together, just one big long island fire department then that would solve the 24 problems. Unless we start 24ing to the City or accross the water. Hmmm :oops:

monkey

[JimmyMac1730]

Consolidating fire companies or givin fire companies the areas that they should be protectin is a good idea. Take for example North Lindy in the Town of Babylon. North Lindy protects part of North Amityville that should be givin to North Amityville. We could throw a stone from our firehouse and hit a house that No Lindy protects. And Lindys 39th Street fire house is close to No Lindys firehouse. I think Steve Bellone should split up No Lindy and give part the No Amityville and part to Lindy. But unless the vilage of No Amityville is created this wont not happen.

[Wheres my BS card]

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